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Luc

Tim Burton to direct 'Alice in Wonderland,' in 2010

http://imdb.com/title/tt1014759/

Thoughts?
I'm really excited, actually.
pish123c

I'm expecting typical Tim Burton...You know, dark, spiral sets and backgrounds, dark colors, a whole "goth" vibe to things. It will be alternative and ~*~edgy~*~. And let me guess...Johnny Depp will be The Mad Hatter and Helena Bonham Carter will be The Red Queen? *Yawn*
PappyCat

I've disliked some of Tim Burton's films, but I'm always excited when they announce that he'll be directing something. I know it'll be interesting to say the least!
Wavy Blue

Personally I think that Burton's first film was his best (Pee Wee's Big Adventure) but he's has many other lovely films as well. I really think Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd were extremely well done, especially Charlie because it stuck SOOOOO close to the original book. Not to mention TNBC and Corpse Bride. Deeply moving and yet so tainted all the same. Its an art. I've said this before, but I really think its true: Burton is to filmmaking as Sondheim is to musicals.
Beagle On Stage

As others have said, it's typical to the point that I've gotten bored with him, and feel sure that I can predict most of the movie. Still, I'm a little interested in seeing this - and I haven't had even the slightest interest in seeing any of his work since the mid-90's. While I don't care for his style, I expect to enjoy this one.
PappyCat

Wavy Blue wrote:
I really think Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd were extremely well done, especially Charlie because it stuck SOOOOO close to the original book.


Woah, Where did you get that idea? I had heard that the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was closer to the book so I read it the night before seeing the Tim Burton movie and while it might have some elements that were closer (the Oompa Loompa songs) the ending was completely and utterly fictional. THAT big of a deviation is too much for me to say that it stuck SOOOOO (with 5 whole O's) close to the book.
Luc

PappyCat wrote:
Wavy Blue wrote:
I really think Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd were extremely well done, especially Charlie because it stuck SOOOOO close to the original book.


Woah, Where did you get that idea? I had heard that the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was closer to the book so I read it the night before seeing the Tim Burton movie and while it might have some elements that were closer (the Oompa Loompa songs) the ending was completely and utterly fictional. THAT big of a deviation is too much for me to say that it stuck SOOOOO (with 5 whole O's) close to the book.


The ending wasn't that different, was it?
PappyCat

The Willy Wonka backstory was completely fabricated. It was not part of the original book.
pish123c

PappyCat wrote:
Wavy Blue wrote:
I really think Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd were extremely well done, especially Charlie because it stuck SOOOOO close to the original book.


Woah, Where did you get that idea? I had heard that the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was closer to the book so I read it the night before seeing the Tim Burton movie and while it might have some elements that were closer (the Oompa Loompa songs) the ending was completely and utterly fictional. THAT big of a deviation is too much for me to say that it stuck SOOOOO (with 5 whole O's) close to the book.

Although I haven't seen the Tim Burton "Chocolate Factory..." I've heard that it strays from the key theme in the original film and novel that the entire thing is a metaphor for God/Sins/Getting sent to hell, etc.
Brock07

You know what I would love to see?

Because the entire world of Wonderland is a dream, I would LOVE (yes, in caps) to see Johnny Depp play ALL of the Wonderland characters.
Flitterbug

Heh, I love some of the eletist attitude here. It makes me feel so welcome to voice my opinion... Oh well, here I go anyway.

I like Tim Burton. I like his casting choices. I like his "gothic" way of doing things, and his often very distinctive set design and/or costumes. He has been my favourite director for a long time and I have yet to meet a movie of his that I have not liked.

Alice in wonderland is supposed to be completely psychotic. I think he'd do a brilliant job of it.

Now you can say I'm wrong and just a silly young thing who only likes him 'cos it's cool to do so. I wont mind, really. I get that a lot, especially from people who think something must come from X category/person in order to be good.
Orestes Fasting

I just can't picture him applying the dark-and-gothy schtick to Alice in Wonderland... it seems like it would lend itself better to the bright, oversaturated, slightly loopy style he used for the "By the Sea" sequence, the suburban neighborhood in Edward Scissorhands, and... um, pretty much all of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Flitterbug

I dont know about you, but watch Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in the right frame of mind and it's exceptionally creepy. I can see Alice and Wonderland as being something like that. *nods* Happy and bright on the outside of things, and creepier than it should be if you dont take it at face value.
Luc

^Completely agree, Orestes.



