Luc
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WICKED HATERS POST HERE!!Keep your comments here. Say what you want. Be totally harsh if need be. Express your opinions here, not in other threads!!!
As for the Wickieboppers, please don't reply to other people's posts with snarly comments. This is a place for them to say how they feel so that our topics don't get to be three hundred pages long because of people fighting for WICKED.
I hope this works....
GO!
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ConverseSneaker
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I doubt a Wicked Hater would post in the Wicked forum.
The musical is alright, but the book is 210% better and I think the musical is like has been sweetened and is almost disney. I don't like the long black skirt during Defying Gravity, it ruins the illusion for me. I HATE Fiyero in the musical, it just seems wrong. My only joy is that there can never be a Wicked 2 because stupid Fiyero and Elphaba LIVE and they have no kid to play Liir.
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Luc
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Don't worry, WICKED haters certainly aren't shy of posting here! 
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Pounce
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I don't like the show but I don't hate it either. It's new and worthy of discussion.
It's no MdN rule but personally I think all particular show haters should steer clear of a show's forum.
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Salome
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how dare someone tell us we cantp ost opinions in other threads. wtf?? grow up.
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Rumblepurr
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Forum | Pounce wrote: | | It's no MdN rule but personally I think all particular show haters should steer clear of a show's forum. |
| ConverseSneaker wrote: | | I doubt a Wicked Hater would post in the Wicked forum. |
The thoughts voiced above do seem to be the "norm" here on MdN. The trouble is - this is supposed to be a FORUM - a place of debate as well as the place for the sharing of information. Quite a few poeple, however, view it as a fan-based location only, and con-based opinions are to be excluded... In order to voice the negative side of the issue, one almost requires a thread such as this.
As a moderator, I have tried to state this: that a Forum should allow BOTH sides of an issue in a debate style. A member should be able to post either the pro side of a musical, or the con side, without being personally attacked. A person should be able to state their case - pro or con - and then literally expect someone to counter it. When that occurs, a rebuttal should attack what was stated and not the person stating it.
I would like to see this happen, and would encourage people to use the Forum to increase our knowledge of the various musicals in MdN.
Rumblepurr
R-W Forum Moderator.
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Pounce
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I am all for debate of various opinions about the show and that is especially true of new shows. But if someone is a hater of a show, then I think s/he is incapable of rational discussion of a shows merits or shortcomings. I do not think a rant by a Wicked hater filled with pejoratives will offer much to address by those with opposing views.
If a person doesnt like a show and has opinions as to why then by all means post, but I think the haters should just move along.
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Luc
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| Pounce wrote: | | It's no MdN rule but personally I think all particular show haters should steer clear of a show's forum. |
But they don't so that's why this thread was created.
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Rumblepurr
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| Pounce wrote: | But if someone is a hater of a show, then I think s/he is incapable of rational discussion of a shows merits or shortcomings. I do not think a rant by a Wicked hater filled with pejoratives will offer much to address by those with opposing views.
If a person doesnt like a show and has opinions as to why then by all means post, but I think the haters should just move along. |
*sigh* I suppose you are probably correct about that... Anyone who "hates" a show typically tends to forego the reasoning behind a commentary, and does tend to turn it into a rant. Individuals that hurl an insult or an indefensible comment or invective should not to be welcomed in any Forum - musicals or otherwise.
Still, people who have a negative viewpoint of a show should still be able to post them, and thus invite debate instead of a mutual "rock-throwing." I think that was my point. I believe that musikal_geek's point was to create a thread that advertizes that a debate is being posted that will contain negative commentatries and critiques. Thus, readers coming in will be warned that this is not pure fan thread...
Again, Respectfully submitted,
Rumblepurr
R-W Forum Moderator.
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Pounce
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From my experience at MdN, the question is what is the hate poster's motive? Often show haters want to provoke the fans by posting inflamatory comments.
