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Plus, the British pronunciation is such that the rhyme works.

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Plus, the British pronunciation is such that the rhyme works.


But if you're American and try to pronounce it as a Brit, it sounds forced.

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Brother Marvin Hinten, S. wrote:
Plus, the British pronunciation is such that the rhyme works.


But if you're American and try to pronounce it as a Brit, it sounds forced.

But then surely it isn't a bad rhyme? It was simply written with a different accent of English in mind. I as a Brit certainly don't consider couplets written by Americans which rhyme in an American accent, but not my own, to be bad.

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Brother Marvin Hinten, S. wrote:
Plus, the British pronunciation is such that the rhyme works.


But if you're American and try to pronounce it as a Brit, it sounds forced.

But then surely it isn't a bad rhyme? It was simply written with a different accent of English in mind. I as a Brit certainly don't consider couplets written by Americans which rhyme in an American accent, but not my own, to be bad.


I said the rhyme was forced, not bad.

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Maybe to American ears...

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Post Re: Examples of bad MT lyrics
Les Miserables has a couple instances of that as well, with "charm" and "palm" rhyming in "Master of the House" due to the accent.

I'm of two minds about it- on the one hand it's being written specifically for British performers/audiences so regional rhyming makes sense, but on the other hand it's not as if the characters themselves are supposed to carry those accents, so taking them within the context of the show it falls just a bit flat. But I tend not to mind them.


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I'm trying to think of an incidence where charm and palm don't rhyme in normal speech. Nobody pronounces the L in palm, the same way nobody pronounces the H in what.

As for the accents in Les Mis, well, they're French characters speaking French, with the appropriate social accents for the characters. So for a performance to an English audience, you would use the various English accents that match the social status of the original characters, the same as you would do for any language.


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I pronounce the "L" in palm.... but even still, how does "charm" rhyme with "pahm"? Of course, I have an American accent, so the "ar" is pretty sharp.


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Ch-arm
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would you put an R in Palm..doesnt make sense... I always pronounce the L in Palm..its supposed to be pronounced. Speech for the Stagee 101 should teach you that.

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I think with a British accent it works as a decent half-rhyme, but with an American accent (especially assuming - though I don't know if this is 100% true - that pronouncing the "l" in "palm" is an Americanism) it's very forced.

And therein lies the complicated nature of that age-old fandom argument "Should 'Les Mis' be performed with British accents or not?" I think the claim made by some people that American accents "sound too modern" is absolutely ridiculous, but still, the text was obviously written with British accents in mind and certain lyrics do sound "off" when sung by Americans.


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I tend to hear it "chahm/pahm", with a slight r in 'charm' but not sharp enough to be noticed. It's not a great rhyme, but it works.


As to accents, I tend not to mind American accents in Les Miserables, but they can throw me (like the first time I heard Barnatabois with an American accent- "advance/dance" just sounded so jarring).


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