Yeslek
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This is Webber's BEST SHOW BAR NONEI'm actually not a big fan of ALW, but I think Evita is absolutely brilliant and inspired. Phantom is good, but can't hold a candle to this one. What do you think?
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Pounce
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Musically, I think JCS is ALW's best but Evita is up there. But I'm not happy how either show ends. They sort of end on a "wimper" leaving me feeling unfulfilled. CATS has a big finish and Phantom has an ending leaving the audience with chills. Evita just sort of....ends. There might be some sort of artistic meaning intended but to me the most important element of musical theater is ENTERTAINMENT. Evita is a great show but "the ball is dropped" musically at the end.
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Dvarg
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Re: This is Webber's BEST SHOW BAR NONE | Yeslek wrote: | I think Evita is absolutely brilliant and inspired.
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I agree. To me, the most important element of musical theatre is making people reflect and thereby expanding and nuancing their emotional capasity and their horizon of meaning and understanding. Directed the right way, Evita is ALW's best show, satirizing the effects of confusing politics with show business. JCS does put a critical light on religion and Christianity while S&D is a cornucopia of hummable tunes - Evita has both. It features also the best lyrics written for any ALW show.
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jcstar
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| Pounce wrote: | | Musically, I think JCS is ALW's best but Evita is up there. But I'm not happy how either show ends. They sort of end on a "wimper" leaving me feeling unfulfilled. CATS has a big finish and Phantom has an ending leaving the audience with chills. Evita just sort of....ends. |
To quote Che from the show: "Forgive my intrusion,"
1) Eva Peron's LIFE sort of... ends. Did you want a resurrection?
2) How does JCS make the audience feel "unfulfilled"? The audience is supoosed to ask the question like "was Jesus the Son of God or not?" JCS is supposed to be thought-provoking and piss people off.
Both prinicipal characters die in their respected stories/shows. I don't know of any story that ends with a character dying being a big bang ending.
Andy.
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Pounce
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| jcstar wrote: | | Pounce wrote: | | Musically, I think JCS is ALW's best but Evita is up there. But I'm not happy how either show ends. They sort of end on a "wimper" leaving me feeling unfulfilled. CATS has a big finish and Phantom has an ending leaving the audience with chills. Evita just sort of....ends. |
To quote Che from the show: "Forgive my intrusion,"
1) Eva Peron's LIFE sort of... ends. Did you want a resurrection? |
No. That would make the show's end very confusing.
| Quote: | | 2) How does JCS make the audience feel "unfulfilled"? The audience is supoosed to ask the question like "was Jesus the Son of God or not?" JCS is supposed to be thought-provoking and piss people off. |
Well, I didn't say that the audience feels "unfulfilled". I can only speak for myself and I didn't find the end satisfying. Les Miz has a satisfying ending where it sort of sums up what the show is about. JCS left me sort of hanging. The issue of the show didn't seem to leap out at me and even if I grant that it did, the show left me with the question but not the tools with which to decide.
| Quote: | | Both prinicipal characters die in their respected stories/shows. I don't know of any story that ends with a character dying being a big bang ending. |
Les Miz of course. In some ways Miss Saigon.
And the resurrection of Jesus would give JCS a bang ending (works for a lot of movies about Jesus  ) but the show could still use Caiaphas and the Sanhedron to cast doubt that it really happened. But even without a resurrection they might have thought of a stronger ending. For Evita, I'd have liked the Evita fanfare at the end at least.
For me, musical theater should follow a similar rule that stand-up comics follow of leav'em laughing or in the case of musical theater, leav'em in emotional song and/or music.
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jcstar
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I think that defeats the purpose of the shows.
JCS isn't about the Ressurection of Christ, because Judas is telling the story and doesn't believe that Jesus is God or the Son if God or whatever.
The whole point of JCS is Judas asking "Who are you? Tell me, now!! I want to believe in you, but I can't."
Having the resurection of Christ in Superstar is contradictory to Rice's libretto: "He's a man. He's just a man."
EVITA follows the same kind of idea: short life, die unexpectedly, leave legacy.
The story of Eva Peron is so bizarre, I don't even know where to begin.
Having never seen the show, I can't comment. But from the book and the music and the movie, the structure of the opera makes sense to me. We're not supposed to feel satisfied, because - even in death - Eva wanted to live forever... thus, her being embalmed hours after she passed away.
I would rather leave a show with a sense of "Holy sh!t" or crying or whatever than singing tunes.
I still can't shake the ending of CABARET when I saw the 2002/2003 Canadian/US tour. I was so scared. I was pinned to my seats with fright for 15 minutes. As I left the theatre, I was looking over my shoulder... to see if I was being chased by Nazi's.
I digress...
I forgot what I was going to say next.
Andy.
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Radames's_Angel
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Re: This is Webber's BEST SHOW BAR NONE | Yeslek wrote: | | I'm actually not a big fan of ALW, but I think Evita is absolutely brilliant and inspired. Phantom is good, but can't hold a candle to this one. What do you think? |
I absolutely agree, ALW tends to have 1 or 2 great songs and then the rest just keep the show going, but in Evita this is not the case, everything is awesome
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Mara
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I really like Evita, and I agree, the lyrics are amazing, especially in Rainbow High...."so Machiavell me" etc. GENIUS.
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