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Author:  random_person [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:10 am ]
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aworthyboyishe wrote:
random_person wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
random_person wrote:
Angel-of-Music* wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Oh, and if Kristen Stewart (that girl from Twilight) comes anywhere near the Wicked movie, I may have to eat a baby.
just saying.

Word.

I hate her with a passion. She killed Twilight, she's not taking any musical down with it.

Surely to say she 'killed Twilight' would imply that the source material was a great piece of literature to begin with...?



Well, Stephanie Meyer has said it was just soppy romance herself. She never intended it to be a great piece of literature.

It serves its purpose, fulfilling lonely high school age girl's fantasies about the perfect man.
XD


...a high school girl's image of a 'perfect man' is an emotionally-abusive, one-dimensional 'pretty boy' who's a pathetic excuse for a vampire and only exists to fulfil the wishful fantasies of his sexually-repressed hack of a creator?

Wow, no wonder I never scored a date in my school days. :P

kozafluitmusique wrote:
I find Edward far from perfect. He's a stalker :P


You ever found it odd how Edward’s mentality is more akin to a deranged stalker than an ideal significant other for Bella, yet is presented by Meyer as nothing short of the perfect gentleman and the relationship between the two characters as unquestionable ‘true love’?

I mean, I don’t have problem with abuse being portrayed in literature, but when the true nature of the relationship it is never addressed or otherwise made unmistakeably obvious to the reader, I can't help but find it somewhat unnerving, especially when the masses of impressionable girls that worship this character seem blissfully unaware of the implications of what they are reading and sometimes even consider Edward to be the bar to which their current or potential boyfriends should be compared.




I mean, come on, who doesn't watch their significant other while they sleep?

...............nobody?

Well this is 6 kinds of awkward.

Sorry if about my lapse in memory, but did Edward start watching Bella sleep before or after they were 'officially' a couple...?

That being said, even if he was actually her boyfriend by that point, if I found out my significant other had been breaking and entering into my house to watch me while I slept, I'd be thinking more along the lines of 'restraining order' than 'Awwwww, how sweet'...

Which reminds me :P : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwM3GvaTRM

Author:  aworthyboyishe [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:10 am ]
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Xxmcfly85xX wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Oh, and if Kristen Stewart (that girl from Twilight) comes anywhere near the Wicked movie, I may have to eat a baby.
just saying.


BAHAHA, I very much agree with that statement.

Think of the babies people! :P




or we could just cut out the middle man and eat Kristen Stewart.

not that I'm condoning cannabalism......

much.

EDIT: Its before they start dating.
And I just lolled at that video.
People in the computer lab are starting to stare.
XD

Author:  Angel-of-Music* [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:15 am ]
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random_person wrote:
Angel-of-Music* wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Oh, and if Kristen Stewart (that girl from Twilight) comes anywhere near the Wicked movie, I may have to eat a baby.
just saying.

Word.

I hate her with a passion. She killed Twilight, she's not taking any musical down with it.

Surely to say she 'killed Twilight' would imply that the source material was a great piece of literature to begin with...?


No, It isn't, but I find it an enjoyable read which is something I can't say is true about many great pieces of literature. So let's not twilight bash :lol:

Author:  Xxmcfly85xX [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:19 am ]
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aworthyboyishe wrote:
Xxmcfly85xX wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Oh, and if Kristen Stewart (that girl from Twilight) comes anywhere near the Wicked movie, I may have to eat a baby.
just saying.


BAHAHA, I very much agree with that statement.

Think of the babies people! :P




or we could just cut out the middle man and eat Kristen Stewart.

not that I'm condoning cannabalism......

much.



I like this line of thinking. It isn't really cannabalism if you only eat oooonnnee is it?

Author:  Angel-of-Music* [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:23 am ]
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Xxmcfly85xX wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Xxmcfly85xX wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Oh, and if Kristen Stewart (that girl from Twilight) comes anywhere near the Wicked movie, I may have to eat a baby.
just saying.


BAHAHA, I very much agree with that statement.

Think of the babies people! :P




or we could just cut out the middle man and eat Kristen Stewart.

not that I'm condoning cannabalism......

much.



I like this line of thinking. It isn't really cannabalism if you only eat oooonnnee is it?


and not if she fully deserves it... :lol:

Author:  aworthyboyishe [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:27 am ]
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gCCVRzAptFA/Se1KyEY9oFI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/mpdk1u6ERD8/s320/kristen-stewart-smoking-pot-photos-1.jpg

its official. she deserves it.

-pulls out knife and fork. -

Author:  Xxmcfly85xX [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:29 am ]
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^... Should make for some interesting flavours.

Author:  aworthyboyishe [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:30 am ]
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Xxmcfly85xX wrote:
^... Should make for some interesting flavours.


I like the way you think.
XD

Author:  random_person [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:34 am ]
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Angel-of-Music* wrote:
random_person wrote:
Angel-of-Music* wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Oh, and if Kristen Stewart (that girl from Twilight) comes anywhere near the Wicked movie, I may have to eat a baby.
just saying.

Word.

I hate her with a passion. She killed Twilight, she's not taking any musical down with it.

Surely to say she 'killed Twilight' would imply that the source material was a great piece of literature to begin with...?


No, It isn't, but I find it an enjoyable read which is something I can't say is true about many great pieces of literature. So let's not twilight bash :lol:

As you are no doubt aware, how much one 'likes' has little bearing on it's quality. I make my assessments from objectivity, not personal feelings. I may have my 'guilty pleasures' as everyone else has, but I would not defend them if they come under valid criticism nor treat them as though they were worth more than they actually are. If anything, when enough criticism is put their way that I can recognise as on-point, I tend to put said guilty pleasures aside and move on to something else rather than argue in favour of something that has been proven to be valueless. Simple logic.

