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Author:  Apples2for10 [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:15 am ]
Post subject:  Best/Worst by show

I thought this was a neat idea for a thread: break down Rodgers' best and worst melodies and Hammerstein's best and worst lyrics by show. you don't have to feel obligated to do every show; just the ones you're familair enough with. For example, I'm only doing the Big Five. Here's my list:

OKLAHOMA!

Best Melody- Many a New Day
Best Lyrics- It's a Scandal!
Worst Melody- People Will Say
Worst Lyrics- Oklahoma!

CAROUSEL

Best Melody- If I Loved You
Best Lyrics- June is Bustin' Out All Over
Worst Melody- You'll Never Walk Alone
Worst Lyrics- A Real Nice Clambake

SOUTH PACIFIC

Best Melody- Bali H'ai
Best Lyrics- A Wonderful Guy
Worst Melody- This Nearly Was Mine
Worst Lyrics- Bloody Mary

KING AND I

Best Melody- Shall We Dance
Best Lyrics- Shall I Tell You What I Think of You
Worst Melody- I Have Dreamed
Worst Lyrics- Getting to Know You

SOUND OF MUSIC

Best Melody- No Way To Stop It
Best Lyrics- Sixteen Going on Seventeen
Worst Melody- Something Good
Worst Lyrics- Edelweiss

Author:  SomeoneLikeYou [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best/Worst by show

Apples2for10 wrote:
Worst Melody- People Will Say
Worst Melody- You'll Never Walk Alone
Worst Melody- This Nearly Was Mine


These make me sad. Will you elaborate on why you do not like these melodies? Do you like their lyrics?

Author:  Apples2for10 [ Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best/Worst by show

SomeoneLikeYou wrote:
Apples2for10 wrote:
Worst Melody- People Will Say
Worst Melody- You'll Never Walk Alone
Worst Melody- This Nearly Was Mine


These make me sad. Will you elaborate on why you do not like these melodies? Do you like their lyrics?


They were tough calls to make. I actually like the lyrics for all three, and I do like People Will Say's melody quite a lot, but sadly one song from each show had to be named Worst Melody.

This Nearly Was Mine is a great song for that moment in the show (which is a relatively somber moment), and while it works for that moment, it plays like a dirge and I don't like songs that are this slow. Also (and this is the same reason I have for picking I Have Dreamed), the melody makes the singer sound whiny.

This is probably a fault of my own, but I always compare You'll Never Walk Alone with Climb Every Mountain. I like them both, but I lean towards CEM because its climax is more satisfying than 'Walk'.

Author:  Apples2for10 [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:24 pm ]
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Bump

Author:  Hans [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best/Worst by show

Apples2for10 wrote:
Worst Melody- This Nearly Was Mine


I also think this is incredible.

Author:  Apples2for10 [ Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:23 pm ]
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My hope for this thread was that people would post their own lists instead of coming down on my choices.

Author:  Hans [ Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:04 pm ]
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Apples2for10 wrote:
My hope for this thread was that people would post their own lists instead of coming down on my choices.


Sorry, good point. I'll try to come up with something.

Author:  Disney-Bway27 [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:21 am ]
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OKLAHOMA!
Best Melody: Oh What a Beautiful Mornin' (I'm a sucker for it)
Best Lyrics: People Will Say We're in Love
Worst Melody: The Farmer and the Cowman
Worst Lyrics: The Farmer and the Cowman (I'm not fond of the song, it seems)

CAROUSEL
Best Melody: Carousel Waltz (does this count? If not, What's the Use of Wond'rin')
Best Lyrics: If I Loved You
Worst Melody: Stonecutters Cut It On Stone
Worst Lyrics: Blow High, Blow Low
This one was tough--musically, Carousel's about as perfect as they come.

SOUTH PACIFIC
Best Melody: Younger Than Springtime (My knees go weak at the orchestral buildup)
Best Lyrics: This Nearly Was Mine
Worst Melody: Twin Soliloquies (it's very nice, but it's far less imaginative than Rodgers' other contributions to the score)
Worst Lyrics: Bloody Mary (they're not bad, per se, but the references have dated themselves--DiMaggio's glove anyone? Haha.)