And, Mat- maybe I'm just really thick, but I didn't pick up on any subtext referring to Hell in Chocolate Factory. Question
Lepitot

I think he could interpret it either way.

Although, the only part of Charlie that I really like is the gloomy film noir-ish beginning. Once they get to the factory I don't care for it anymore.

And...where/ how on Earth is hell supposed to be a metaphor in Charlie??? lol
DontDoSadnessxx

Very Happy im kinda excited
pish123c

musikal_geek wrote:




And, Mat- maybe I'm just really thick, but I didn't pick up on any subtext referring to Hell in Chocolate Factory. Question


Lepitot wrote:


And...where/ how on Earth is hell supposed to be a metaphor in Charlie??? lol

The whole thing is a metaphor. Willy Wonka represents God, and when the children are tempted with the sweets and do bad things they are sent to the furnace (A.K.A. Hell). In the end Charlie is the only one who hasn't "sinned" and he goes into the glass elevator and soares into the sky.(A.K.A. Heaven) The metaphor is pretty hard to pick up at first but it's there all right. I don't remember where I picked up this information, but it must be out there somewhere, because I assure you I wasn't just making it up as I went along. Laughing

I was just having this conversation with Ashlynne last night, actually. Laughing
Monsieur D'Arque

Too late, Tim Burton. The 1995 version completely stole your style and, to be honest, there's not much other than Johnny Depp that's left for you to bring to the table on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZmktVFsCXE

Auntie's Wooden Leg and a 22-second note sustain ftw.
Flitterbug

I didn't particularly like that version. I mean, it was good... but for some reason I found myself thinking "bored, bored". And I'm pretty sure it combined happenings from Through the Looking Glass, which might have been why I felt it was dragging.
Sweeney Hyde

I do not want Johnny Depp in this film.
I do not want Helena Bonham-Carter in this film.

ALAN RICKMAN as the Mad-Hatter? YES.


...if they do anything from Through the Looking Glass...Timothy Spall as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum!

It could be good.
It could be terrible.
We shall see.
Salome

nooo ....Alan Rickman as the Caterpillar!

Timothy Spall as the Dutchess.

Helen Mirren would make a great Queen of Hearts.
Sweeney Hyde

Salome wrote:
nooo ....Alan Rickman as the Caterpillar!

Timothy Spall as the Dutchess.

Helen Mirren would make a great Queen of Hearts.
I could see either...but Rickman would have to act a bit goofier as Hatter...which is why I think I really want to see him do it.
Salome

I could see Tom Waits as a great Mad Hatter
AllThatJazzHands

Helen Mirren is a great choice, Salome! She would eat that part up. Alan Rickman as the Caterpillar would also be great.

Who should be/voice the Cheshire Cat? If Burton really wants Depp in this film, I could see him doing a voiceover.
JIJane

Dakota Fanning as Alice.
AllThatJazzHands

I think her or AnnaSophia Robb. She was in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory..I think she played Violet.
Brock07

If he wants Alice to look a little older, Jayne Weisner really looks the part.
Brackynn

I remember reading in a newspaper a while back that Lindsay Lohan was desperate to convince Burton to cast her as Alice.

*shudder*
Brock07

HA!
pish123c

Salome wrote:
nooo ....Alan Rickman as the Caterpillar!


That would be phenomenal!
Brock07

pish123c wrote:
Salome wrote:
nooo ....Alan Rickman as the Caterpillar!


That would be phenomenal!


OMG that would rock sooo much.

I think he should be the caterpillar and the caterpillar should sing. We didn't hear enough of him in Sweeney.
ConverseSneaker

Shocked OMG, OMG, OMG! I'd kill for an audition as Alice.


so...who do I have to kill? Wink
mezzo_soprano

Helena
Salome

she means for the role of Alice.
sopranodespair

I'm excited for this!
I love AIW and Tim Burton.
But I'm really scared about who's going to be cast as Alice.
Brock07

Why are you scarred? Tim wouldn't cast someone unless they could do it. Especially a child...he's done a great job finding unknowns and children before and he can do it again.
Monsieur D'Arque

I'm expecting Deep Roy as the Dormouse, as Burton loves using this little man wherever there is call for a small character.

Will Elfman write new songs for the project? Place bets now!
Brock07

I would say yes, probably....

