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Is Gypsy really "absolutely perfect?" 
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I've heard people say that there are absolutely no flaws in Gypsy, whatsoever. I'm not sure I'd say this is completely true.

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the fact Momma's Talking Soft was never returned to the show. I love hearing it counterpoint to Some People.


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I don't think anything can be *completely* perfect , I'm sure if you ask Sondheim he'd at least have some criticism of his work. (Not sure how critical other collaborators are towards their own work).


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I also think that Mr. Goldstone is an uncharacteristic fluff number in the show, especially when Goldstone himself is literally a human prop, who says and does nothing.

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Monsieur D'Arque wrote:
I also think that Mr. Goldstone is an uncharacteristic fluff number in the show, especially when Goldstone himself is literally a human prop, who says and does nothing.


However, the actor that is him, can act through the physicalization and could be double cast.

I loved that scene in my school's version of it.

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The fact "Momma's Talking Soft" was never returned to the show. I love hearing it counterpoint to "Some People".

It's a counterpoint to "Small World" and, although done out of necessity, cutting "Momma's Talking Soft" was one of the best things that could happen to the show and should never be reinstated. The tone of the piece doesn't work for the scene, even if the idea does.

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RainbowJude wrote:
ConverseSneaker wrote:
The fact "Momma's Talking Soft" was never returned to the show. I love hearing it counterpoint to "Some People".

It's a counterpoint to "Small World" and, although done out of necessity, cutting "Momma's Talking Soft" was one of the best things that could happen to the show and should never be reinstated. The tone of the piece doesn't work for the scene, even if the idea does.

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I always mix those two songs up. Like I mix up math and science.


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Admittedly, it is the only cast recording where I don't skip any of the songs. It has one of theatre's most memorable scores in that regard. Most of its songs have gone on to become standards.

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The only truely perfect musical I've known is My Fair lady.

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Gypsy is the only show that I consider perfect. Above all, I think it was brilliantly written. It's book, in fact, is the strongest aspect, I think. Every line is essential, every song is in the right spot. The music and lyrics are exceptional. The characters are very well-developed. It's funny, sad, etc. Not to mention, the current production with these performance by Patti, Boyd, Laura and the rest of the cast make it even better.


Even other shows I love... there's always one boring song/scene and flaws. But there's absolutely nothing I would change about it.

A lot of people consider Gypsy a "perfect" show (and My Fair Lady as well, now that it has been mentioned too)


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My Fair Lady isn't perfect. Lerner makes at least a couple of fluffs that might be forgivable if they weren't coming from the mouth of Higgins: 'hung' instead of 'hanged' in "Why Can't the English?" and the reference to a "bathtub overflowing" with its dangling participle, for example.

Even elsewhere, we have Freddie singing "on the street where you live" when a British person of Freddie's class in that period would have said "in the street where you live". Yes, he's literally on the street, but that's not how English works idiomatically. Now, Freddie's not a linguist like Higgins, but isn't the a major theme of the show how language reflects class?

A mistake like that might not count much in something like, say, Carousel - but in My Fair Lady it's enough to keep the show at least a shade shy of being perfect.

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Thats nit picking. I know Rex pointed all that out to Alan in rehearsals too.

but I mean perfect as to structure, emotioanl impoct, everything being there for a reason. not a handful of minor cultural deferences.

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