THE KING AND I
Best Melody: March of the Siamese Children
Best Lyrics: Something Wonderful
Worst Melody: A Puzzlement (I get that a song like this doesn't need a memorable melody though--it's like Soliloquy)
Worst Lyrics: Getting To Know You

THE SOUND OF MUSIC
Best Melody: Edelweiss
Best Lyrics: Sixteen Going on Seventeen
Worst Melody: Climb Every Mountain
Worst Lyrics: The Sound of Music ("A lark that is learning to pray"? Come on, Oscar!)

Author:  Michelle616 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:28 pm ]
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OKLAHOMA!
Best Melody: Oh What a Beautiful Mornin'
Best Lyrics: Surrey With a Fringe on Top
Worst Melody: ...can't do it
Worst Lyrics: ...can't do it

CAROUSEL
Best Melody: If I Loved You
Best Lyrics: Mr. Snow
Worst Melody: Soliloquy
Worst Lyrics: A Real Nice Clambake

SOUTH PACIFIC
Best Melody: Some Enchanted Evening
Best Lyrics: Younger Than Springtime
Worst Melody: Happy Talk
Worst Lyrics: I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Outta My Hair (still love it)

SOUND OF MUSIC:
Best Melody: The Sound of Music
Best Lyrics: Do-Re-Mi (has to be mentioned)
Worst Melody: ...can't
Worst Lyrics: So Long, Farewell

Author:  rcs [ Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best/Worst by show

OKLAHOMA!

Best Melody: People Will Say We're in Love
Best Lyrics: Surrey With the Fringe on Top
Worst Melody: It's a Scandal! It's a Outrage!
Worst Lyrics: Pore Jud Is Daid

CAROUSEL

Best Melody: If I Loved You
Best Lyrics: Soliloquy
Worst Melody: The Highest Judge of All
Worst Lyrics: A Real Nice Clambake

ALLEGRO

Best Melody: A Fellow Needs a Girl
Best Lyrics: Money Isn't Everything
Worst Melody: A Darn Nice Campus
Worst Lyrics: Yatata

SOUTH PACIFIC

Best Melody: Some Enchanted Evening
Best Lyrics: A Wonderful Guy
Worst Melody: I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Outa My Hair
Worst Lyrics: Bloody Mary

THE KING AND I

Best Melody: I Have Dreamed
Best Lyrics: Shall I Tell You What I Think of You?
Worst Melody: A Puzzlement
Worst Lyrics: Western People Funny

ME AND JULIET

Best Melody: No Other Love
Best Lyrics: It's Me
Worst Melody: The Big Black Giant
Worst Lyrics: I'm Your Girl

PIPE DREAM

Best Melody: All at Once You Love Her
Best Lyrics: The Man I Used to Be
Worst Melody: The Tide Pool
Worst Lyrics: Will You Marry Me?

FLOWER DRUM SONG

Best Melody: Love, Look Away
Best Lyrics: I Enjoy Being a Girl
Worst Melody: The Other Generation
Worst Lyrics: Gliding Through my Memoree

THE SOUND OF MUSIC

Best Melody: The Sound of Music
Best Lyrics: How Can Love Survive?
Worst Melody: So Long, Farewell
Worst Lyrics: The Lonely Goatherd

Author:  High-baritonne [ Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re:

Michelle616 wrote:
Best Lyrics: Do-Re-Mi (has to be mentioned)


I am baffled! Do-Re-Mi is lazy. If one is to use 2 of the variations on the French names of the notes, one should use all. It is even worse that because of the popularity of Do-Re-Mi most people think the proper name for B is Ti and not Si.

Author:  Monsieur D'Arque [ Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Best/Worst by show

I disagree. The concept of borrowed linguistics states that if a language or culture does not have a specific word or phrase for a concept which exists in another language, it is common to borrow words or phrases from other countries until a word arises in the natural language instead.

By this standard, there was no "official" English do-re-mi notation, so the words for the notes were borrowed, some from French, some not from French. They're not trying to bastardize the French notations, they're just standardizing (or using an already fairly standardized) American notation-teaching system. It's like getting mad when someone orders "apple pie a la mode" because they didn't order the apple pie in French too. Just borrowed linguistics.

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