Unless he is pissed at Burton because Burton didn't ask him to write the score for Sweeney Todd. Seriously, how dare Tim Burton not ask Danny Elfman to compose the music for his masterpiece. Whatev.





(note extreme sarcasm).
Mistress

I think Burton's gonna channel as much darkness ino this as possible, I think it'll be cool, but typical Burton, and I'll place money on Elfman adding music and Depp playing a part or two
mezzo_soprano

Salome wrote:
she means for the role of Alice.

I was Joking!!! (Hmmm . Mrs. Lovett in Wonderland Twisted Evil )
ConverseSneaker

What's the betting Alice ends up in the aslyum? It seems the majority of AIW fanfiction has that as the plot. And it certainly would add a darkness to it.
Beagle On Stage

ConverseSneaker wrote:
What's the betting Alice ends up in the aslyum? It seems the majority of AIW fanfiction has that as the plot. And it certainly would add a darkness to it.


It would seem to fit with what I expect from Burton, but I don't see it happening. I think it goes too far from the dark spin he's sure to put on it, turning it into a real horror story.

...there's "Alice in Wonderland" fan fiction?
ConverseSneaker

I haven't found a good one yet though, although the better ones are Alice in the aslyum. Twisted Evil

http://www.fanfiction.net/book/Alice_in_Wonderland/
Beagle On Stage

Wow. I totally learn something new every day.
MaryMag

i'd kind of be more excited if this happened:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0837156/
kozafluitmusique

this should definately be interesting.
The Duchess of Mint

Alice in Wonderland!

Dear Musicals.Net Posters,

Depp should play Lewis Carroll (I recently watched the 1970s version of the story, and L.C. appeared with the Liddle sisters at the beginning, and at the end, of the story). Depp could also portray either the Cheshire Cat or the Mad Hatter.

Someone who is rather interesting should portray Alice, because Alice must look more interesting than her sisters (after all, she captures Carroll's interest), and she must be a mixture of slightly snobbish indignance and childlike innocence.

I also think that Burton shouldn't shy away from a slightly more adult storyline. Carroll was actually a very public person in real life, but I think that if he and Alice weren't actually involved with each other, they were at least attracted to one another. That sort of mental (?) relationship should be alluded to.

I'm not saying that the movie should be totally inappropriate, but I don't think that people would be that shocked by mere suggestiveness.

Thanks in advance for your replies, and feel free to disagree with me, because I'm certain that some of you will disagree with me.
Wink
Beagle On Stage

Re: Alice in Wonderland!

The Duchess of Mint wrote:
Depp should play Lewis Carroll (I recently watched the 1970s version of the story, and L.C. appeared with the Liddle sisters at the beginning, and at the end, of the story).


I would feel like that was too much like "Finding Neverland" revisited.

I like using the context as a frame story, but I can't see it working with the style Burton is sure to use.
Monsieur D'Arque

He can't do the asylum thing. American McGee's Alice has that idea copyrighted, as does Marilyn Manson's upcoming Alice movie, I think.
sopranodespair

Re: Alice in Wonderland!

The Duchess of Mint wrote:
Dear Musicals.Net Posters,

I also think that Burton shouldn't shy away from a slightly more adult storyline. Carroll was actually a very public person in real life, but I think that if he and Alice weren't actually involved with each other, they were at least attracted to one another. That sort of mental (?) relationship should be alluded to.



I would like to see that. I'm a little obsessed with AIW and the relationship between Alice and Lewis Carrol.
Trevor reincarnate

Brock07 wrote:
You know what I would love to see?

Because the entire world of Wonderland is a dream, I would LOVE (yes, in caps) to see Johnny Depp play ALL of the Wonderland characters.


Yesssss. That would be crazy cool.
So Jim Carreyish. So Eddie Murphyish. So Tom Hanksish.
Joshua

Flitterbug wrote:
Heh, I love some of the eletist attitude here. It makes me feel so welcome to voice my opinion... Oh well, here I go anyway.

I like Tim Burton. I like his casting choices. I like his "gothic" way of doing things...

