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unwrittenx90

Silly Girl who is VERY upset!!!

hey everyone soo pretty much I just got cast as a silly girl and im extremely upset, actually in a depression, I tried out for belle, got a call back and than got a second call back with 2 seniors who got belle and ms potts and this other 10th grader who also got a silly girl ( im a senior) I REALLY wanted a good part this year im a senior and ive been so dedicated to drama im the vice president and i worked SO hard on my song its so upseting.. i really wanting belle or babette and he ---- me over so can anyone please shed some light on this situation
mastachen

Edit: Previous inappropriate joke edited.


And no I don't think you deserved the part you got. With your attitude, you should be thankful the director even let you be in the show. Just because you're a senior and VP of your drama club doesn't mean you're entitled to any of the leads. Sorry. For BATB, this seems to be a common theme here. Nobody likes the roles that they get. Confused
wicked_boy

Get over it, there's gonna be a load of auditions you wont even get in the show.

This business is hard.
MusicalGal1194

Well here's how I see it:
You are the VP of the Drama Club, which makes me believe that you have had major roles before. You are also a senior. This makes me believe that your director probably just wanted to let some other kids have the spotlight this time. But! The Silly Girls are an amazing, fun role that I think you could do a lot with. Be happy with what you have, because the situation is not changing.
me-shellmybelle

I know how you feel. I was super dedicated to the theater program at my school, I mean I did EVERYTHING. Senior year rolled around and our musical was BATB, which happens to be my obsession. I worked really hard but was cast as a Silly Girl.
But heres the thing, I had soooo much fun with that part. You get to ham it up more then almost anyone in the entire show. People were so impressed with us Silly Girls.
Dont let this get you down because it really is a great part and a great show. You have the decision on whether or not you are going to let yourself have a great time and basically make your senior year or let this ruin everything.
Charlotte_Lucyx

Ok. So yes i think you have a nice voice, but i think that people who complain that they deserve parts really annoy me.

If you truly love theatre, you would enjoy it whatever part you play, so just shut up your whining.
unwrittenx90

Ok I know its a little much that im this upset but i cant help it ! im a drama queen and i havent gotten any leads the most ive gotten is one singing solo and everyone even says I deserved belle also the girl who got babette its her first year in drama and the director has never even seen her act!! and I had a main part in the dramas fall play with acting and everyone loved it .. I dn where I went wrong =[
Celeste_SM

Maybe you're more trouble than you're worth? Sometimes the better performer loses out on a role to someone who is slightly less talented but much more directable and easy to work with. Since you described yourself as a drama queen, I can see that being part of the issue.

Just a guess. I don't know you or your competition.

Rejection sucks, but it's part of this game. Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it. Otherwise you will never be succesful, because you'll be so hung up on what you didn't get that you can't put your energy toward the best possible performance on what you did get. Your sub-par performance will be noticed and you will continue to not get the roles you want. It's a bad cycle.
unwrittenx90

sub-par performance... meaning... what?
Robinflamingo

unwrittenx90 wrote:
Ok I know its a little much that im this upset but i cant help it ! im a drama queen and i havent gotten any leads the most ive gotten is one singing solo and everyone even says I deserved belle also the girl who got babette its her first year in drama and the director has never even seen her act!! and I had a main part in the dramas fall play with acting and everyone loved it .. I dn where I went wrong =[


I'm a high school director. Here's my take on it: You had a main part in the fall play. The director is probably trying to spread parts around, and knows what a blast the Silly Girls can be with experienced people. Since you already had a lead this year, he decided you would be a good backbone for the Silly Girls. It's hard when you have more seniors than leads, and often I've made the same decision - the person who had the lead in the fall play gets a smaller part in the musical, all things being equal.

At any rate, it's a great show and fun to be in. I hope you can enjoy it. The Silly Girls are so much fun!
ConverseSneaker

Just because you may have been the best actor doesn't mean you deserve the lead. Maybe you didn't have the right chemistry with the others, or you've caused too much drama or didn't quite deserve it. Or maybe your director put you as a Silly Girl to bump up the quality of the smaller parts, or to test your acting skills.

You might have deserved Belle, but the question is, did you earn it?



*Note: this poster has little sympathy for you, because she is currently in your position, except even worse. And she's not making all the complaints you are because she has accepted it and is working harder than the others and ignoring all slights of her talent.
And she tends to be a little bitter when she sees someone complain like this.
Celeste_SM

unwrittenx90 wrote:
sub-par performance... meaning... what?


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/subpar

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sub-Par

Not measuring up to traditional standards of performance, value, or production.
PappyCat

You have to be right for the part. Just because you get roles in other shows doesn't guaruntee you a part in another. Your director thought someone else fit the part better.

Also, directors have to take a lot of things into consideration. For B&tB, Belle has to have chemistry with the Beast, be the right hight/size in comparison, etc.

You should never feel like you are entitled to a part.
ElphietheGreen03

Sorry that you didn't get the role that you wanted but look at the positives: You had a lead in the fall play which i'm sure was amazing, you've probably had so many fun memories in your drama department, you've been dedicated to drama which is something to be proud of, and you still get a really fun part in the show! Take the role you've been given and put everything you've got into it. Maybe you'll even end up being glad that you didn't get another part. Good Luck!
unwrittenx90

I never felt " entitled to a part" I just feel really hurt and also the girls who got babette and madame who of been very happy with silly girls also being madame is a sick actress but cant sing to save her life.. i just thought this would be my year to get an actual name in the musical.. it would of been nice
musikal_geek

Welcome to the life of musical theatre.
It sucks.
stagefrightdied

Let me rephrase: griping and complaining doesn't help anyone at all. This over-used cliche applies right now- There are no small parts, only small actors. and silly girl isn't even a small part, it's totally awesome!
ilovebway

Honestly, I find threads like these quite ridiculous.