My sentiments towards Twilight do not simply arise from it being a terrible series, both in standard of writing and creativity, but the fact that it does not deserve the immense popularity it has and Smeyer has made millions out of something that has is on the same artistic level as a mediocre piece of fanfiction I could find on the internet, where on the other hand many authors who have written books filled with innovative use of language and never-before-seen concepts get less attention and reward for their efforts. In other words, it's as much about morals than it is about me being a critic; about what is fair and what isn't. You could call this the fatal flaw in my personality - I think too much about humanity as a whole and feel genuine concern when I witness things that make me realise just how primitive we truly are.

Author:  aworthyboyishe [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:38 am ]
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random_person wrote:

My sentiments towards Twilight do not simply arise from it being a terrible series, both in standard of writing and creativity, but the fact that it does not deserve the immense popularity it has and Smeyer has made millions out of something that has is on the same artistic level as a mediocre piece of fanfiction I could find on the internet, where on the other hand many authors who have written books filled with innovative use of language and never-before-seen concepts get less attention and reward for their efforts..


Don't you hate it when people compare Twilight to things like LOTR or Harry Potter? They try and place Smeyer in a place next to the likes of Tolkien and Rowling and CS Lewis. Like you said, its the same quality as your average fanfic.

Author:  random_person [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:46 am ]
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aworthyboyishe wrote:
random_person wrote:

My sentiments towards Twilight do not simply arise from it being a terrible series, both in standard of writing and creativity, but the fact that it does not deserve the immense popularity it has and Smeyer has made millions out of something that has is on the same artistic level as a mediocre piece of fanfiction I could find on the internet, where on the other hand many authors who have written books filled with innovative use of language and never-before-seen concepts get less attention and reward for their efforts..


Don't you hate it when people compare Twilight to things like LOTR or Harry Potter? They try and place Smeyer in a place next to the likes of Tolkien and Rowling and CS Lewis. Like you said, its the same quality as your average fanfic.

You know, I personally think we would care a lot less about Twilight if it had simply never taken off. I mean, the thing that makes us critics headdesk so much has more to do with the fangirls' unrealistic perceptions of the book and how they continue to pump an endless stream of cash onto Smeyer's pocket than the glaring flaws in the writing itself.

Why couldn't she have got what she deserved and just sold 5 copies or so out the back of her car (which would promptly get binned soon after the buyers started reading)? Then I wouldn't have all these teenage girls putting books from the series in their Top Ten lists and insisting they're better than what I'm currently reading (which is 'Paradise Lost' of all things :P ).

Wait...I just remembered the other big factor in people's disdain for the series. The counterarguments said fangirls make when we challenge their views...*ugh* you know the sort I mean.

Author:  Angel-of-Music* [ Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:53 am ]
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random_person wrote:
Angel-of-Music* wrote:
random_person wrote:
Angel-of-Music* wrote:
aworthyboyishe wrote:
Oh, and if Kristen Stewart (that girl from Twilight) comes anywhere near the Wicked movie, I may have to eat a baby.
just saying.

Word.

I hate her with a passion. She killed Twilight, she's not taking any musical down with it.

Surely to say she 'killed Twilight' would imply that the source material was a great piece of literature to begin with...?


No, It isn't, but I find it an enjoyable read which is something I can't say is true about many great pieces of literature. So let's not twilight bash :lol:

As you are no doubt aware, how much one 'likes' has little bearing on it's quality. I make my assessments from objectivity, not personal feelings. I may have my 'guilty pleasures' as everyone else has, but I would not defend them if they come under valid criticism nor treat them as though they were worth more than they actually are. If anything, when enough criticism is put their way that I can recognise as on-point, I tend to put said guilty pleasures aside and move on to something else rather than argue in favour of something that has been proven to be valueless. Simple logic.

My sentiments towards Twilight do not simply arise from it being a terrible series, both in standard of writing and creativity, but the fact that it does not deserve the immense popularity it has and Smeyer has made millions out of something that has is on the same artistic level as a mediocre piece of fanfiction I could find on the internet, where on the other hand many authors who have written books filled with innovative use of language and never-before-seen concepts get less attention and reward for their efforts. In other words, it's as much about morals than it is about me being a critic; about what is fair and what isn't. You could call this the fatal flaw in my personality - I think too much about humanity as a whole and feel genuine concern when I witness things that make me realise just how primitive we truly are.


Yes, I'm very aware me liking it does not make it a work of art or any more deserving of praise. But I asses things in a very different way to you, if i like it then I like it and that, to me, is that. I don't see a need to look at a piece logically to decide whether I should class it as something that is worth my while to argue in favour of. I wouldn't really call it a guilty pleasure either, I'm not ashamed to say I both like the twilight series and Stephanie Meyer as a writer in general (I'm reading the host at the minute too, and that is also an enjoyable read) and I think it would be a bit weak of me to say otherwise or move on to something else just because people tell me it isn't the most original concept or the most challenging of reads.

And as to whether it deserves the praise, that can be looked at from different angles, if so many people find it a good book regardless of the flaws it has then surely it's doing something right and should be recognised as such, the same could be said of the Harry Potter series. Both appeal to a lot of people, which makes them more accessable to the general public which a lot of unquestionably better pieces of writing fail to acheive.

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