So because people aren't excited like you, they're elitist?
It seems to me it's you with the elitist attitude here.
benjivaudeville

Dream cast for me, presuming this is the same nature as CatCF, rather than quite a dark film. If it is darker, I'll definitely rethink a couple of my choices. (Will probably rethink a lot)

Alice - A brilliant unknown
White Rabbit - Alan Cumming
Caterpillar - Sir Ian McKellen
Duchess - Imelda Staunton
Cheshire Cat - Tim Curry
Mad Hatter - Robin Williams
March Hare - David Hyde Pierce (perhaps?)
Dormouse - Nathan Lane
Queen of Hearts - Judi Dench
King of Hearts - Alan Rickman
Gryphon - Christopher Walken
Mock Turtle - Gene Wilder

I'm a little unsure of my choices for the King, the March Hare and the White Rabbit. I figure the difference in ages (for King and Queen) won't matter so much since it'll be voice work... but apparently, it will be using similar techniques to Beowulf in which the actors are used as the base of the look of the characters with some tweaking. *shrug*

Any suggestions for White Rabbit? I can't think of anyone that seems to just fit.
sopranodespair

I heard a rumor that Johnny Depp wants to play Alice...
metaphor17

Wasn't Gene Wilder already the Mock Turtle in a version of AIW?
Orestes Fasting

Monsieur D'Arque wrote:
He can't do the asylum thing. American McGee's Alice has that idea copyrighted, as does Marilyn Manson's upcoming Alice movie, I think.


You can't copyright ideas.
Luc

Orestes Fasting wrote:
Monsieur D'Arque wrote:
He can't do the asylum thing. American McGee's Alice has that idea copyrighted, as does Marilyn Manson's upcoming Alice movie, I think.


You can't copyright ideas.


I was thinking the same thing...
"HEY! I THOUGHT OF THAT FIIIIRST!"
Salome

Depp could play Lewis Carroll..but he already played J.M. Barrie.
benjivaudeville

metaphor17 wrote:
Wasn't Gene Wilder already the Mock Turtle in a version of AIW?


Yes and he's now the only person I can think of in the role. I thought he was the highlight of the movie which had a lot of potential but just didn't feel like it worked. He and Martin Short ruled that movie.
Mistress

Re: Alice in Wonderland!

The Duchess of Mint wrote:
Carroll was actually a very public person in real life, but I think that if he and Alice weren't actually involved with each other, they were at least attracted to one another. That sort of mental (?) relationship should be alluded to.



I was under the impression that Alice Liddell/Liddle was a child when she knew Carroll...unless I'm wrong, a relationship would be totally innappropriate and creepy.
ConverseSneaker

Well....from what I learned off of Wikipedia....no one knows why he stopped seeing Alice and her family and all of his diary entries from the years he had known them are destroyed. So, obviously, if there is no proof, then there is rumors.
JIJane

The original Alice in Wonderland manuscript is in a museum in London. I know someone who saw it (not open to general public) and apparently there are a LOT of sexual inuendos (can't spell today), which clearly suggest that it was not meant as a children's story. There are notes next to certain words and phrases from the editor/publisher saying "must revise"" or "totally inappropriate" or "not publishable" - and similar. I wish I could see the book myself but I am going on what I have been told. Alice was most definitely a girl Carroll knew personally. It is not clear as to the details of their actual "relationship" but it is clear from the original manuscript that Carroll clearly saw her as more than a platonic "friend".
sopranodespair

^
I would so love to see that original manuscript.
Brock07

ConverseSneaker wrote:
Well....from what I learned off of Wikipedia....no one knows why he stopped seeing Alice and her family and all of his diary entries from the years he had known them are destroyed. So, obviously, if there is no proof, then there is rumors.


Wikipedia? Really? lol
Luc

The common story is that Alice is based on a child/children that Carroll saw regularly. The mother of the child(ren) claimed the relationship was inappropriate and refused to let her daughters see him again. Whether the mother is right or not is yet to be known for sure, I believe.

SOURCE: This was printed in the back of one of the many editions of "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland."
Brock07

Gosh I would kill to read that....they should publish it. I'm sure it would be a best seller.

I wonder if they are going to include Jabberwocky...
AllThatJazzHands

Jabberwocky is sooo cool. I love it!

I never knew Carroll knew a girl named Alice. It would be an interesting book to read.
The Duchess of Mint

Alice= Alice Liddle!

Dear Musicals.Net Posters,

The real Alice's name was Alice Liddle, and she was the second oldest, and the second youngest, of three sisters who spent much time with L.C.

I'm currently listening to the Jefferson Airplane song "White Rabbit/ Go Ask Alice", and I'm wondering if Burton would dare to present the story of "Alice in Wonderland" as a real drug trip.

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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