You do have a "name" in the show. You're a Silly Girl. Awesome role. If you decide to keep that sort of attitude, then give the cast and crew a favor and quit. They won't tolerate you.
star2ballie

Grow.

Up.
musikal_geek

If it's that big of a deal that you're a Silly Girl, then quit the show. No one wants to work with a poor sport. And I wouldn't reccomend auditioning again, either. Rejection happens.
EponineMNFF

I slightly disagree with some of the people who have posted here. While I agree that you should keep a good attitude during rehearsals because a. you'll have more fun and b. other people won't feel as bad, I think you have a right to be upset for a few days. My director always says, it's okay to mourn over not getting a role for a day or two as long as you don't hurt other people, and I agree with that.

I'm in a similar situation, where I came really close to getting the title role in the Scottish Play and lost it to someone younger, and I understand that it's disappointing. But try to remember that there are a lot of things that go into casting besides just talent (and I do think the fact that you got a lead in the fall play did play into it, though I can't say for sure, since I don't know your director).

You'll have an awesome time if you let yourself (I'm working on that too with the Scottish play) and from what I've heard, everybody LOVES the Silly Girls!

One of the best directors I've ever had always says that you have to serve the story; sometimes to serve the story you can't get the part you want. By working hard to improve the play, you'll help yourself. (Before rehearsals, we'd always say "We serve the story and not ourselves; by serving the story we serve ourselves.")

So those are the words of wisdom I can offer. Break a leg! You'll have an awesome time!
stlgurl702

star2ballie wrote:
Grow.

Up.


Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SunriseSunset

About not having a name in the play:

EVERY character has a name, and when you character has a name like "woman #4" in all my cases the director has let me and encouraged me to give woman #4 a real name. If you're an actor you have the ability to take a role with one line and create an entire back story to the character, creating the character itself. And when every actor that has a "small part" is playing THEIR character that they created the entire show becomes 100000 times better because of all the little bits of personality derived from giving your character greater meaning.

I understand if you didn't get any of that, I can't really put what I'm trying to say into words very well. And I do have a little bit of sympathy for you because the same thing happens to me, but all you have to do is say to yourself, "Well, maybe _______ would play Belle differently than I would, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve what she got. The director cast us in different roles for a reason and I should make the best with what I'm given." Then move on. Trust me, it works.

Good luck to you.
godspizzle56

Honestly, the same exact thing happened to me last year. I survived, you will too.

Whatever you do, don't complain or be a diva. It will only hurt you for the future.
wom

Every role is important. Acting is a team sport. If you're not on the team, don't play.
unwrittenx90

Well I would just like to say thank you to all the good and bad comments and that you have even taken the time to read this i can understand why some of you would find this ridiculous i was just really sensitive about this one because i worked so hard and i wasnt expecting anything less than babette because he did ask me to stay after and sing with 2 other girls who got ms potts and belle but i guess everything happens for a reason thank you everyone =]
AnnieER25

So, I took the time to watch your video and based on that alone, obviously I can't compare you to anyone else that auditioned, but I would not have used you for Belle. If you want a no-holds-barred critique as to why I would be happy to PM you one. I don't like publicly critiqing people on forums.

Having said that here's a little insight as to why you may or may not be cast in a show: director's vision and total package. I have a friend that is never disappointed with casting decisions even when it affects her negatively because she believes a director should cast whomever the director thinks is the best for the roles, not who everyone else would have picked. Another friend who graduated from the Tisch School of the Arts learned, while there, to think of herself as a package. She may be the best singer and/or the best actor for a role but if the whole package doesn't suit what the director is looking for then so be it.

So think of it in those terms. What does your "package" lack? I always know going into an audition that if the director wants a strong dancer I am out. I lost a role last season because I couldn't dance it and another girl could. There was another role that I was up for (the one I wanted more than anything), but this time I lost out because of my look (my face is too innocent looking for me to come across as being streetwise). The director said in both instances it wasn't a question of whether I could sing or act the roles. Was I disappointed? Sure, but I knew that I lacked a necessary component to playing the roles. At least I can get dancing lessons and do something about that. I can't (won't) change how I look for a role. If I had been casting the show the roles would have gone with the better singers/actors, but again that goes back to the director's vision. We have two different ideas as to what's most important when casting a role. Heaven help us if we ever end up having to cast a show together!

As for the lead in the fall play leading to a lead in the musical, look at it this way... in my high school the same kids got all the leads year after year. Was that fair to the other students who worked their butts off too? This season I had a lead in the first play, I have a role in the middle show and I really want the lead in the next show, but I don't think that I should get it. Why? Because I think it's somebody else's turn. Plus, I'll be just as happy in the chorus, because I love doing shows for the sake of being in theatre. For a while I had forgotten that and I too only wanted the glory of the leads. I'm so happy I found my way back.

FYI- I got more out of playing Chava in Fiddler than I've ever gotten out of playing any other role. You'd be amazed how much you can get out of playing the smaller roles versus the leads. Plus another downside to playing a lead is missing out on the fun you get to have hanging out with the rest of the ensemble. Playing a lead can be lonely at times. With the way J&H rehearsals were broken up I pretty much only got to see the people I had scenes with until the last three weeks.

Cheer up. You'll be fine soon enough and you'll end up having a blast if you just let go of your disappointment and allow yourself to enjoy it. It's your last high school show. You'll regret it if you waste it on being miserable.

Sorry this was so long, but I just had so much to say and I didn't feel like editing myself. Smile
SuperKabob

AnnieER25 wrote:
So, I took the time to watch your video and based on that alone, obviously I can't compare you to anyone else that auditioned, but I would not have used you for Belle.


I'd have to agree with her on that.

