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is jesus christ superstar/ joseph blasphemous? 
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Post is jesus christ superstar/ joseph blasphemous?
i want to tell one of my best friend's moms about these musicals but she is a super christian.

are these musicals blasphemous?

or do they portray joseph and jesus in a good light?

like are these musicals similar to the bible?

i havent listened to either soundtrack but ordered it via the mail and gonna get it in a week.

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1st thing: Just a fair warning, if you refer to them as soundtracks, some people might eat you. :) The correct term is technically "cast recording."
2nd: I wouldn't say they're blasphemous. If you were gonna tell her about any Christian themed musical, I'd go with Godspell, though. Joseph and JCS are both super extreme. Like, Judas(?) gets chased by tanks in JCS. 8O

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JCS might be a problem one, or it might not. I'm no expert on it (I haven't seen it since the remake DVD was released), but here are some quotes from a discussion on the "Evita" forum involving it.


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The audience is supoosed to ask the question like "was Jesus the Son of God or not?" JCS is supposed to be thought-provoking and piss people off.



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A lot has been said to the tune of "JCS presents Jesus as having been just a man, no more." Actually, I think one could say the opposite as well. The beauty of the show is that no matter who you are or what your beliefs are, you'll be able to see both sides in the show, and come away feeling that you wouldn't have any objection to what you just saw. Nothing in it, other than the personal beliefs of individual characters, points one way or the other.



"Joseph" shouldn't be problematic, though. It's irreverent in a fun way (e.g. the Pharaoh as Elvis), but it generally follows the Bible story and shows Joseph in a perfectly good light. The only two problems with it might be A) it includes hardly any references to God; the message emphasized is more "believe in your dreams" than anything religious, and B) the scene where Potiphar's wife tries to seduce Joseph can get a little risque, depending on the production.


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I can vouch that one of my very religious friends likes Joseph. Although she's not too keen on the idea of Superstar, she doesn't consider it blasphemous.


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Joseph is just harmless fun for children so I wouldn't worry about that one.

JCS isn't really blasphemous but it is certainly disrespectful. I mean that in a good way: it challenges attitudes to the accepted version of Christ's life and draws attention to some of its contradictory elements. For example, why are Judas and Pilate so reviled, for if they hadn't betrayed Jesus and crucified him, the resurrection (a key part of the faith) wouldn't have happened.

Also, the show removes almost every indication that Jesus was the Son of God. It shows that he and others believed he was, and doesn't do anything to contradict this, but doesn't support it either. Hence there are no miracles and no resurrection on stage - the audience is left to make up its own mind as to whether they really happened. Not blasphemous but not very pro-Christian either.

Also, the title deliberately draws the comparison between Christ and a 20th century rock "superstar", a comparison that is sustained throughout the show. This is not blasphemous per se except by implication - it implies that the religious fervour felt by Christians is nothing more than the hysteria of screaming fans at a Beatles concert.

Finally, there's the whole irreverant attitude, as shown by the 1970s slang constantly used in the lyrics, which suggests that Tim Rice does not feel the need to treat the subject of Christ's life with all that much respect.

So it's not directly blasphemous but it does challenge people's ideas of Christianity. To my mind, that's why it's a great show. But to committed Christians, I can see why it could be offensive.

(Although it's nothing compared to Jerry Springer the Opera.)

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One of the main problems with JCS is that it contains a crucifixion, but no resurrection, which is a bit problematic for us Christians, since the resurrection is the basis of our beliefs. However, there's some good stuff in there and I like JCS for what it is.

I much prefer Godspell though...and Joseph is a hoot and originally written to be a gradeschool musical. It shouldn't offend anyone.

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Robinflamingo wrote:
One of the main problems with JCS is that it contains a crucifixion, but no resurrection, which is a bit problematic for us Christians, since the resurrection is the basis of our beliefs.


With all due respect, I think the absence of the resurrection is what makes JCS so great. Not showing it does not mean it doesn't mean it doesn't take place. Rather it leaves the ending open for interpretation.

jackrussell wrote:
It challenges attitudes to the accepted version of Christ's life and draws attention to some of its contradictory elements.


IMO, that's the opposite of disrepectful.

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Dvarg wrote:
jackrussell wrote:
It challenges attitudes to the accepted version of Christ's life and draws attention to some of its contradictory elements.


IMO, that's the opposite of disrepectful.


Mine too, but not in the opinion of Billy Graham and many Christians of a similar persuasion...

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JCS is what it is, one of the good shows that ALW has written. You can't change the show. The show is not blasphemous or disrespectful. It is our own job to make sure we don't get offended by things like JCS. I you get offended by that, you need to experience some serious problems.


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Dvarg wrote:
Robinflamingo wrote:
One of the main problems with JCS is that it contains a crucifixion, but no resurrection, which is a bit problematic for us Christians, since the resurrection is the basis of our beliefs.


With all due respect, I think the absence of the resurrection is what makes JCS so great. Not showing it does not mean it doesn't mean it doesn't take place. Rather it leaves the ending open for interpretation.

jackrussell wrote:
It challenges attitudes to the accepted version of Christ's life and draws attention to some of its contradictory elements.


IMO, that's the opposite of disrepectful.


I was just saying what was usually problematic with the show (especially for evangelicals and pentecostals) because I've had that experience. I ALMOST wasn't allowed to direct Godspell at my school because it didn't have something CLEARLY marked "RESURRECTION".

You can disagree, but I was trying to answer his question about the point of view of a "super Christian."

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I have a somewhat sensitive friend who objects to Joseph on the grounds that it contains no references to God...

But the thing I don't get about Godspell is that, well... the composer is Jewish, so it's dubious whether he really believes in the subject matter...


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Robinflamingo wrote:
You can disagree, but I was trying to answer his question about the point of view of a "super Christian."


I think ther's a difference between that something can " objectively" be labeled blasphemous and that something "subjectively" can offen someone.

I can see that people can be offended by JCS, but not that it actually is blasphemous.

Calling Joseph blasphemous is just incredibly silly.

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