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Any girls play Colin? 
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there are far more girls in theatre (especially who enjoy singing!)


Stereotype to the most extreme degree. How lovely.


:| Nope... fact.


The way she phrased it was not the best. With the exclamation mark it just rubbed me the wrong way.

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Post Re: Any girls play Colin?
At my theatre, we have many girls play boys (when they're pretty androgynous parts, like Jojo in Seussical because we'll have 300 girls show up and 3 boys (not an exaggeration). I'd rather have a young girl with boy hair and a fantastic voice play a boy than a crappy, ugly boy who can't hit a note to save his life (we get those a lot).


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I don't see how Colin's looks are important, other than he's supposed to be sickly in appearance. You certainly don't need a beauty of a boy for the role. However, you do need to make the audience believe Colin is a young boy, and without heavy makeup and refined acting skills, most young girls have trouble pulling this off. Adult women playing men or boys is a little bit different in my mind because they usually make an effort to play the character as it is written. Too often I see a girl cast in a male role and because she does not play the role well (as in I'm constantly aware that this is a female actress playing a male role and I'm not seeing the character for who he is), I'm taken out of the world of the play.

If you don't have a boy for Jojo or Colin, then don't choose to produce Seussical or The Secret Garden. It's really quite simple.

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Post Re: Any girls play Colin?
But then all the girls will be sad because there are only a handful of shows with only girls in them!


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Post Re: Any girls play Colin?
You should produce a show so that it'll be good, not so that most of your auditionees will be happy. If you want more girl roles in theatre, write them. I have faith your generation of female thespians will write great material for women actors.

And generally speaking, there are going to be very shows with all one gender, period. Choose girl heavy shows like Legally Blonde and Little Women. There's nothing wrong with playing to your strengths. If you have a certain demographic, use that demographic! Just don't bend a show to fit your people.

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This may have already been said, but I don't know how I feel about girls playing Colin. yes, it's easier to find a vocal timbre that works from a girl for Colin, but .... my thing is, if you know for a fact there aren't any young boys that could work in the area, you should reconsider doing the show .. there are so many variables in community theatre.

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Post Re: Any girls play Colin?
I completely understand what you are saying, and with incredibly important characters like Colin, it would be terrible to have a girl in the role. If it's a tiny role or a chorus role that's supposed to be a boy, it's different. We do have boys and normally have boys or young men play boys' roles, but sometimes the turnout isn't so good, yet there'll be wonderful and convincing females.

And I played Pinocchio in Pinocchio the musical. When I was 11. I agree, it was awful to have a young girl as a male lead.


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Honestly, I think that it doesn't really matter with children. At that age, they tend to have the same range anyhow, and community theatre and highschools have limited resources in that respect. Considering the majority of musicals that are non-sucky and inexpensive to buy the rights to are populated by predominantly male casts, it's fair to expect cross-casting.

Cross-casting with full-grown adults is a different matter, and one I could talk about for ages; my general rule of thumb regarding musical theatre is that if one cannot hit the notes, then one should not be cast. This applies to auditionees of both gender -- I have sat through many an amateur production of Oliver! where they only cast a boy on account of his gender, and not his talent.

It is a pity that so many musicals with female-heavy casts suck badly. I die a bit inside when I hear a song from Legally Blonde or Little Women. Neither of these shows say anything of any substance, or if they do they drill it into the audience's head via sledgehammer and endless reprises. Though there are several female roles, the vocal ranges are not as diverse as they should be, and the characterization is flat flat flat. Plus, the fact remains that these are shows with a single character that dominates the entire piece, and starring vehicles are never a good fit in the world of school and community theatre.

Really, is it any surprise that a director would prefer to do a decent show with a couple of incidents of cross-casting in order to avoid such drivel?


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Honestly, I think that it doesn't really matter with children. At that age, they tend to have the same range anyhow, and community theatre and highschools have limited resources in that respect. Considering the majority of musicals that are non-sucky and inexpensive to buy the rights to are populated by predominantly male casts, it's fair to expect cross-casting.

Cross-casting with full-grown adults is a different matter, and one I could talk about for ages; my general rule of thumb regarding musical theatre is that if one cannot hit the notes, then one should not be cast. This applies to auditionees of both gender -- I have sat through many an amateur production of Oliver! where they only cast a boy on account of his gender, and not his talent.

It is a pity that so many musicals with female-heavy casts suck badly. I die a bit inside when I hear a song from Legally Blonde or Little Women. Neither of these shows say anything of any substance, or if they do they drill it into the audience's head via sledgehammer and endless reprises. Though there are several female roles, the vocal ranges are not as diverse as they should be, and the characterization is flat flat flat. Plus, the fact remains that these are shows with a single character that dominates the entire piece, and starring vehicles are never a good fit in the world of school and community theatre.

Really, is it any surprise that a director would prefer to do a decent show with a couple of incidents of cross-casting in order to avoid such drivel?


Actually, I agree. I never thought of that.

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Post Re: Any girls play Colin?
ActingDude17 wrote:
I don't see how Colin's looks are important, other than he's supposed to be sickly in appearance.


Colin is supposed to largely resemble his mother, who was very beautiful. I feel like there were even descriptions in the book about how pretty he was. (It's been awhile though, so don't quote me on that.) If I remember correctly, he's actually supposed to be a bit feminine, which isn't largely uncommon for ten-year-old boys, especially ones that have been cooped up inside their whole lives. I've seen actual little boys who are very feminine in their appearances, so it's not like it's a rarity.

I personally have no issue with Colin being played by a girl. I've seen it both ways, and both were equally believable in the role. As long as the girl isn't overly feminine (which, at age 10, she shouldn't be; very few ten-year-olds have noticeable breasts or curves) I don't see it being an issue. I definitely wouldn't count this show out because there wasn't an appropriate boy, especially if I had solid leads available for the other leads.


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Post Re: Any girls play Colin?
Canadian Drama Geek wrote:
Honestly, I think that it doesn't really matter with children. At that age, they tend to have the same range anyhow, and community theatre and highschools have limited resources in that respect. Considering the majority of musicals that are non-sucky and inexpensive to buy the rights to are populated by predominantly male casts, it's fair to expect cross-casting.

Cross-casting with full-grown adults is a different matter, and one I could talk about for ages; my general rule of thumb regarding musical theatre is that if one cannot hit the notes, then one should not be cast. This applies to auditionees of both gender -- I have sat through many an amateur production of Oliver! where they only cast a boy on account of his gender, and not his talent.

It is a pity that so many musicals with female-heavy casts suck badly. I die a bit inside when I hear a song from Legally Blonde or Little Women. Neither of these shows say anything of any substance, or if they do they drill it into the audience's head via sledgehammer and endless reprises. Though there are several female roles, the vocal ranges are not as diverse as they should be, and the characterization is flat flat flat. Plus, the fact remains that these are shows with a single character that dominates the entire piece, and starring vehicles are never a good fit in the world of school and community theatre.

Really, is it any surprise that a director would prefer to do a decent show with a couple of incidents of cross-casting in order to avoid such drivel?

I never saw Little Women the musical but I've seen the straight play and it is wonderful and it is a great piece of literature. I saw a production of Legally Blonde and I wanted to kill myself. It was a well done production but I agree with you that it was a piece of crap. Annoying, flat characters, dialouge and score.


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Post Re: Any girls play Colin?
Well, My sister played Colin once her life. I have guided her for this play. Because, as we know that it is really tough for a girl to play this, but she has done it so nicely. I am proud to my sis.

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