[diva!]

dont get me wrong, the lion king has fantastic set and costumes and the whole concept is really good- but really- its not as special as people make it out to be, its very similar to the disney film i felt, and i was not a fan of timon and pumba.

ALSO DIDNT LIKE HOW SCAR WAS WHITE..what? just cause hes a baddy? how racist! anyway im chatting about the west end production, i assume the broadway is similar!

[rockyrocks666]

i have to agree. it was a good show and i really enjoyed it, but it wasnt a fantastic show. im not bothered about seeing it again. the costumes were un deniably amazing and the sets were very clever, but the rest was very average. i cant say i approve of all these disney shows... isnt tarzan one now? lol. i didnt think much of beauty and the beast either. they have the budget, but when it comes down to it, they're based on cartoons.

[diva!]

glad u agree with me rockyrocks666...i am new here

[rockyrocks666]

us english have our heads on tight.

[diva!]

are we a minority here?

[rockyrocks666]

yeh, i think so, a little bit... i feel like old scar

[Nicely-Nicely]

Well I think The Lion King is special because of how the production team did it. I mean it's hard and challenging to do a musical with characters that are animals, you know?

[rockyrocks666]

yeah, its clever and 'special' but its by no means an AMAZING show

[diva!]

The way its done is fantastic dont get me wrong..but i personally feel thats the only thing it has going for it.

the beginning was the best bit for me

[rockyrocks666]

nah... the stampeed!

[B3TA07]

[rockyrocks666]

lol.

[The_Wicked]

Um... so maybe I'm a COMPLETE freak here but... I like the music. Call me crazy but I think it is very good.

[rockyrocks666]

*shrugs* its all right
it fits better to the movie i think

[Fantine]

It is based off the movie so how can you expect it to be different? I thought it was very different btw...

Not that you can take anyone serious when using spelling like that.

[rockyrocks666]

its got nothing to do with spelling. i cant take you seriously when you push someone elses opinion aside because of spelling. get a grip

[diva!]

too right!

its ok rockyrocks ive noticed fantine being rude/acting like she's better in other forums here as well. the only reason she requests correct spelling is because shes so dumb she can't understand it otherwise.

[olly]

[olly]

[The_Wicked]

People, is this any way to start a new year. Have compassion. The Lion King is a cat. Not a dog so appreciate that... Did it work? My RENT referral? Even if it didn't, that's okay. But this is obviously just going to accelerate to where someone either gets kicked off or goes and sets the Broadway production of the Lion King on fire... Make love not war. I am so damn cold I am going insane.

[rockyrocks666]

lol- love the rent refrence. i think the scar being white thing was partly humour, so lighten up a little guys. but seriously, it is odd that he's white...

[Fantine]

[rockyrocks666]

LMAO chill out fantine

[jadenbelle]

I think the only reason Scar is usually played by a white guy is to try to imitate as much of Jeremy Irons' performance in the movie

[rockyrocks666]

... thats a good point

[Fantine]

Maybe Scar is played by a white actor to emphasize the difference between the 'good' lions and the 'evil' ones?

[Colle]

I enjoyed the "Lion King," I would probably rate in somewhere in my top five favorite shows. I am white and I was not offended that Scar was played by a white man, though I can see why some might be.

I am curious, has anyone seen a black man play Scar?

[rockyrocks666]

FANTINE YOUR SO STUPID! thats the whole point of the comment you mug. why is scar white to show evil, thats racist!!! do you understand now? GEEZ!

[RyanJ]

[rockyrocks666]

lol, nah, shes just bein stupid really. she cant have a go at me for spelling when she doesnt even understand the discussion

[diva!]

LOL im beginning to utterly lack respect for a lot of people on this board.

HARDLY ANYBODY can take criticisms of musicals! im sorry but it just seems to me like a lot of you guys like any musical full stop. you dont take the time to notice their flaws and have a discussion about them

i realise not everyone is like this and i apologise to those who aren't, but it seems to me like people are swaying from the original intention of the post.

fantine- this is not about spelling, what if one of us has learning difficulties, then how would u feel if u just told somebody they cant spell!

THINK before you do things like that- or better yet dont do them at all and focus on the topic!


SO ...no i dont ACTUALLY think it was racist, it was partly humour about scar being white. however surely it is racist if white people are used to show an evil character?



