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I contemplated posting this in my "Examples of bad MT lyrics" thread, but I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad lyric. But I really don't understand it: unless 'mandarin' has another lyric rather than the type of orange, I have no idea what it means. Can someone please explain to me what 'jaded mandarin' is supposed to mean?

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I really don't understand (the lyric 'jaded mandarin'): unless 'mandarin' has another lyric rather than the type of orange, I have no idea what it means. Can someone please explain to me what 'jaded mandarin' is supposed to mean?

In the Chinese culture, a mandarin is a high-ranking public official. By calling Jesus a jaded mandarin, Judas is saying that Jesus has become useless as someone who represents the ideals of the people.

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Post Re: "Jaded Mandarin"?
So it is a bad lyric then?

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High-baritonne wrote:
So it is a bad lyric then?


Now that I understand what it means, I don't consider it a bad lyric at all.

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Post Re: "Jaded Mandarin"?
Good question. As for knowingly basing opinions on a lack of understanding...no comment.

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Oh, that makes so much more sense!

My thinking was that he's so worked up, he's just yelling, not really caring about making sense. Or that the 'mandarin' has gone sour.... See what I did there? :P

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Post Re: "Jaded Mandarin"?
A "Mandarin" is another word for "high ranking official" or "bureaucrat" or "leader of an elite group" or "king." Even though Judas is pissed off at Jesus by this point, he chooses his words wisely and cuts Jesus to the quick. Let's not forget; the way the show is written, Judas is Jesus' intellectual equal. That's probably how it was in real life, too.

He's calling his friend (whome he clearly loves) a useless, stupid man pretending to be a leader.

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jcstar wrote:
Let's not forget; the way the show is written, Judas is Jesus' intellectual equal. That's probably how it was in real life, too.


How do you figure that?

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Judas is not a stupid man in the show. He's followed other "Messiahs" before, that's the whole thing about "Heaven On Their Minds." He's seen this all before. Otherwise, he wouldn't have such a big issue with how Jesus is handling his fame... and believing his own publicity.

Judas was the right hand man in real life. He was in charge of the money, he questioned the woman in Bethany about the ointment and such. The other Apostles are blockheads and say nothing. I believe that Judas and Jesus had several conversations and arguments as a way of communicating with each other. Otherwise, why would Judas be Jesus' #1 man? I've also read in books that Judas is believed to have been the one non-Galilean in the Twelve. He also was a Zealot. So, he saw things differently.

In the show, he challenges Jesus at every turn. Sometimes, if the director so chooses, Judas can do some non-verbal "I told you so" things during certain numbers.

But yes, it's clear to me that Judas and Jesus were equals as far as intelect.

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Post Re: "Jaded Mandarin"?
There's another lyric in that same song that kind of confuses me. "What's that in the bread it's gone to my head".Are they talking about the power of being disciples or is there literally some kind of drug baked into the bread?

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Post Re: "Jaded Mandarin"?
According to Tim Rice's autobiography, the lyric was a lame in-joke about the sizable amounts of pot the session musicians were consuming while working on the original concept recording. In a more drug-oriented day and age like the early Seventies, it probably helped the show's hippie audience identify with the apostles all the more.

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Post Re: "Jaded Mandarin"?
Dear Musicals.Net Posters,

By that time during the plot, Judas was so angry, and he was drinking such bad wine, that he hallucinated that Jesus WAS a Mandarin orange! He had also visited a prostitute, and he had a wicked STD, which was effecting his mind. I'm not kidding!

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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