But coming from someone who is used to not-leads, it is really up to you to make your part be fabulous and memorable. It will show if you blow off the show because you're mad about what you lost out on, as it will also show if you put a lot of effort into your part.

And if you're still not satisfied with your involvement in the show, ask about assistant musical-directing or choreographing, or being in a crew that isnt involved during the actual performance (like publicity or costumes to a degree).

I'm sure you'll find a way to enjoy the last show at your school!

(Something to think about: Go into an audition not "expecting" anything and you'll always be happy if you're cast!)
unwrittenx90

heyy thank you for your insights I wouldnt cast me for belle either i would cast me for babette but i really just think our belle is SO untalented and so does everyone else.. but in any case ive never really taken singing lessons besides a few .. i guess i cant really compete with years of training .. i mean i would love to take more lessons but there really expensive and my parents cant really afford it =/ but PLEASE message me and tell me what you think at

unwrittenx90@aim.com
wom

So stop discussing it with everyone else. The cast shouldn't be sitting around bashing each other's lack of talent even if you really believe it. If it's THAT bad, why would you want to be in the show? I would be embarrassed. If you're on board, get on board. If not, get off. But don't sit around and badmouth the show and the actors and the directors and encourage idle gossip and then expect a good show out of it.
iheartmusic2

First, I want to tell everyone who is giving unwrittenx90 crap right now that they should drop dead. I saw what you guys said to to falia dahn on a different post and you are all pretty mean!

The "cry me a river and build a bridge over it" was uncalled for. Also the "take a Prozac" remark. As someone who IS on an antidepressant, that kind of stuff is truly offensive, not just to the person it is aimed at, but potentially for anyone else who reads it.

Telling people who are upset or who are doubting themselves to "grow up" is thoughtless. Being the one who seconds the post is even more annoying. YOU should grow up!

UnWritten:

I saw your video on youtube and I thought: (1) you have great vocal projection, which is important for Belle, (2) that you have the whole dark-hair-thing going, which is also very Belle, (2) that you aren't afraid to act during a song.

The bad part was, you kind of over-acted a bit, but then would just stand there during the instrumentation. If you did those awkward gestures during your audition, I can understand the director maybe going for someone more graceful, but not necessarily as good of a singer. I would really work on connecting with the song and reigning it in, next time around. Even your facial expressions were a little over-the-top.

But, again, your voice and range were very nice. A little shrill on the higher notes, but I think it's just the recording and the acoustics of the room you were in.

I understand how you feel.

I was up for Belle, too. And you know why I didn't get her? Because I was only two inches shorter than the actor they wanted for Beast. I was the best actress, the best singer, and looked the most like the character, but they ended up going for a girl who isn't even five feet tall, because she looked better standing next to the kid playing the Beast.

And that's that. And I've NEVER played a lead at my high school, and I'm a senior, too. At least you just had a part in the fall play!

But being a Silly Girl is so much better than being a spoon!

I think people get so upset when they don't get the lead or the second fiddle because they subconsciously fear that this means people will think they weren't good enough. But that really isn't an issue with this play, because there are no "big" supporting parts for girls -- even Babette is small. She only sings one line by herself!

No one's going to think the less of you for getting a Silly Girl, because, besides Mrs. Potts (who isn't an option for a yong, pretty thing like you) and Babette, the Silly Girls are the best parts to get! And maybe you didn't get Babette because the director got it into his head that you couldn't tango, or you didn't work with his Lumiere, or you wouldn't be able to pull of the French accent.

Whatever.

But you should really think about this for a week or two. If you remain upset and hate your part, maybe you should drop out. You're a senior -- you've got nothing to lose. But I personally say you should stay in the show and be nice to the girl who got Belle over you. I was miserable for about a week after I was cast, but now I'm rehearsing and, even though I barely have any lines, I'm having so much fun!

There are a whole bunch of first-time performers in our show this year, and instead of talking to Belle, they hang out around me! I think it's because she's always sitting onstage, watching people dance around her, or getting yelled at by the Beast. (LOL!!) I can sit with people and talk with them. We're only in week three of rehearsals, but already me and my posse have all these inside jokes and everyone wants to sit with us and everything.

If you're a drama queen, hijack the show. Be the one who always gets the most attention from Gaston. Push the other Silly Girls out of your way! Get into character! Be FUNNY!

People will remember you by the time curtain call comes around, and -- if the Belle in your show is as mediocre as ours -- the audience will acknowledge it when it comes time to clap.

If you'd like to talk more, you can totally PM me.
happyguava

Great post.

iheartmusic2 wrote:
First,I think people get so upset when they don't get the lead or the second fiddle because they subconsciously fear that this means people will think they weren't good enough.


I can totally relate. With the whole Grease kerfuffle, I was only upset about missing out on Rizzo or Marty for a week or so. The thing that kept stinging was the fact that I thought I was better than that, and it made me look so untalented and incompetent.
wicked_boy

musikal_geek wrote:
Welcome to the life of musical theatre.
It sucks.


If only someone told me that when I was six, that would have stopped a lot of my bratty tantrums over the years whenever I faced rejection. I don't care anymore, I just go out and audition for more stuff...

and hope the show I got rejected for fails miserablly.
BroadwayBaby0202

Oh goodness. This happens to every actor at some point. Your time will come, I promise.

Just...don't complain in the meantime. It makes things a lot worse.
unwrittenx90

iheartmusic2 wrote:
First, I want to tell everyone who is giving unwrittenx90 crap right now that they should drop dead. I saw what you guys said to to falia dahn on a different post and you are all pretty mean!

The "cry me a river and build a bridge over it" was uncalled for. Also the "take a Prozac" remark. As someone who IS on an antidepressant, that kind of stuff is truly offensive, not just to the person it is aimed at, but potentially for anyone else who reads it.

