Salome
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Why was this Forum added....and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked.
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musikal_geek
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Just to make you mad. 
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Salome
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No, I'm serious. alot better shows still dont have forums. and the stage version of Mary Poppins cuts the 4 best songs in the film. not to mention added new ones not even written by the Sherman Brothers.
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London_Mungojerrie
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| Salome wrote: | | No, I'm serious. alot better shows still dont have forums. and the stage version of Mary Poppins cuts the 4 best songs in the film. not to mention added new ones not even written by the Sherman Brothers. |
Have you seen Mary Poppins live in London?
What were these 4 "fantastic" songs that arn't in the stage show anyway?
And Stiles and Drew did a better job with the new songs than the Sherman Brothers could have ever done 
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Salome
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| London_Mungojerrie wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | No, I'm serious. alot better shows still dont have forums. and the stage version of Mary Poppins cuts the 4 best songs in the film. not to mention added new ones not even written by the Sherman Brothers. |
Have you seen Mary Poppins live in London?
What were these 4 "fantastic" songs that arn't in the stage show anyway?
And Stiles and Drew did a better job with the new songs than the Sherman Brothers could have ever done |
Life I Lead
Sister Surragate
I Love To Laugh
The Bank Song
stiles and drew cant even lick the Sherman's feet. lol
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Guest
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I don't think shows deserve their own forum because they are "better" artistically. Only if they are popular. Wicked's has more than proved its worthiness as a stand-alone forum. I think there has to be some sort of demonstrated groundswell of interest in discussing a show to justify its own forum.
That said, even now, I think some forums could be trimmed because of lack of interest. I like Avenue Q, but I don't get much sense yet that there is much to talk about although I for one am interested. Maybe the Broadway Buzz section should be organized more like the Across the Boards section with subforums. Although some like Wicked,CATS, and Phantom could justify their own forum instead of a sub-forum.
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Guest
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| London_Mungojerrie wrote: | | And Stiles and Drew did a better job with the new songs than the Sherman Brothers could have ever done |
If you mean having the Sherman Brothers write today (are they still alive?), sure. But their original set is hard to top.
| Salome wrote: | | Life I Lead |
Good character development song.
Good song, and does some character development for Mrs. Banks but not crucial.
Nice song, never could understand the importance of it to the plot. A mild show-stopper perhaps.
Clever tune, very much a part of the plot.
| Quote: | | stiles and drew cant even lick the Sherman's feet. lol |
I agree although not in such colorful terms. 
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Guest
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Don't know what happened but the two posts above and presumably this as well by Guest are really Pounce.
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Guest
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| Anonymous wrote: | | Guess I'm able to post without logging in but the two posts above and presumably this as well by Guest are really Pounce. |
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Guest
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| Anonymous wrote: | | Anonymous wrote: | | Guess I'm able to post without logging in but the two posts above and presumably this as well by Guest are really Pounce. |
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Oh wow, this is getting crazy! Ok, I'll stop! 
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Salome
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thgey were both Alive 8 years ago when the did the musical version of "St. Martins Lane' called Busker Alley.
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Guest
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| Salome wrote: | | thgey were both Alive 8 years ago when the did the musical version of "St. Martins Lane' called Busker Alley. |
They were both alive when they wrote the new score for the stage version of Chitty.
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Savoyard
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Robert B. Sherman is in his 80s now and Richard M. Sherman is getting there, but they're alive and well. The were inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame last year.
Back towards the main topic, I found it particularly bad that they cut "The Life I Lead" and "Sister Suffragette". Their replacements aren't that good.
And I really do wonder why this gets a forum, when several classics by Lerner & Loewe and Gilbert & Sullivan don't have their own forums.
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Salome
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Camelot had a forum and it was stupidly removed. ugh!
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nickhutson
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Cameron Mackintosh wanted a British team to work on this very British musical. The only American people involved in it are Disney and Bill Brohn (the orchestrator). Everyone else is British...the writers, co-creator (Cameron M), Set designer, choreographer, directors....so - it was inevitable that the writers of the new songs would be British.
The previously songs mentioned were removed because they're nothing to do with the original Mary Poppins story (Suffragettes was a 1930s feminist movement, and the original stories are set in the very early 1900's) - for which the stage show is more geared toward.
"The Life I lead" is actually quoted in the show, but later on - the same reprise which appears in the movie actually appears in the stage show.
