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I have yet to see the new show and do indeed love the original phantom story but at least hes trying to move on.

I don't agree with the comments about the fans though, that is a bit rich and as has been said on here it is biting the hand that feeds.

You would'nt mind as much if he did'nt still cash in on it either, the original is still all over his website - http://www.reallyuseful.com/theatres/adelphi-theatre so its not like hes banished it to the past either!


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Exitstageright wrote:
I have yet to see the new show and do indeed love the original phantom story but at least hes trying to move on.


Going back more than twenty years to pluck the characters from his most successful musical and run them through another "emotional roller coaster" is trying to move on?


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Ok fair point on that, but all i'm saying is he surley has the right to add to the story, i am guessing by your reaction you are not a fan of love never dies?


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LoveShouldDie wrote:
In response to THE TIMES' article concerning the overwhelmingly negative fan response to LOVE NEVER DIES, Andrew Lloyd Webber's unnecessary, ill-conceived and ludicrous sequel to THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA (5 March 2010, 'No Love Lost for Lloyd Webber Sequel', page 9), Lloyd Webber's PR team at the Really Useful Group have spoken to THE TIMES' Arts Correspondent Ben Hoyle in the 6 March 2010 edition of THE TIMES.

In the article (link provided at the end of this note), Lloyd Webber is quoted as saying: "There’s a whole sad culture around the world of people who seem to only live by the old Phantom of the Opera.”

Does Lord Lloyd-Webber realize that it is precisely this "sad culture" that he apparently regrets that has been lining his pockets for the past two decades, especially since he has not had a surefire global hit since THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA?

It is one thing to insult the integrity of his own show by mounting a sequel that directly contradicts Harold Prince's award-winning vision of it. It is quite another to insult the very audiences that have made his own show a sucess.

Lloyd Webber also hypocritically claims that people were wrong to dismiss LES MISÉRABLES when it began previewing, despite the fact that he himself was one of its detractors, calling Cameron Mackintosh a "catastrophic idiot" for pursuing the idea (according to the journalist Edward Behr).

If his Lordship does not wish for people to judge a show on its previews, then perhaps his company, The Really Useful Group, should not have had the arrogance or greed to charge exorbitant prices for previews. Former collaborator and present rival Cameron Mackintosh heavily discounted for the previews of AVENUE Q, with tickets at just £10. Consequently audiences realized what they were seeing was not the finished product. In the case of LOVE NEVER DIES, its official website characterized the first preview as the opening night by the inclusion of a countdown to 20 February and not 9 March, while charging nearly £70 a ticket hardly gave any impression that what was to be seen was not intended to be a polished show. Let us not forget that the reason that Andrew Lloyd Webber himself gave for delaying the opening of LOVE NEVER DIES (having originally intended a 2009 opening) was so that the show would be virtually entirely presentable to audiences.

Having dismissed PHANTOM OF THE OPERA fandom as "sad", Lloyd Webber then adds: "But I suspect in a year’s time most of those [fans], if they come to see [LOVE NEVER DIES], will understand and enjoy it."

What exactly does he expect fans to understand? If his Lordship thinks that fans will "understand" why on earth Phantom appears extremely younger ten years later, or why 1881 to 1907 apparently equals ten years, or why on earth the Phantom would regress to being a stalker out to lure Christine having already released her in a redemptive sacrificial act of love, or why Christine would return to the Phantom to have sexual relations with him despite leaving him, or why Raoul would turn from heroic suitor into drunken wreck, or why the impish Meg Giry would turn from promising ballerina at the Paris Opera to murderous whore, or why Andrew Lloyd Webber would choose one of Frederick Forsyth's rare FLOPS to adapt into a musical, then we feel he is incredibly mistaken.

Finally, we would like to add that PHANTOM fans' objections to the show are extremely unlikely to be annulled by seeing LOVE NEVER DIES. It is the story of LOVE NEVER DIES to which devoted PHANTOM fans object in principle. No amount of refinement in previews will change the story; it has been set in stone, according to THE DAILY MAIL. Seeing the show will neither change the story. It is what it is: a ludicrous piece of offensive trash that is doomed to failure and destined to flop.

If you are a passionate fan of THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA and are similarly disgusted by Andrew Lloyd Webber's remarks, you can write to the Lord himself at:

Lord Lloyd-Webber
c/o The Really Useful Group Ltd
22 Tower Street
London WC2H 9TW
United Kingdom

You can also write to the Really Useful Group by email at online_team@reallyuseful.co.uk

We also urge all our fans to comment on the article itself with their views. The link is provided at the end of this note.

Alternatively, you can write to THE TIMES (with your real name, postal address and telephone contact number---these will not be published without your consent) at letters@thetimes.co.uk

Your views need not go unvoiced.

