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Author:  mantarnia [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:29 pm ]
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Salome wrote:
trust me...I know it can be done. Gateway playhouse in long island has staged it 3 times with special permission granted for the change in "America".
I'm not saying it is impossible, I am saying that it is the copyright holders of the film that would have to OK it, not the licence holders of the show. maybe in this case there is a standing agreement already placed. In addition to your comment of the screenplay, surely the song lyrics would be part of it in the same way that they are part of the libretto of the show.

Author:  Salome [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:45 pm ]
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the song lyrics were written by the original author of the stage play. the screenplay was an adaptaion of arthur laurents book by a hollywood contracted screenwriter..ernest lehman.
plus sondheim wrote those lyrics before the film version when he orignally considered America to be a duet between bernardo and anita in the OBC production.

Author:  mantarnia [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Productions that imitate the movie

Salome wrote:
the song lyrics were written by the original author of the stage play. the screenplay was an adaptaion of arthur laurents book by a hollywood contracted screenwriter..ernest lehman.
plus sondheim wrote those lyrics before the film version when he orignally considered America to be a duet between bernardo and anita in the OBC production.
It makes no difference when they were written. "My Girl Back Home" was written for the Broadway production of South Pacific, but because it was unused until the film it is still part of the films copyright.

Author:  Salome [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:04 am ]
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bu has been included in productions since. Al lI ma saying is you can get the rights..as long as you go through the right channells.

Author:  mantarnia [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:09 am ]
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Salome wrote:
bu has been included in productions since. Al lI ma saying is you can get the rights..as long as you go through the right channells.
Exactly, you have to go through the right channells. The show licence holders are not the right channells though. They would be unable to grant permission to use anything that is not part of the published version that they are the licence holders for.

Author:  Salome [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Productions that imitate the movie

you do go through the rights holder. they then contact whoever they need to to include it in your package..wheather it be the film company, the author or santa claus.

Author:  mantarnia [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:42 am ]
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Salome wrote:
you do go through the rights holder. they then contact whoever they need to to include it in your package..wheather it be the film company, the author or santa claus.
Possibly so, but it is still not the rights holder that gives the permission.

Author:  Salome [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:07 pm ]
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the rights holder gives the theatre company permission. you as a theatre company do not deal with/sign anything with the film company.

Author:  Hans [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:11 pm ]
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Of course, as we now know, the lyrics usd for America in the movie are actually the orignal lyrics written for the stage show (as the way they are included in the Naxos studio recording of the show). Accordin to The Hat they were replaces for the satge show and reinserted for the movie. I think they should always use it in stage productions.

Author:  mantarnia [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Productions that imitate the movie

Salome wrote:
the rights holder gives the theatre company permission. you as a theatre company do not deal with/sign anything with the film company.
Yes, but they in turn have to get permission from whoever owns the copyright, they alone are not allowed to give you permission to use anything that is not in the version that they supply.
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Author:  mantarnia [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:26 pm ]
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Hans wrote:
Of course, as we now know, the lyrics usd for America in the movie are actually the orignal lyrics written for the stage show (as the way they are included in the Naxos studio recording of the show). Accordin to The Hat they were replaces for the satge show and reinserted for the movie. I think they should always use it in stage productions.
It would be nice in an ideal world. However without special permission "community/amateur" productions can only use the published score, this only contains the stage lyrics.

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