I think this forum topic is here because it's now playing in Broadway and The West End (as is Avenue Q), but it appears these forums are geared toward family friendly musicals - and Ave Q is not a family friendly musical. It's a great musical, though! I love it!
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Jekkienumber24601
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | Salome wrote: | | ..and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked. |
Not to mention Tarzan and Spamalot having forums.
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candlestickjay
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| nickhutson wrote: | Cameron Mackintosh wanted a British team to work on this very British musical. The only American people involved in it are Disney and Bill Brohn (the orchestrator). Everyone else is British...the writers, co-creator (Cameron M), Set designer, choreographer, directors....so - it was inevitable that the writers of the new songs would be British.
The previously songs mentioned were removed because they're nothing to do with the original Mary Poppins story (Suffragettes was a 1930s feminist movement, and the original stories are set in the very early 1900's) - for which the stage show is more geared toward.
"The Life I lead" is actually quoted in the show, but later on - the same reprise which appears in the movie actually appears in the stage show.
I think this forum topic is here because it's now playing in Broadway and The West End (as is Avenue Q), but it appears these forums are geared toward family friendly musicals - and Ave Q is not a family friendly musical. It's a great musical, though! I love it! |
Thank you. ^_^ I agree wholeheartedly.
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TheWitch
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I was very disapointed when I first heard that "Sister Suffragette" (not Surregette, Salome) was cut from the show. That had to be one of my favorite songs from the movie when I was little. Not to mention that it gave the mother an actual charecter. And now that I hear that "The Life I Lead" has been cut as well I feel even more dispointment. I just don't understand why some one would screw with something that was near perfect to bring it to the stage. Did they really think that they could make it better? Oof...
And to reply to the original question: I agree with whomever said that it's more up to the show's popularity as to whether it gets as forum or not. But do I think that Avenue Q should getr one. Yes I do.
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Salome
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | Jekkienumber24601 wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | ..and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked. |
Not to mention Tarzan and Spamalot having forums. |
nothing wrong with Spamalot having a forum. its a big tony winning hit.
and people talk about the show often.
but putting shows on here before they are tested doesnt make sense. remember Lestat? LOL
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London_Mungojerrie
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | Salome wrote: | | Jekkienumber24601 wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | ..and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked. |
Not to mention Tarzan and Spamalot having forums. |
nothing wrong with Spamalot having a forum. its a big tony winning hit.
and people talk about the show often.
but putting shows on here before they are tested doesnt make sense. remember Lestat? LOL |
Mary Poppins HAS been tested! It has been running on the West End for 2 years, and is still considered a "Sold Out" show. It is very very popular, and an amazing show.
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Yasmin
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| nickhutson wrote: |
(Suffragettes was a 1930s feminist movement, and the original stories are set in the very early 1900's) - for which the stage show is more geared toward. |
The suffragette movement was actually started in 1897 but didn't really get going until about 1903. They were working towards votes for women until at least 1928 when they finally got limited rights.
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missy87
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| Salome wrote: | | London_Mungojerrie wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | No, I'm serious. alot better shows still dont have forums. and the stage version of Mary Poppins cuts the 4 best songs in the film. not to mention added new ones not even written by the Sherman Brothers. |
Have you seen Mary Poppins live in London?
What were these 4 "fantastic" songs that arn't in the stage show anyway?
And Stiles and Drew did a better job with the new songs than the Sherman Brothers could have ever done |
Life I Lead
Sister Surragate
I Love To Laugh
The Bank Song
stiles and drew cant even lick the Sherman's feet. lol |
this is because the mary poppins stage version isnt entilly based on the film its actually based on the novel it actually mentions it in the mary poppins programe if you read it thats why it doesnt have i love to laugh cause you dont meet the uncle in the book instead you meet another character mrs andrews the replacement and in the film shes not in it or does mary poppins leave hmm.. see it now so thats why these songs werent in the stage show. 
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AnnieOakley
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This show has its own forum because everybody likes different things ..... what a boring world it would be if we all liked the same thing 
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Kate_Monster
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As much as I love Mary Poppins, I can't help agreeing that Avenue Q should have its own forum!
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arctic_orange
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| Quote: | | cause you dont meet the uncle in the book instead you meet another character mrs andrews |
sorry to revive an old thread, but I've read all the MP books, and you definitely do meet the uncle, and it is a very similar scene to that depicted in the movie. I'm....just saying.
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bean_C4U
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Yes, the uncle 'on the ceiling' is met in the books.