Read the source article in question at http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 052118.ece


May I dismiss you as "sad" for creating a profile name "Love Should Die" on this board just to bash this musical?

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Exactly what I said :lol:

But they didn't only make a name here. They made a facebook group and various accounts in other places, and they recreated the logo for the avatar for which they hunted for the correct font.

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In response to THE TIMES' article concerning the overwhelmingly negative fan response to LOVE NEVER DIES, Andrew Lloyd Webber's unnecessary, ill-conceived and ludicrous sequel to THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA (5 March 2010, 'No Love Lost for Lloyd Webber Sequel', page 9), Lloyd Webber's PR team at the Really Useful Group have spoken to THE TIMES' Arts Correspondent Ben Hoyle in the 6 March 2010 edition of THE TIMES.

In the article (link provided at the end of this note), Lloyd Webber is quoted as saying: "There’s a whole sad culture around the world of people who seem to only live by the old Phantom of the Opera.”

Does Lord Lloyd-Webber realize that it is precisely this "sad culture" that he apparently regrets that has been lining his pockets for the past two decades, especially since he has not had a surefire global hit since THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA?

It is one thing to insult the integrity of his own show by mounting a sequel that directly contradicts Harold Prince's award-winning vision of it. It is quite another to insult the very audiences that have made his own show a sucess.

Lloyd Webber also hypocritically claims that people were wrong to dismiss LES MISÉRABLES when it began previewing, despite the fact that he himself was one of its detractors, calling Cameron Mackintosh a "catastrophic idiot" for pursuing the idea (according to the journalist Edward Behr).

If his Lordship does not wish for people to judge a show on its previews, then perhaps his company, The Really Useful Group, should not have had the arrogance or greed to charge exorbitant prices for previews. Former collaborator and present rival Cameron Mackintosh heavily discounted for the previews of AVENUE Q, with tickets at just £10. Consequently audiences realized what they were seeing was not the finished product. In the case of LOVE NEVER DIES, its official website characterized the first preview as the opening night by the inclusion of a countdown to 20 February and not 9 March, while charging nearly £70 a ticket hardly gave any impression that what was to be seen was not intended to be a polished show. Let us not forget that the reason that Andrew Lloyd Webber himself gave for delaying the opening of LOVE NEVER DIES (having originally intended a 2009 opening) was so that the show would be virtually entirely presentable to audiences.

Having dismissed PHANTOM OF THE OPERA fandom as "sad", Lloyd Webber then adds: "But I suspect in a year’s time most of those [fans], if they come to see [LOVE NEVER DIES], will understand and enjoy it."

What exactly does he expect fans to understand? If his Lordship thinks that fans will "understand" why on earth Phantom appears extremely younger ten years later, or why 1881 to 1907 apparently equals ten years, or why on earth the Phantom would regress to being a stalker out to lure Christine having already released her in a redemptive sacrificial act of love, or why Christine would return to the Phantom to have sexual relations with him despite leaving him, or why Raoul would turn from heroic suitor into drunken wreck, or why the impish Meg Giry would turn from promising ballerina at the Paris Opera to murderous whore, or why Andrew Lloyd Webber would choose one of Frederick Forsyth's rare FLOPS to adapt into a musical, then we feel he is incredibly mistaken.

Finally, we would like to add that PHANTOM fans' objections to the show are extremely unlikely to be annulled by seeing LOVE NEVER DIES. It is the story of LOVE NEVER DIES to which devoted PHANTOM fans object in principle. No amount of refinement in previews will change the story; it has been set in stone, according to THE DAILY MAIL. Seeing the show will neither change the story. It is what it is: a ludicrous piece of offensive trash that is doomed to failure and destined to flop.

If you are a passionate fan of THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA and are similarly disgusted by Andrew Lloyd Webber's remarks, you can write to the Lord himself at:

Lord Lloyd-Webber
c/o The Really Useful Group Ltd
22 Tower Street
London WC2H 9TW
United Kingdom

You can also write to the Really Useful Group by email at online_team@reallyuseful.co.uk

We also urge all our fans to comment on the article itself with their views. The link is provided at the end of this note.

Alternatively, you can write to THE TIMES (with your real name, postal address and telephone contact number---these will not be published without your consent) at letters@thetimes.co.uk

Your views need not go unvoiced.

Read the source article in question at http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 052118.ece
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May I dismiss you as "sad" for creating a profile name "Love Should Die" on this board just to bash this musical?

:lol: Great idea.


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Peritombry wrote:
Exactly what I said :lol:

But they didn't only make a name here. They made a facebook group and various accounts in other places, and they recreated the logo for the avatar for which they hunted for the correct font.


Sorry! I didn't have the patience to read the whole thread. But I was sure I wouldn't be the only one to make that observation.

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