PS it is people like Colle who i respect on this board. they put forward their view without starting an argument..thanks for ur (oh sorry...YOUR*) input Colle

[The_Wicked]

Come on guys! Chill! Agree to disagree agreeably. This topic isn't about racism, it's about The Lion King being overrated (which I disagree with btw). I have seen a black scar and I have seen a white Simba and Zazu is usually white. I don't think there is much of a hidden meaning behind this casting. Make peace and go eat a peanut butter cookie. They always make you feel better. Have a nice day!

[The_Wicked]

So definately the above post didn't show on my computer until just now. Well put, diva!

[rockyrocks666]

lol- im allergic to peanuts.
but yeh, diva is right

[RyanJ]

ok, well I'm going to make a post on-topic.


I like the Lion King. I think it's a great musical, I'd recommend it to anyone. Racist or not, however, I think it's very common for almost all the lead roles to be played by blacks. It just seems natural. It's hard for me to explain, and if it's racist, then fine, but race does play a role in casting some shows.

I can see why people would get tired of the constant praise for a show. I'm tired of people making Phantom seem like some kind of masterpiece. I didn't find it too good, and I thought the music was boring. But still, whatever floats your boat.

[The_Wicked]

Allergic to peanuts?! No wonder you were mad! M&M cookies are good then too. So I'm gonna be a hypocrate and deviate from the subject a little... does anyone know of another cast recording of the Lion King? Like a UK cast or a tour cast or something? I want to actually hear another Simba besides Jason Raize (although I love him more than anything in the world ever).

[diva!]

yeah i mean i wasnt offended, and obviously a majorly black cast is sort of intergral- it IS set in africa. i was just joking really- but it does bring up some issues. which we've discussed to death so i will drop it now!

glad to see some people agree. its not BAD. i dont claim it to be BAD. but overrated is all!

[The_Wicked]

Ryan J. I could kiss you. I won't but I could. Phantom is very overrated in my opinion too. Regardless, I am happy there is peace on this board once again.

[olly]

[B3TA07]

[Fantine]

[rockyrocks666]

im not twelve actually, if ur gunna say it check it out first!

[rockyrocks666]

fantine, stop being a loser. you just cant take it coz u know that you didnt understand. and i couldnt give a shit about my spelling or anything like that, at least i know what i'm talking about

[Fantine]

[RyanJ]

You not only seem like a 12 year old on the boards, but your credits include to the best of my knowledge mostly child roles. It would make plenty of sense if you were in fact a 12 year old whose parents don't know is on the internet.

[rockyrocks666]

either way a twelve year old isnt an 'its'
i have played lots of younger roles, because i played them when i was a bit younger. so what? there are also older credits on there aswell, it dont bother me.
my posts arent like a 12 year old, its just annoying to be dissed for your own opinion when the person doesnt really understand what your opinion, or even part of the discussion actually is.
i didnt come here to be rude, but i thought that the spelling comment was a bit rude and i wasnt rude at all before that.
and i do actually know what im talking about, thank you very much

[diva!]

[rockyrocks666]

nicely put diva!

[Fantine]

[diva!]

ur right, u did express a view. which is perfectly fine.

didnt need the sarcastic comment about spelling afterwards though did you?

[B3TA07]

Hey now, .

You still need reminders of how to spell simple words, it would seem.

[rockyrocks666]

but is that really relavent (dont care if i spelt it wrong) ?

[B3TA07]

It is indeed relevant.

[rockyrocks666]

like i said, i couldnt care less! you're just being pathetic now! i dont come on forums and spell check everything before i post. im not here for spelling, im here because i like musicals.

[Fantine]

If you don't care, why don't you shut up.

[rockyrocks666]

why should i? im only defending myself here!

[rockyrocks666]

oh by the way fantine, although i dont really like you, i have to say your les mis icons are real good.

[Fantine]

[rockyrocks666]

lol

[rockyrocks666]

i do come across badley at first, but i am only trying to defend myself. but i think that im pretty good at fixing first impressions, so hopefully you will realise that im not trying to argue, even though it probably comes across that way.

[diva!]

OKAY Fantine:


Spelling mistake one-

[Fantine]

[diva!]

and that person is you.

you ruin the fun of a forum for everyone.


u C U N T

[rockyrocks666]

[quote="Fantine"]
Someone has some serious issues
[/quote]

dont go over board with this. 'serious issues'??? thats just taking the mick!

[diva!]

PS FANTINE : u have collectively posted 4529 posts...ever.


This, quite frankly, speaks wonders about your personal life and i should have expected you to have serious social skills deficiencies.