However, one of the aims of the stage production was to give Mary Poppins a darker edge, and I personally believe that a "tea party on the ceiling", and a "camp-as-you-like jolly holiday in the park wearing a pink suit" is a bit too much, therefore one had to give.
Temper, Temper, sets the tone needed for the new musical .
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Sweeney Hyde
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I think Camelot deserves a forum before any more new ones are added, personally...one for Follies, but Camelot first.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Sweeney Hyde wrote: | | I think Camelot deserves a forum before any more new ones are added, personally...one for Follies, but Camelot first. |
Follies first. Camelot is an OK show. Sorry Salome but it's true. Follies is the greatest musical ever written.
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RainbowJude
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Comparisons and Cut Songs | Salome wrote: | | The stage version of Mary Poppins cuts the 4 best songs in the film.... (and) added new ones not even written by the Sherman Brothers. |
| London_Mungojerrie wrote: | | What are these 4 "fantastic" songs that aren't in the stage show? Stiles and Drew did a better job with the new songs than the Sherman Brothers could have ever done. |
| Salome wrote: | | The Life I Lead / Sister Suffragette / I Love To Laugh / The Bank Song. Stiles and Drew can't even lick the Sherman's feet. |
I like the counterpoint in "Jolly Holiday" and the new lyrics for "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious". I think the greatest loss in terms of the material that was cut is "The Life I Lead" and I think it's a bit of a cheat to use the reprise in "A Man Has Dreams" without establishing the original musical motif as is done in the film.
| nickhutson wrote: | | The previously mentioned songs were removed because they're nothing to do with the original Mary Poppins story. Suffragettes was a 1930s feminist movement, and the original stories are set in the very early 1900's... |
I believe the reverse is true. Someone has already mentioned the fact that the Suffragette movement was in motion by the turn of the century (19th into 20th). But the books were set in the 1930's and the transposition of the narrative into Edwardian period was done by Disney.
As for having nothing to do with the "Mary Poppins" story - well, the "rehabilitation" of the parents, which features in both the film and the stage show, was never really a feature of the books. The books basically consist of a series of episodic adventures. They are more like a series of short stories than a grand narrative. Disney decided to sew the patches of the story together with the story of Mr Banks (and Mrs Banks, to a lesser extent) learning to prioritise their family above their worldy cares. Neither adaptation draws this aspect of the story from the books, but it is what holds the film/show together. And the stage show simply doesn't crack this aspect of the narrative musically.
| bean_C4U wrote: | | However, one of the aims of the stage production was to give Mary Poppins a darker edge.... |
And as I have also said before - I have yet to be convinced that making something "darker" automatically makes it better.
Later days
David
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Sarahx
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Jeez, if you don't like the board. Don't come here. Simple as. Infact, you've put me off coming here. Well done!
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musikal_geek
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| Sarahx wrote: | | Jeez, if you don't like the board. Don't come here. Simple as. Infact, you've put me off coming here. Well done! |
wtf
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Dvarg
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Re: Comparisons and Cut Songs | RainbowJude wrote: | | I like the new lyrics for "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious". |
What do you think of the Supercali... choreography? From what I've seen on Youtube, it reminds me of Mary Poppins doing YMCA.
| RainbowJude wrote: | | I think the greatest loss in terms of the material that was cut is "The Life I Lead" and I think it's a bit of a cheat to use the reprise in "A Man Has Dreams" without establishing the original musical motif as is done in the film. |
The weirdest about this is that the replacement song does and sounds exactly like the original song. Why did they bother to cut it all, when they were going to replace it with a copy song anyway?
What do you think of Mrs Banks' new song? To me it sounds like it belongs to a different show. I also think Practically Perfect and Anything Can Happen spell out things that doesn't need to be spelled out. I think they are the best additions to the score, though, as they are the two numbers that most convincingly blend in with the original score.
One thing more, is that from the pictures I have seen, the production looks tastelessly glaring and gaudy. Is this because the gaudiness doesn't come through from a stage?
Btw, does anyone know why the Sherman bros were not composing the extra material?
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wicked_boy
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I know this is way old, but be HAPPY Salome. Don't get angry ot whatever because they added a new board you don't like. Just don't come on it, that's what I do, I've never even looked on some of the boards here.
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Sarahx
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| musikal_geek wrote: | | Sarahx wrote: | | Jeez, if you don't like the board. Don't come here. Simple as. Infact, you've put me off coming here. Well done! |
wtf |
What?