Maybe musikal_geek's idea was to provide some sort of outlet for the Wicked haters to vent but I think it's better for them to spend their time in other forums. I don't see anything useful in hearing someone describe in colorful terms how bad the show is. I personally didn't like Wicked, yet I do find the show interesting to discuss. It is a new show and very much open to criticism...but only constructive criticism. For the long-lived shows that have established their place in musical history, I think there is less room for negative comments.
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Luc
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| Pounce wrote: | | Maybe musikal_geek's idea was to provide some sort of outlet for the Wicked haters to vent but I think it's better for them to spend their time in other forums. |
I think that, too, but they don't.
This was meant to be a space to -- just like Pounce said -- vent about what you don't like about Wicked. A place where you can say what you want without Wickieboppers attacking, because they definately do. This is a very tense board, so I thought if there was a place where the people who don't like Wicked very much could post their opinions and so that the fans of the show don't have to listen to them. If they don't want to hear the negative comments, I would suggest that they don't click on this thread at all.
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The Very Angry Woman
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| musikal_geek wrote: | | Pounce wrote: | | It's no MdN rule but personally I think all particular show haters should steer clear of a show's forum. |
But they don't so that's why this thread was created. |
Right. I know I'm not the only one who checks the board by going to the "new posts" search results page first, not laboriously going through each forum looking out for the "new" GIFs.
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TheNextTenMinutes
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How embarrassing for you, m_g. You've just forgone the whole point of a discussion board.
Unfortunately, there will be people who don't like Wicked in the world. I agree that they shouldn't come and just flame everyone for teh sake of it, but I think the fans of the show need to realise that not everyone in the world will be as into it as they are, and (gasp) they're completely entitled to feel that way. If you can't handle people not having the same opinion as you, I recommend locking yourself inside your house with no lights on, no radio, no TV, no newspapers, and definitely no Internet.
Sorry if I seem harsh but this is just ridiculous in my eyes. I understand that it's upsetting when people flame for the sake of flaming. To be honest, though, I find the most unintelligent posts in the Wicked forum are posted by the fans of the show, not the critics of it.
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Salome
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there is a difference between spammers and people who dont like a certian musical. I cant's stand what Schwartz and company did to Wicked. its such a good novel and they destroyed it by over simplifying, changing characters, lightening it and writing a terrible score.
because I hate the musical version,this doesnt mean i should not voice my opinion on this subject.
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Pounce
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| The Very Angry Woman wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | | Pounce wrote: | | It's no MdN rule but personally I think all particular show haters should steer clear of a show's forum. |
But they don't so that's why this thread was created. |
Right. I know I'm not the only one who checks the board by going to the "new posts" search results page first, not laboriously going through each forum looking out for the "new" GIFs. |
That's why topics should be well labeled and if the browser supports it, check what forum it is.
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cherartist
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i don't mean to insult anyone, ok, i think your all great but this is a musical forum, not intended for book, if you want to insult wicked, which is one of the most succesful shows ever, then start a site about the book, which is great to!!!!!!!! I just think instead of arguing all the time, just make a book forum and go hate the wicked musical there.
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Salome
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but the point of a forum is discussion. I think if the musical was written by a better creative team..perhap JRB and ALfred Uhry...or James Lapine it would havew been great. Its the perfect subject for a musical but Schwartz and co. didnt have the talent to make the musical work.
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Timmy_Wishes he was Quast
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in your opinion...i think the accountants would say otherwise.
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Salome
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast wrote: | | in your opinion...i think the accountants would say otherwise. |
art isnt judged by how much money a show makes. total crap can run for years. look at Phantom,Starlight Express and Cats.
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Timmy_Wishes he was Quast
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Touché!
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lalala
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Snaps for Salome!
cherartist, that comment was.. well, it could have been more thought-out. The very fact that Wicked was based on a book means that people will discuss it not only as a musical, but as an adaption.