Telling people who are upset or who are doubting themselves to "grow up" is thoughtless. Being the one who seconds the post is even more annoying. YOU should grow up!


thank you sooo much for defending me and seriously alot of peoples quotes helped me alot but yours is by far the best ! thank you so much you dont know how much better this made me feel !! If you want to IM me my sn is unwrittenx90@aim.com because i would love to talk more if not its ok thank you so much again!!
Fantine

Re: Silly Girl who is VERY upset!!!

unwrittenx90 wrote:
hey everyone soo pretty much I just got cast as a silly girl and im extremely upset, actually in a depression, I tried out for belle, got a call back and than got a second call back with 2 seniors who got belle and ms potts and this other 10th grader who also got a silly girl ( im a senior) I REALLY wanted a good part this year im a senior and ive been so dedicated to drama im the vice president and i worked SO hard on my song its so upseting.. i really wanting belle or babette and he ---- me over so can anyone please shed some light on this situation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7VES749qr0

this is me singing home.. tell me if you think i deserved the part i got


Not being harsh here, just honest and trying to help.

I do indeed think you're not suited for Belle. Your singing skills are more or less okay (I think there is much room for improvement), but for a lead such as Belle they really need to improve. Of course (as has already been said) I can't judge the others who have been cast. As for your singing, try to smoothen the higher parts a bit. They sound kind of harsh now.
Also try to build more of a climax into the song. (I worked on 'Home' myself during my singing lessons). Build a story into the song. Start with singing soft, more like speaking, then add sadness, then when the songs speeds up add more volume but don't shout.
Just keep singing, keep practising and you'll improve.

And the comments like: - You have brown hair, that is more Belle like - Are just plain rubbish. I'm used to seeing a blonde Belle and there was nothing wrong with that. You won't get a role based on your looks or how important you have been in the past. It's talent that matters. If you didn't get it this time, work on it, improve, and you'll get it next time. Don't sit down and sob.
mastachen

iheartmusic2 wrote:
First, I want to tell everyone who is giving unwrittenx90 crap right now that they should drop dead. I saw what you guys said to to falia dahn on a different post and you are all pretty mean!

The "cry me a river and build a bridge over it" was uncalled for. Also the "take a Prozac" remark. As someone who IS on an antidepressant, that kind of stuff is truly offensive, not just to the person it is aimed at, but potentially for anyone else who reads it.



I made the Prozac remark and I made it for this reason: I'm an aspiring psychiatrist, and I truly hate it when people throw around the word "depression." The profession is already getting no respect as it is, and people who throw those words around are only making the issue worse. If she is truly clinically depressed, well then, I apologize for offending people. If not, then she should reconsider her wording to not be so dramatic.
SuperKabob

iheartmusic2 wrote:
First, I want to tell everyone who is giving unwrittenx90 crap right now that they should drop dead. I saw what you guys said to to falia dahn on a different post and you are all pretty mean


Well there's a great way to start off a post. I cant find one mean comment in this thread. Realistic, yes. Honest, yes. But mean I can't find.

We're nice enough people. Just most of us (as you can see) have zero tolerance for people whining about a part they lost.
AnnieER25

Re: Silly Girl who is VERY upset!!!

Fantine wrote:
And the comments like: - You have brown hair, that is more Belle like - Are just plain rubbish. I'm used to seeing a blonde Belle and there was nothing wrong with that. You won't get a role based on your looks or how important you have been in the past. It's talent that matters. If you didn't get it this time, work on it, improve, and you'll get it next time. Don't sit down and sob.


I just have to say that I have personal experience with being told I was the best for the part when it came to the talent aspect but lost out based on my "innocent" look. I know I said that in my post earlier, but when I read things like the above I can't help but think, how naive. Like I said when I cast I go based on talent alone. My friend goes based on looks and then complains that the people she casts can't pull of the roles. Evil or Very Mad She frustrates the heck out of me, but she doesn't learn and does it every time! So even though we'd all like to believe that it's only based on talent many of us know the dark side of theatre politics. Sometimes it's based on who knows you and who doesn't. I've had directors I've worked with tell me that if two people audition and the one they know can pull off the role, even if they don't audition as well as the person they don't know, they'll go with the person they know, because they know what to expect from them. And then they wonder why the theatre gets the repuation of being a tight clique. Rolling Eyes

unwrittenx90- I can only assume that you got my critique. I hope you took it as constructive and helpful.
unwrittenx90

mastachen wrote:

I made the Prozac remark and I made it for this reason: I'm an aspiring psychiatrist, and I truly hate it when people throw around the word "depression." The profession is already getting no respect as it is, and people who throw those words around are only making the issue worse. If she is truly clinically depressed, well then, I apologize for offending people. If not, then she should reconsider her wording to not be so dramatic.


seriously just stfu i didnt post this for people like you to be dicks to me i posted it in hopes that people would give me advice on how to improve or constructive criticism so if your going to be obnoxious dont post in this forum anymore.
Joshua

unwrittenx90 wrote:
mastachen wrote:

I made the Prozac remark and I made it for this reason: I'm an aspiring psychiatrist, and I truly hate it when people throw around the word "depression." The profession is already getting no respect as it is, and people who throw those words around are only making the issue worse. If she is truly clinically depressed, well then, I apologize for offending people. If not, then she should reconsider her wording to not be so dramatic.


seriously just stfu i didnt post this for people like you to be dicks to me i posted it in hopes that people would give me advice on how to improve or constructive criticism so if your going to be obnoxious dont post in this forum anymore.


No you didn't. You posted this because you thought people here would give you sympathy for not getting cast as what you thought. But instead, they gave you a reality check and showed you that no one is owed anything in theatre and you don't like it. Sorry that no one feels bad for you.