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i'm_back
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can we please cut out the negative attitudes
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wicked_boy
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| Sarahx wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | | Sarahx wrote: | | Jeez, if you don't like the board. Don't come here. Simple as. Infact, you've put me off coming here. Well done! |
wtf |
What? |
WTF = What the F*ck?
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Sarahx
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I know what it means,  But thanks anyway. I was asking, why WTF?
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pish123c
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | Salome wrote: | | ..and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked. |
Just because that is your opinion dosen't mean it's everybody elses.
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wicked_boy
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | pish123c wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | ..and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked. |
Just because that is your opinion dosen't mean it's everybody elses. |
I agree.
Salome, you do tend to say things in your opinion that something is bad, and post that sort of post all the time.
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Sweeney Hyde
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | wicked_boy wrote: | | pish123c wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | ..and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked. |
Just because that is your opinion dosen't mean it's everybody elses. |
I agree.
Salome, you do tend to say things in your opinion that something is bad, and post that sort of post all the time. |
How is that different from anyone stating their opinion anywhere. I mean...give me a break. We all know that we aren't going to agree with each other. If we were to say, "in my opinion" before every opinion we had...that phrase would dominate the boards. Use some common sense guys. We all do it...you're pointing at someone...but there are three fingers pointing back at you.
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pish123c
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | Sweeney Hyde wrote: | | wicked_boy wrote: | | pish123c wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | ..and not one for Ave Q or Dirty Rotten Scoundrels?? the two above mentioned hsaows are surefire hits and artistic successes. yet we have a forum for a slaugterd version of the disney film, plus forums for less than great shows like Wicked. |
Just because that is your opinion dosen't mean it's everybody elses. |
I agree.
Salome, you do tend to say things in your opinion that something is bad, and post that sort of post all the time. |
How is that different from anyone stating their opinion anywhere. I mean...give me a break. We all know that we aren't going to agree with each other. If we were to say, "in my opinion" before every opinion we had...that phrase would dominate the boards. Use some common sense guys. We all do it...you're pointing at someone...but there are three fingers pointing back at you. |
Yes, but she acts like her opinion is the end all be all in some cases. Then if anyone mildly disagrees she bites their heads off.
Just because I may like a certain show and want it to have its own forum dosen't mean I outright say any other show is crap.
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Salome
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: | | Sweeney Hyde wrote: | | I think Camelot deserves a forum before any more new ones are added, personally...one for Follies, but Camelot first. |
Follies first. Camelot is an OK show. Sorry Salome but it's true. Follies is the greatest musical ever written. |
yes but Camelot is a masterpiece as well..one of the 5 greatest.
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wicked_boy
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Re: Why was this Forum added.. | pish123c wrote: |
Yes, but she acts like her opinion is the end all be all in some cases. Then if anyone mildly disagrees she bites their heads off.
Just because I may like a certain show and want it to have its own forum dosen't mean I outright say any other show is crap. |
That's what I meant. :p
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RainbowJude
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Camelot | The REAL Ciaron wrote: | | Camelot is an OK show. Sorry Salome but it's true. |
| Salome wrote: | | Yes but Camelot is a masterpiece as well, one of the 5 greatest. |
I really like Camelot, but I struggle to think of it in a definitive version because there are so many versions floating around. I've never been able to reconcile the book of the show with the mostly brilliant score. The script I have has obviously changed since it was published and I don't know how close to the "official version" of the show the 1982 Harris DVD is. Even so, I'd be reluctant to put in on a list of of the 5 greatest musicals even if it has the potential to be extremely moving.
I'm sure there has been a thread about this before - but, Salome, if you feel like writing a bit about what is in and what is out of the "ofifical" version, I know I'd be interested to read it.
Later days
David
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mr.musical9
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| Salome wrote: | | London_Mungojerrie wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | No, I'm serious. alot better shows still dont have forums. and the stage version of Mary Poppins cuts the 4 best songs in the film. not to mention added new ones not even written by the Sherman Brothers. |
Have you seen Mary Poppins live in London?
What were these 4 "fantastic" songs that arn't in the stage show anyway?
And Stiles and Drew did a better job with the new songs than the Sherman Brothers could have ever done |
Life I Lead
Sister Surragate
I Love To Laugh
The Bank Song
stiles and drew cant even lick the Sherman's feet. lol |
they suck.
i like george and stiles' song better
if ask me,it's a masterpiece.
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musicalboy22
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i agree,
the new songs are amazing
ive seen this show twice and think its the best production ive seen
you need to understand the show before you say bad things about it
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