The Resource For Musicals



Sweeney Todd Forum


Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 
The Judge's "Johanna" 

Should the Judge's "Johanna" be included in SWEENEY TODD?
Yes, it should be kept. 95%  95%  [ 21 ]
No, it should be cut. 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 22

The Judge's "Johanna" 
Author Message
Broadway Legend / MdN Veteran
Broadway Legend / MdN Veteran
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 14, 2003 8:33 am
Posts: 3056
Location: Musical Cyberspace
Current Obsession: Musicals!
Post The Judge's "Johanna"
I think most of us know that the Judge has a musical introduction that was cut from the original production: the song, "Johanna". This was done to lift a spot in the first act where the show dragged., although the song was included on the recording. Stephen Sondheim gave permission for the song to be restored in the New York City Opera production, where he felt that the show 'no longer sagged' and 'had mysteriously found its shape' (cf. p. 350 in Finishing the Hat).

So what do you think? Does the number belong in the show or not? Why do you feel the way you do?

_________________
Image
VISIT MUSICAL CYBERSPACE: A TRIBUTE TO THE MUSICALS OF BROADWAY AND BEYOND.


Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:25 am
Profile WWW
Broadway Legend
Broadway Legend
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:55 am
Posts: 1957
Location: Norway
Post Re: The Judge's "Johanna"
I think it should be kept, because I think it's a very athmospheric song that adds mood to the show and colour to the caracter. It's delishiously creepy and is sort of perversely beautiful.

_________________
Image

Formerly known as Dvarg

\"Hans usually knows his shitt when it comes to theatre.\" - Salome

\"You all are f***ing crazy, except Hans, who is actually quite smart\" - Jennyanydots


Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:19 am
Profile
Broadway Legend / MdN Veteran
Broadway Legend / MdN Veteran
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:44 pm
Posts: 2758
Location: North Carolina
Current Obsession: Shaw
Main Role: Performer
Post Re: The Judge's "Johanna"
I agree with Hans and his reasoning, but would also add that it creates a trio with "Sweeney's Johanna (Quartet)" and "Johanna" (this one being Anthony's, of course). This three songs together show the many sides and forms of love, exploring what a complicated emotion it truly is.

_________________
Image


Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:54 pm
Profile WWW
Young Hoofer
Young Hoofer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:45 pm
Posts: 23
Location: Kanagawa
Current Obsession: A John Doyle version of Floyd Collins
Main Role: Fan
Post Re: The Judge's "Johanna"
While I think that his song is wonderful in its own right, the sad fact of the matter is that it was cut for a reason. No one wants to watch a man whip himself into an orgasm while peeping on a teenager.

_________________
Only Heaven Knows How Glory Goes


Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:09 pm
Profile
Broadway Legend / MdN Veteran
Broadway Legend / MdN Veteran
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:21 pm
Posts: 2570
Location: California
Post Re: The Judge's "Johanna"
It's a matter of the director's discretion. If the guy cast as the Judge can handle it and it doesn't drag the pacing of the show, keep it in. If it does drag or the guy playing the judge isn't up to it, then cut it.


Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:35 pm
Profile
Broadway Legend
Broadway Legend

Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:21 pm
Posts: 1146
Location: Norway
Main Role: Performer
Post Re: The Judge's "Johanna"
An actor should always be up to a challenge, especially if it's physically possible. Any actor playing the Judge is at least vocally able to sing the song, so there is no reason not to include it. Except for reasons of length.

I think the song has a place in the musical and that it gives the show a new aspect of love as ActingDude17 said.

_________________
I never use smilies. So do not mistake me for being rude for not returning a wink or a smile.


Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:19 am
Profile
Young Hoofer
Young Hoofer

Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:13 pm
Posts: 47
Location: Britain
Current Obsession: EPONINE!!!
Main Role: Performer
Post Re: The Judge's "Johanna"
I believe the song is sinister perfection in musical form and it is one of my four favorite Sweeney songs. It should ALWAYS be kept, as should the dialogue between Turpin and Johanna that comes directly after it, for it shows the complexity of their twisted and dysfunctional relationship. I was sad to see both roles reduced in the movie.


Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:02 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 7 posts ] 



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.