EDIT:
And now would be a good to time use Chev's boo hoo baby!
~GertrudeMcFuzz~

I honestly have no patience for threads like this. The Silly Girls are one of the most fun parts of the show; when I was in BaTB I would have loved to harmonize in that group. Plus, a role is only as small as you make it. If you dedicate yourself to the acting, singing and dancing that you put into the role, it will be a better performance and you'll be a better performer because of it. If you keep thinking of it as a "nameless" small part, you won't have any fun doing it and the show will suffer. Whether you wanted the role or not, you still need to put in your 100%.

Welcome to the world of musical theater: you don't always get the roles you want, and I think every actor on this board knows that well. Sometimes you get cast in roles you didn't necessarily audition for, and you end up loving them in the end. So please, don't start complaining to us because you got a slightly smaller part than you supposedly "deserved".
ilovebway

unwrittenx90 wrote:
mastachen wrote:

I made the Prozac remark and I made it for this reason: I'm an aspiring psychiatrist, and I truly hate it when people throw around the word "depression." The profession is already getting no respect as it is, and people who throw those words around are only making the issue worse. If she is truly clinically depressed, well then, I apologize for offending people. If not, then she should reconsider her wording to not be so dramatic.


seriously just stfu i didnt post this for people like you to be dicks to me i posted it in hopes that people would give me advice on how to improve or constructive criticism so if your going to be obnoxious dont post in this forum anymore.


If you're just going to keep on complaining and whining over not getting Belle, maybe YOU should stop posting on this forum, not mastachen.

You have the right to be upset over not getting Belle. A lot of people do get upset over not getting cast in the role they want. But is it really neccesary to make a whole thread just so people can feel sorry for you? I don't think so. It's ridiculous.
mastachen

unwrittenx90 wrote:
mastachen wrote:

I made the Prozac remark and I made it for this reason: I'm an aspiring psychiatrist, and I truly hate it when people throw around the word "depression." The profession is already getting no respect as it is, and people who throw those words around are only making the issue worse. If she is truly clinically depressed, well then, I apologize for offending people. If not, then she should reconsider her wording to not be so dramatic.


seriously just stfu i didnt post this for people like you to be dicks to me i posted it in hopes that people would give me advice on how to improve or constructive criticism so if your going to be obnoxious dont post in this forum anymore.


Drama queen.
iheartmusic2

unwrittenx90 wrote:
thank you sooo much for defending me and seriously alot of peoples quotes helped me alot but yours is by far the best ! thank you so much you dont know how much better this made me feel !! If you want to IM me my sn is unwrittenx90@aim.com because i would love to talk more if not its ok thank you so much again!!


Sure thing! I just saw this same thing happen to a girl who got Babette on a different thread! People like tore her heart out! It was awful!

I don't have AIM right now (new computer) but you can e-mail me at [e-mail removed -- instead, I Private Messaged you]. I'd be totally up for talking more.
iheartmusic2

mastachen wrote:
iheartmusic2 wrote:
As someone who IS on an antidepressant, that kind of stuff is truly offensive, not just to the person it is aimed at, but potentially for anyone else who reads it.



I made the Prozac remark and I made it for this reason: I'm an aspiring psychiatrist, and I truly hate it when people throw around the word "depression." The profession is already getting no respect as it is, and people who throw those words around are only making the issue worse. If she is truly clinically depressed, well then, I apologize for offending people. If not, then she should reconsider her wording to not be so dramatic.


I think psychiatry and depression are so taboo because people are uncomfortable acknowledging it. Because it is not uniform. People can be depressed because their parents died, or they can be depressed because they flunked an Algebra test.

I ended up having to give up a lead in "Peter Pan" last summer for scheduling difficulties, and it was one of the reasons I went into a clinical depression that I still have to treat. I know sometimes it sounds "dramatic" when people say they're depressed because they didn't get a particular role -- it may even sound pathetic -- but depression is usually triggered by a culmination of events, and sometimes the strangest things can cause a chemical reaction that really pushes a person over the edge.

You just can't be so ready to jump down a person's throat because YOU haven't ever been in their situation. If you want to be a psychiatrist, seriously, dude, get ready to hear the craziest crap from people. You might get a patient who is depressed because someone cut them off on the freeway!

Okay? As I said, the girl's upset right now. You can give her a reality check WHILE still being sympathetic. It might be faster to verbally slap her in the face, but it isn't the nicest way of doing things!

If you are rude like that to patients, get ready for a floundering practice AND possibly a few lawsuits. (Or would you never be so thoughtless to someone's face?)
unwrittenx90

ilovebway wrote:
unwrittenx90 wrote:
mastachen wrote:

I made the Prozac remark and I made it for this reason: I'm an aspiring psychiatrist, and I truly hate it when people throw around the word "depression." The profession is already getting no respect as it is, and people who throw those words around are only making the issue worse. If she is truly clinically depressed, well then, I apologize for offending people. If not, then she should reconsider her wording to not be so dramatic.


seriously just stfu i didnt post this for people like you to be dicks to me i posted it in hopes that people would give me advice on how to improve or constructive criticism so if your going to be obnoxious dont post in this forum anymore.


If you're just going to keep on complaining and whining over not getting Belle, maybe YOU should stop posting on this forum, not mastachen.

You have the right to be upset over not getting Belle. A lot of people do get upset over not getting cast in the role they want. But is it really neccesary to make a whole thread just so people can feel sorry for you? I don't think so. It's ridiculous.




OK i might be complaining a little but if you read my first post it said can you SHED SOME LIGHT on the situation hoping that people who played silly girls would say they had fun or whatever or people in the same situation as me could talk about and see what they did so honestly just stop attacking me I am who I am im an emotional person i cant help that.. i didnt post this to get attacked
SuperKabob

THAT'S IT.

