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Brunnhilde wrote:
A book? I'd like to read it.

And... are there any serious rewievs of the Brick readable online? Especially Freudian ones. :D


Get the book, read it, make it a summer project. This is one of the great pieces of literature of the 19th century. Every educated person should read it.

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In the mini series starring Gerard Depardieau and John Malkovich there is dialogue that goes something like this.

Valjean: "Cossette, i love you"
Cossette: "Yes, as a daughter."
Valjean: "No"

So that interpretation certainly exists.

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Set_Buildin_Dad wrote:
Brunnhilde wrote:
A book? I'd like to read it.

And... are there any serious rewievs of the Brick readable online? Especially Freudian ones. :D


Get the book, read it, make it a summer project. This is one of the great pieces of literature of the 19th century. Every educated person should read it.


I don't think you understood me. I meant somebody mentioned here a book ABOUT the brick, analysation or what. I've read the Brick at last 25 times.

And I meant analysations online.

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Ghost wrote:
In the mini series starring Gerard Depardieau and John Malkovich there is dialogue that goes something like this.

Valjean: "Cossette, i love you"
Cossette: "Yes, as a daughter."
Valjean: "No"

So that interpretation certainly exists.


I never thought Valjean had romantic feelings for her, but that's interesting. I'll have to watch that series.

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Cossette? Who's that?

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Enjorlas's secret mistress, duh.



Also, as all you people should know by now, the dialogue is as follows:
JVJ: J'aime Cosette.
Marius: Oui... comme un pere...
JVJ: Non. J'aime Cosette.
Marius: Je crois qu'il vaut mieux si vous sortiez.

Now stop making me have to transcribe that.

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lesmisloony wrote:

Now stop making me have to transcribe that.


:D :D

Now, really, Hugo says that Cosette is everything for Valjean (mother, sister, daughter, wife) so maybe, on a very uncounciously level there is something of it. But for a paragraph where he hints at it, we have dozen of pages about the purity of his love.
I mean, he had such a lonely live that Cosette was everything for him. He's never known any kind of love. He's got everything in one person. But he certainly doesn't lust after her as icky Depardieu Valjean does!
Also, from the way he keeps cosette old clothes, it is evident that he misses the little child. He would had been happy if Cosette had stayed his little daughter for ever. And when he is dying she remembers her as a small child.
So, even if Cosette was everything for him, this is very very far away from the "I love Cosette" of the miniseries, where Valjean is in love with woman!cosette and teenager!cosette.

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I hate Depardieu. Why does he think he must play all the classic French heroes? He's UGLY and untalented. Great French actors? See Gabin. Delon. Trintignant.

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Ghost wrote:
In the mini series starring Gerard Depardieau and John Malkovich there is dialogue that goes something like this.

Valjean: "Cossette, i love you"
Cossette: "Yes, as a daughter."
Valjean: "No"

So that interpretation certainly exists.


Not necessarily.

A movie, play, or musical can create their own version based on their whole vision of the work.

The musical is guilty of that as well. Mme Thenardiers wouldn't stand up to her husband at all, let alone mock him in public. She listened to what he said, and accepted it without much arguments.

So, just because we see something in one adaptation, or another, that doesn't mean it has bases in the original. Actually, sometimes adaptation goes blatantly against the source.

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Actually, sometimes adaptation goes blatantly against the source.


A great example of this: Read Ella Enchanted by Gail Carson Levine. Then see the film. Oh, better yet, The Princess Diaries. *sigh* I want to like Anne Hathaway, but she's been in so many films that completely destroyed the books I loved as a kid.


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Hey Tenalto, have to read the 6th Princess Diaries? It mentions how they're always messing up movies of her life, and how in one film, they made her grandmother nice and her dad dead, and thats exactly how the film portrayed it! I laughed a lottt when I read thast.

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Yeah, I read that! I've always wondered how authors feel when their works get warped and they can't do anything about it. At least that time it could be mocked!


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