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Pounce
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| Salome wrote: | | Timmy_Wishes he was Quast wrote: | | in your opinion...i think the accountants would say otherwise. |
art isnt judged by how much money a show makes. total crap can run for years. look at Phantom,Starlight Express and Cats. |
How much money a show makes is really what matters. I didn't like Wicked but I'm so glad when a show is taking on blockbuster status. It is good for the actors, musicians, technicians, production staff, Broadway, and the musical genre itself. It's these long running, money-making shows that make Broadway and the West End matter to our culture and keeps the musical theater industry running. It convinces investors that despite the risk, shows are worth investing in...and that's a good thing.
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Salome
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| Pounce wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | Timmy_Wishes he was Quast wrote: | | in your opinion...i think the accountants would say otherwise. |
art isnt judged by how much money a show makes. total crap can run for years. look at Phantom,Starlight Express and Cats. |
How much money a show makes is really what matters. I didn't like Wicked but I'm so glad when a show is taking on blockbuster status. It is good for the actors, musicians, technicians, production staff, Broadway, and the musical genre itself. It's these long running, money-making shows that make Broadway and the West End matter to our culture and keeps the musical theater industry running. It convinces investors that despite the risk, shows are worth investing in...and that's a good thing. |
wow! you have no concept of Art at all.
yes its good that we have long running shows...it keeps the industry employed. but that has nothing to do with how good a show is.
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Luc
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"The reason for this thread was because WICKED haters are wrong and should not exist. They don't have the right to have that opinion."
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. I've done this once before, and I'll do it again:
not: adv. In no way; to no degree. Used to express negation, denial, refusal, or prohibition: I will not go. You may not have any.
That's what it means, in case you didn't know before.
All I'm trying to do is actually decrease the amount of arguments in this forum, not start a new one. Everybody goes bonkers if somebody says that they don't like WICKED. Read my previous post one more time. Nice and slowly. Sound out those big words. It all makes sense, trust me. String all of the words together. The words beginning with capitals are the beginning of what we call a sentence and the words with a dot (.) at the end of them are the end of a sentence. String all of the sentences together to create a paragraph. Read it properly, it all makes sense. Trust me.
sentence: n. A grammatical unit that is syntactically independent and has a subject that is expressed or, as in imperative sentences, understood and a predicate that contains at least one finite verb.
paragraph: n. A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous words.
Good day.
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happyguava
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I'm sorry - define "Wickiebopper", someone!
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Luc
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Big, big fans of WICKED. Well, not physically big..... but strong lovers of WICKED.
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Emmanya
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I think the musical is very hit and miss and I agree that with a better creative team it could have been one hundred times better and it frustrates me that thats not the case. In my humble opinion there are only a few songs worth much:
What is this feeling?
Popular
Defying Gravity
No Good Deed
For Good
The Wizard and I, I'm not that girl and the As Long as your mine are good but when you look at the show on a whole they are just two more ballads in the most ballad-y show ever. I also think Dancing Through Life is ok and has the bonus of being only one of three (THREE?!) up tempo songs.
I also don't think the show is *that* funny. I mean having Galinda add "-ified" onto the end of every word is not cutting edge humour. another fault of the show is weak characterisation. Not only G(a)linda but also Boq, Fiyero and Nessarose.
I have to say I just think that a few songs scrapped and replaced by more up tempo, ensemble songs placed mostly in the second act would improve Wicked a lot.
But to be honest the subject the book deals with are not easy to tackle and I appreciate that and they did an okay job and they got away with it but as I've already said it is frustrating to see something which could have been so wonderful instead have songs like "Something bad" and lyrics like
"There are bridges you crossed you didn't know you crossed until you crossed".
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Salome
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You missed the only song in the show thats exceptional. "Wonderful". that song capurtes the flavor of the wizard's character and the book better than any of the 2nd and third rate pieces in the show.
Popular has got to be one of the worst excuses for a witty song that I have ever heard.
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Emmanya
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I think Popular works okay but I agree that its not that funny and really hardly anything about the musical is as funny as Schwartz and co seem to think it is.
I quite like "Wonderful" but its just an example of how 'musicalified' the book became when the Wizard is this lovable, 'i don't know how this happened to me, oh shucks' guy.
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