ENOUGH.



Let's all move on.
mastachen

Crap! Joshua and I spent a long time on google looking for that baby. How did YOU find it?
SuperKabob

Go to the search button in the line where it says "logout" and then search for "baby" and specify the user Chevstriss. It took me a few minutes to get the right combination.

Chev hasn't been here for a while so I felt justified using it in her stead.
unwrittenx90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfwMNaYvy8 this is me singing home again trying to be a little softer and in character thanks for the advice check it out =]
BroadwayBaby0202

Don't act out the lyrics.
SuperKabob

unwrittenx90 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfwMNaYvy8 this is me singing home again trying to be a little softer and in character thanks for the advice check it out =]


I'm guessing you want more advice.

Here's my honest critique.

1. You need to work on vibrato. It wasn't there for a lot of the piece, and was there for some awkward notes. Also, don't abruptly cut off notes. Think of dimming lights instead of flipping a switch.
2. To go with that, try and keep your pitches consistent. On quite a few notes your pitched either started off or became very flat.
3. Stop moving. I call it the "beginner sway". (I was guilty of it too a few years ago). Did you watch and notice how your body was moving back and forth, and sometimes you took an unnessesary step? Don't do that. Stand your ground. Same goes with your head. Don't move it back and forth trying to produce vibrato. Vibrato should come natrually, not be manufactured.
4. Commit to any acting choices you make. A few times you'd have something good going, but then your eyes would move away or you would move or something. It made it seem like you were scared of doing anything other than just standing and singing.

Overall, if I were your director, I wouldn't have cast you as Belle. Of course, I don't know the rest of the talent at your school, so I have nothing to compare you to. However, keeping in mind the recent auditions at my school (as a general high school talent pool), I think I understand where your director was coming from.

It seems like you've gotten over whining about your part, which is good! Let us know how your show turns out!
wom

I don't think the problem is your voice for the most part. You have some odd facial expressions. You stand still and sing for a while, and then suddenly you get way overly dramatic. I should feel the emotion from your heart, not your body. You have a nice voice to add to the chorus. I don't think a supporting character is in line. You have a lot to work with, and if you get some professional training, you may be really great.
stlgurl702

Okay, I think we should ban threads where people just bitch. You didn't get the role, get over it.
unwrittenx90

ok dont post on my forum if thats what you think of me thank you everyone else for the advice
SuperKabob

stlgurl702 wrote:
Okay, I think we should ban threads where people just bitch. You didn't get the role, get over it.



Or maybe a sticky entitled "KEEP ALL ANNOYING COMPLAINTS HERE".

Could work.
stagefrightdied

You know it wouldn't! lol
Laughing
wom

SuperKabob is great! Very Happy
musikal_geek

SunriseSunset wrote:
EVERY character has a name, and when you character has a name like "woman #4" in all my cases the director has let me and encouraged me to give woman #4 a real name. If you're an actor you have the ability to take a role with one line and create an entire back story to the character, creating the character itself. And when every actor that has a "small part" is playing THEIR character that they created the entire show becomes 100000 times better because of all the little bits of personality derived from giving your character greater meaning.


Agreed. It's SO much fun, especially if you have a group onstage as a family or a bunch of friends. You can totally write you own scene and just go to town with it, as long as you're not upstaging the main action onstage. Coincidentally, Beauty and the Beast was some of the most fun I've had doing it. I made myself a lawyer who had a big case that day, and I also added a little love triangle with some friends. The audience never really payed attention, but we had some wicked plot floating around there, and we had fun! We had a blast because we took our chorus roles with a smile and decided to make it more than just someone who stands in the background - the audience will not notice if you are being active onstage (as long as you're not upstaging). They will notice if you're standing there crying, wearing an "I should be Belle!" t-shirt off in the corner.
unwrittenx90

SuperKabob wrote:
stlgurl702 wrote:
Okay, I think we should ban threads where people just bitch. You didn't get the role, get over it.



Or maybe a sticky entitled "KEEP ALL ANNOYING COMPLAINTS HERE".

Could work.


WOW i thought i was a loser posting on this site but i stand corrected if you have to come on this site to make fun of other people you truly are a loser.
mastachen

I like SuperKabob Smile
stagefrightdied

from unwritten:
Quote:
WOW i thought i was a loser posting on this site but i stand corrected if you have to come on this site to make fun of other people you truly are a loser.


let's think about that... d'oh!
Not Dead Yet

Honestly, the first thing I have to say to you, unwrittenx90 is you're lucky you have a director that doesn't cast based on seniority or favouritism. If it was my director, the VP would have gotten a lead role for sure. Then again, our VP is amazing. Actually, all the Officers/Favourites, whatever you wanna call them are amazing and work twice as hard as most people in the club...

Secondly, it won't do you any good to offend the people on this site. Over reacting won't get you anywhere, and people who are emotional are total turn offs to directors.

And thirdly, a Silly Girl sounds fun. There truly are no small parts. Unless you're the thankless maid in the background with no lines and no history (or no way to express said history), then you have something to sink your teeth in.

Look at me; I was cast in the awesome role of Titania in a student adapted version of A Midsummer Night's Dream. Guess what? It sucks. Total waste of paper and ink. Horrible role. I'd rather be one of the four fairies. Yeah, they're smaller, but much juicier than the material they've given me.

Just relax. Complaining about your part won't get you anywhere; neither will trying to justify yourself for your complaining... if that made any sense.
stagefrightdied

I posted just now and it was kinda mean-ish, but seriously, we all get hurt, that's what bff's are there for. Well, I just went on my facebook and this was up as my Bible verse of the day, and so now i'm gonna post it here because i think it applies to the people that are rightly irked with unwritten (including me), and for unwritten too.

Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
Ephesians 4:29
SuperKabob

unwrittenx90 wrote:
SuperKabob wrote:
stlgurl702 wrote:
Okay, I think we should ban threads where people just bitch. You didn't get the role, get over it.



Or maybe a sticky entitled "KEEP ALL ANNOYING COMPLAINTS HERE".

Could work.


WOW i thought i was a loser posting on this site but i stand corrected if you have to come on this site to make fun of other people you truly are a loser.


Ummm...see the almost 3000 posts?

I didn't come here to make fun of people.
musikal_geek

SuperKabob wrote:
unwrittenx90 wrote:
SuperKabob wrote:
stlgurl702 wrote:
Okay, I think we should ban threads where people just bitch. You didn't get the role, get over it.



Or maybe a sticky entitled "KEEP ALL ANNOYING COMPLAINTS HERE".

Could work.


WOW i thought i was a loser posting on this site but i stand corrected if you have to come on this site to make fun of other people you truly are a loser.


Ummm...see the almost 3000 posts?

I didn't come here to make fun of people.


Exactly.
And you can't just say, "Leave the forum," because
a) You're not a Mod - you don't have the power to do that.
b) You've been here, what, a week? For the most part, all of us 'evil' people have been here for a year +. Like Rachel said, she's made 3000 posts. I've made almost 5000 (haha Rachel I beat you so I'm better). We're not going to leave because the new kid told us to.
Theaterfan101

this thread makes me laugh. Oh the drama of internet strangers. Carry on.
musikal_geek

Theaterfan101 wrote:
this thread makes me laugh. Oh the drama of internet strangers. Carry on.


I think I might love you a lot a little bit.
Theaterfan101

musikal_geek wrote:
Theaterfan101 wrote:
this thread makes me laugh. Oh the drama of internet strangers. Carry on.


I think I might love you a lot a little bit.


back at ya
musikal_geek

<3.
stlgurl702

This is more entertaining than watching "The Bad Girls Club"...
SuperKabob




Anyone?
stlgurl702

ME! ME! lol...
godspizzle56

that just made me very hungry.
and i forgot what this post was even about in the beginning.

now....how do i pop some popcorn at 1:15AM without waking up the parentals?
wicked_boy

musikal_geek wrote:
SuperKabob wrote:
unwrittenx90 wrote:
SuperKabob wrote:
stlgurl702 wrote:
Okay, I think we should ban threads where people just bitch. You didn't get the role, get over it.



Or maybe a sticky entitled "KEEP ALL ANNOYING COMPLAINTS HERE".

Could work.


WOW i thought i was a loser posting on this site but i stand corrected if you have to come on this site to make fun of other people you truly are a loser.


Ummm...see the almost 3000 posts?

I didn't come here to make fun of people.


Exactly.
And you can't just say, "Leave the forum," because
a) You're not a Mod - you don't have the power to do that.
b) You've been here, what, a week? For the most part, all of us 'evil' people have been here for a year +. Like Rachel said, she's made 3000 posts. I've made almost 5000 (haha Rachel I beat you so I'm better). We're not going to leave because the new kid told us to.


CALM.....

To me, that sounded slightly harsh, from both of you.

Luc, calm it down a lot, give the n00bs a chance, we were all there once.
ConverseSneaker

Ooooh! I'll take some of that popcorn!

And, btw, I was a Silly Girl. Awesomest thing ever. We had people who liked us MORE than Belle, because we just worked so well together and brought out the characters. Don't be ashamed of a role like that.
Joshua

I have to say, that was hella fun reading through that thread!
ConverseSneaker

^Want some popcorn? I won't share mine, but I'm sure the awesomest SuperKabob will. Very Happy
SuperKabob

Anyone can have popcorn! No need to ask.
stlgurl702

Dancing Sweeet!
star2ballie

People who say things like

"silly girl who is VERY upset"

make me shudder.

No, seriously.

People who get roles in a show, yet still feel like need to moan about how they deserved more.

Humility, in my opinion, is one of the most beautiful virtues a person can have. Without it...well, it's just too bad.
Theaterfan101

Any Body want candy, I'm on my way to the lobby?
stlgurl702

Can a mod make a sticky like someone said before-

"All who wish to bitch about casting please post here"

Cause there are more and more of these every day...
SuperKabob

It's casting season for High Schools, that's why.

Thankfully ours have already finished.
Matthew

My reaction to this thread and the OP:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Fantine

unwrittenx90, did you even read my advice or did I just waste my breathe like everyone else here?
Trevor reincarnate

Re: Silly Girl who is VERY upset!!!

unwrittenx90 wrote:
hey everyone soo pretty much I just got cast as a silly girl and im extremely upset, actually in a depression, I tried out for belle, got a call back and than got a second call back with 2 seniors who got belle and ms potts and this other 10th grader who also got a silly girl ( im a senior) I REALLY wanted a good part this year im a senior and ive been so dedicated to drama im the vice president and i worked SO hard on my song its so upseting.. i really wanting belle or babette and he ---- me over so can anyone please shed some light on this situation


What are you? 6?
Trevor reincarnate

unwrittenx90 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfwMNaYvy8 this is me singing home again trying to be a little softer and in character thanks for the advice check it out =]


My advice? Quit theatre. You're obviously not cut out for it.
You can't handle the fact that you're bad and you whine when you don't get a role.

You're just wasting your time. You're not going anywhere.
Matthew

unwrittenx90 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfwMNaYvy8 this is me singing home again trying to be a little softer and in character thanks for the advice check it out =]

I'm not sure about your competition, but in the real world, dead pan acting, manufactured movements and a weak, unsupported voice wouldn't even get you cast in the ensemble.
ConverseSneaker

Theaterfan101 wrote:
Any Body want candy, I'm on my way to the lobby?


