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Musicals that actually exceed their source material 
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Popularity is a legitimate means to examine quality.


Do you mean that if something is popular, it means that's a good reason to check closer and explore which qualities the thing may have? In that case, I do agree.

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It’s just that the experts you look to are just jaded with the familiar and want the new. Of course, those experts might all be thinking somewhat the same way as they are moving through the same academic and critical circles and embracing what they already study. A form of popularity, but they wouldn’t dare call it that.


I don't understand what you are saying here - are really people in academic circles in particular much concerned about being condescending towards popular musical theatre?

I can't claim I have the total overview on academic circles. But I know quite a lot of academics who study music, and quite a lot of non academic people. In general, it is more the non academical people who are critical of musical theatre as a whole because it isn't cool enough.

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sorry..totally wrong.. Monty Python and the Holy Grail is miles ahead of "Spamalot". the film is a classic comedy..much funnier.

'Spamalot" is fun I enjoy it alot.but its nowhere near the quality of the original film.


Well not wrong, just a different opinion. I've always found Monty Python to be quite hit and miss. Seeing Spamalot first was probably a factor as well

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Monty Python were never hit or miss..they are true geniuses of the comedic art form..in the same class as The Marx Brothers,Burns and Allen,The Goons,Peter Sellers, Jack Benny and George Carlin.

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Agree on Little Shop of Horrors. The original movie was unwatchable garbage.


This seems a rather harsh statement. In what way is the film "unwatchable garbage", exactly?


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I'll also say that Pal Joey is way better than its source material. The novel is mildly interesting..... the show sizzles and sears.


On that subject, does anyone think that This Side of Paradise could make a good musical? I just finished reading it the other day and I was thinking, I'd love to see a version done by Adam Guettel....

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On that subject, does anyone think that This Side of Paradise could make a good musical? I just finished reading it the other day and I was thinking, I'd love to see a version written by Adam Guettel, with Tom Sturridge as Amory and Kate Baldwin as Rosalind....


In terms of F. Scott Fitzgerald, I'd much rather see a stage adapt of Tender is the Night.

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Tender Is the Night, I can see better as a play. But I think a musical treatment is ideal for This Side of Paradise. It's the kind of story that I could imagine Rodgers & Hart or a young Sondheim being drawn to..... Guettel has a delicate lyricism and aching tenderness, not to mention tart wit, that I think would be perfect for a Fitzgerald adaptation.

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Sweeney Todd is the first thing that came to mind -- though I wasn't thinking of the 1970s stage play, but the original Penny Dreadfuls. True in either case.

While I think Corman did SOMETHING with the original Little Shop of Horrors movie, it was a sort of guerilla film kind of thing -- shot in a week, with reused set, reused music, almost zero production cost... you have to factor all that in in order to positively evaluate it. As a film, solely on the film's merits, it's, not surprisingly, got huge gaping flaws. The musical is a kind of campy send-up, but it does what it does very well, on its own merits.

As for Spamalot/Grail ... Gotta say I disagree with you, Ben. Python were true groundbreakers in their field, and while I love almost everything they've done, I have to admit, it took a fair amount of time becoming familiar with hte cultural references of '70s British comedy to fully appreciate a lot of their stuff. With the background attained, I find very, very little in Holy Grail that misses -- I have it on a very short list of best movie comedy ever.
But as you say, just a difference of opinion. Last time *I* tried to tell someone they were wrong for having a particular opinion, I got called a very nasty name.

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Y'know, it's funny, I didn't like Holy Grail that much. I liked Life of Brian a lot more, probably because it hadn't been quoted to death.


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I love Holy Grail but I do agree..Life of Brian is easily Python's masterpiece.

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Biggus Dickus!

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