[rockyrocks666]

dam,... i wish i knew how to use quotes properly. lol

[Fantine]

[rockyrocks666]

you could probably use the 'grown up' line for anything though, to be fair

[Fantine]

[rockyrocks666]

why not? you cant tell me where to be and where not to be? are you trying to chuck me out now?

[Fantine]

[diva!]

im sorry i cant do this anymore.

its making a mockery of the forum - its not for arguments fantine.

we disagree on the lion king thing, fine. lets not turn this into an argument on a personal level...i apologise for calling you that as well.

it was wrong of me. musicals is why we are here- not to argue, and its not about spelling or anything else.

s o l e t s j u s t r e l a x

god love you fantine- its been a fun ride XxX

[Fantine]

Accepted.... Even though I don't believe in God

[rockyrocks666]

someone hit the breaks

[diva!]

yeah i dont either lol but its a bit of a hoot either way

[olly]

No, for God sake; this is the only reason I love this thread: the banter! Come on! - Rocky and Diva - you can't spell on this board even though you should - and Fantine... get arguing again! This is fun!

























Ok, Jokes. I actually admire both sides' ability to sign a peace.

[rockyrocks666]

lol looking back, we are sorta funny

[diva!]

lol i love the banter too

im sure we'll start another one up somewhere tho! so keep ur eyes peeled!
ha

[Fantine]

Oh please.

[rockyrocks666]

oh come on fantine, you love it.

[MusicFan]

[The_Wicked]

Phantom and CATS are both RIDICULOUSLY Overrated. Your statement is quite contradictory MusicFan because you say that they cannot be overrated but that is indeed your opinion... so... some people big up these shows and while you feel that they may be worhty of such praise, others will feel that they don't deserve it. It's all in opinions. Such as my opening sentance. See? It's all in the eye of the beholder.

[MusicFan]

[Fantine]

Actually the Phantom of the Opera is my favourite musical.

[rockyrocks666]

its a good'n

[Pounce]

Topic is
not

[rockyrocks666]

so true... what a clever person!

[The_Wicked]

Oh sorry MusicFan. I misread your comment. Lol. I actually wasn't getting mad I was just trying to point out something. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

[MusicFan]

My mistake

[Mia]

Diva, I know it's a bit off topic but I really wanted to ask if you saw the show in West End lately, with Brian Makiwane in the role of adult Simba, cause I remember my sister introducing us in Los Angeles (they were both part of the cast). I heard he's in London now and my sis used to tell me he's such a great vocalist.

[rockyrocks666]

i saw the show in the west end a couple of months ago, but i dont have a cast list for it what does he look like, coz i have a souvenier brochure. diva saw it like a year or two ago.

[Mia]

Aw...I think he's been there since 2003 or so...I just remember he had tiny dreadlocks back then but I guess those must have grown now...he actually was (is) a normal dark skinned guy with a really special smile . He plays adult Simba, I checked the homepages and I found it (how smart am I ). Now I think I will have to go see it in London

[LoneWanderer]

Crap...the argument is over. Not gonna lie, I read through this thread looking forward to being able to poke some fun...as too many easy to poke fun of things were said.

Anywho...as far as phantom and cats being overrated, though I would question thing thing regarding getting bad reviews, they are widly loved. They are not deserving of such love and popularity, as there are many better shows out there. Thus, overrated. Everyone in my school who doesnt know many musicals but knows a few LOVES phantom...and cats...and rent...and wicked. None of those shows are deserving of all the fandom at all.

[MademoiselleMusicals]

Well the Lion King looks good - i would go see it for the costumes and make up for sure.

[Cazzy Mcsnazzy]

I love the lion king. Its the only musical that has made me cry in the 1st 5 minutes. Even my dad cried and he NEVER cries. It just overwhelmed me. It is amazing. xxx

[beck]

[broadwaybelle22]

That is not racism. Jeez, people need to stop overanalysing things and just learn to enjoy stuff for what it is.

[ald24601]

Not only that, there is the issue with some of the songs being in african llanguages. i know a few are in Zulu, and a few sections are in xhosa, a click language.

[Gwen]

Sheesh....
Has anyone seen the extra features on the lion king dvd? They have some pretty cool stuff on it.
Cats, Wicked, Lion King,and Rent being overrated?
Well, I'm a Cats fan, but I'm not being biased when I say I don't think it's overrated. Wicked I think is over-rated, but not Rent. Lion King...I would say it's pretty good- even if it is Disney. (And Lion King is my favorite Disney movie anyway, but still....)

[broadwaybelle22]