*raises hand* Reese's pieces please!
AnnieER25

Fantine wrote:
unwrittenx90, did you even read my advice or did I just waste my breathe like everyone else here?


Ditto. I actually watched the first video four times, took notes and e-mailed a lengthy critique, only to never get a thanks (or even an eff off) only to watch the second video and see that she ignored the whole thing.
Brick wall
musikal_geek

ConverseSneaker wrote:
Theaterfan101 wrote:
Any Body want candy, I'm on my way to the lobby?


*raises hand* Reese's pieces please!


Can we share? I love Resse's, but I can never finish it alone. Crying or Very sad
wicked_boy

Aaaah. Love your banner, Luc.
unwrittenx90

i know im not amazing or whatever but my school isnt really talented bc this school in our town has an on tour company and people who were suppossed to go to our school audition to go there .. i didnt audition the reason why im so upset is bc im prob not guna do theatre in the real world and this is prob guna be my last show and second everyone hyped me up saying i was so much better than the girl who got belle and everyone still wants me to be belle.. but yeah i mean i actually dont know why im letting random people get me upset ---- you if your being a dick aka matthew and the other random guy?
MademoiselleMusicalsDeux

Re: Silly Girl who is VERY upset!!!

unwrittenx90 wrote:
hey everyone soo pretty much I just got cast as a silly girl and im extremely upset, actually in a depression, I tried out for belle, got a call back and than got a second call back with 2 seniors who got belle and ms potts and this other 10th grader who also got a silly girl ( im a senior) I REALLY wanted a good part this year im a senior and ive been so dedicated to drama im the vice president and i worked SO hard on my song its so upseting.. i really wanting belle or babette and he ---- me over so can anyone please shed some light on this situation


For God Sake. Be more grateful! Nothing more irritating than someone who gets a role and complains about it. Grow up.

I tried for a production of West Side Story at the weekend and didn't get in, knocked out in the dancing...The reason? Had a mental block in the dance we had to pick up. It happens and it just happened to occur during an audition. No biggie. I think the main reason why I messed up was I learnt the dance on the right side of the room...then in our groups of 4 I was on the left so that kinda threw me off balance..

It was unfair because I didn't even have a chance to show how I can sing / act which are my stronger points.Not surprisedly I've come away a little sad, because I have so much to give and people have said I am good. Not being highly strung or anything but I am. Good that is.

But I thought well at least I learnt something...just need to focus on dancing. Next thing I know someone who gets into the show is thinking about dropping out! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

That is showbusiness. If you can't handle rejection then the performing arts isn't for you sweetie.

Besides. Silly Girls are cool! If done correctly they can steal the show.

Just be more humble is my advice.
Fantine

unwrittenx90 wrote:
i know im not amazing or whatever but my school isnt really talented bc this school in our town has an on tour company and people who were suppossed to go to our school audition to go there .. i didnt audition the reason why im so upset is bc im prob not guna do theatre in the real world and this is prob guna be my last show and second everyone hyped me up saying i was so much better than the girl who got belle and everyone still wants me to be belle.. but yeah i mean i actually dont know why im letting random people get me upset ---- you if your being a dick aka matthew and the other random guy?


Christ, are you blind? There are actually people on here who are trying to give you some earnest advice.

I'll give up now.
mastachen

From your response to Annie's helping you and Trevor and Matthew's post, you really aren't interested in constructive criticism, are you? You really do just want people to sympathize with you, and since most of us don't, you take turns telling each of us to stop posting and cussing us out.

Why can't you just humbly say, "I suck?" We're not out to get you. We offer genuine opinions. If one of us gets the lead, we congratulate them. If someone doesn't, we offer condolences. But when someone bitches and acts like they deserved a role and clearly posts on here to earn sympathy, nobody is going to feel bad for you. Fahlia_Dahn's post has been brought up because it's similar to yours, but she has at least accepted her role and seems to be working towards making her situation better. And there's that other guy who got casted as the Young Prince, who wants to know how to make the role his own. Why don't you follow their example instead of repeating the same gripe over and over and over and over again?

And for the record, I don't appreciate being told the stfu and leave. I offered an explanation for my snarky comment and apologized if it offended anyone, and the response I get from you is STFU. That's real mature of you. Congrats. Way to get people to take your side. (For the record, iheartmusic2, I can see where you're coming from, but you have no idea what I have or haven't been through. I chose psychiatry as a profession to help certain people in my life.)

Perhaps you should leave. We don't really like people who posts here just to complain.


On second thought, stay. This is obviously fun for some people. Laughing



Edit: I actually just went back and read Iheartmusic2's post to me. It was meaner than I thought it was. Shocked Nevermind. I have trouble seeing your point of view now.
unwrittenx90

Trevor reincarnate wrote:
unwrittenx90 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfwMNaYvy8 this is me singing home again trying to be a little softer and in character thanks for the advice check it out =]


My advice? Quit theatre. You're obviously not cut out for it.
You can't handle the fact that you're bad and you whine when you don't get a role.

You're just wasting your time. You're not going anywhere.


really mastchen or whatever the ---- your name is this is constructive criticism? are u ---- dumb just STFU ! honestly ... just stop and leave me alone.. please Very Happy
stlgurl702

unwrittenx90 wrote:
Trevor reincarnate wrote:
unwrittenx90 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clfwMNaYvy8 this is me singing home again trying to be a little softer and in character thanks for the advice check it out =]


My advice? Quit theatre. You're obviously not cut out for it.
You can't handle the fact that you're bad and you whine when you don't get a role.

You're just wasting your time. You're not going anywhere.


really mastchen or whatever the ---- your name is this is constructive criticism? are u ---- dumb just STFU ! honestly ... just stop and leave me alone.. please Very Happy


Why did you ask for a response if you did not want it?
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