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Dom-On My Own

Sarah Brightman-How On Earth Did She Get The Part?!

Oh My God she's awful! She sounds like Tweety Bird! Watching the original video of the theme song she scares me!!!!!
BORNtoENTERTAIN

Well, she was married to Andrew Lloyd Webber at one time.
RainyCrystal

"The Phantom of the Opera" was a gift from Andrew Lloyd Webber to his beloved new wife Sarah Brightman, whom he wished to "promote" to the world.

And I would recommend not judging her performance from those 80's music videos. I honestly don't know what ALW was on when he allowed those to be made. From the POV of a fan, those videos are plain sights of horror.

And just out of curiosity, have you listened to her on the original London cast recording yet?

~Sissi
JemiBoe1981

RainyCrystal wrote:
"
And just out of curiosity, have you listened to her on the original London cast recording yet?

~Sissi

Indeed... I think she is in amazing voice. Too bad she was a crummy actress.

And Emmy Rossum sounds more like Tweety Bird. If that's who we want to compare Christines to...
RainyCrystal

JemiBoe1981 wrote:
Indeed... I think she is in amazing voice. Too bad she was a crummy actress.

And Emmy Rossum sounds more like Tweety Bird. If that's who we want to compare Christines to...


Agreed.

At least Sarah Brightman was a trained, professional singer, who had had loads of vocal training for the role. And yes, I love her voice, though her acting I can honestly take it or leave it. However, to be honest, the question should really be: Emmy Rossum: How On Earth Did She Get The Part?!

~Sissi
dramatic_mizfit

I love Sarah Brightman's voice. I'm not one to judge her acting ability because I've never really seen her in anything, but I would be willing to be it's ten times better than Emmy Rossum.
MrsJemimaMistoffelees

dramatic_mizfit wrote:
I love Sarah Brightman's voice. I'm not one to judge her acting ability because I've never really seen her in anything, but I would be willing to be it's ten times better than Emmy Rossum.


I agree with everything you said. At least when you compare stage photo's of Sarah to Emmy's acting in the movie, Sarah's facial expressions change.

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy
Jordan

MrsJemimaMistoffelees wrote:
I agree with everything you said. At least when you compare stage photo's of Sarah to Emmy's acting in the movie, Sarah's facial expressions change 3 times.

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy
Wink
Dom-On My Own

She's good in Phantom I'll give her that but in Past The Point Of No Return and All I Ask Of You it's absolutly horrific. Emmy's version of Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again is amazing IMO but that's my opinion and we cannot all agree.
GlamorousGriz

"Hello. My name is Emmy Rossum and I only have ONE facial expression".
AngMisto8182

GlamorousGriz wrote:
"Hello. My name is Emmy Rossum and I only have ONE facial expression".


I imitated her one facial expression for one of my sister's friends and she found it positively hilarious and frighteningly accurate.
NoOneMournsTheWicked

AngMisto8182 wrote:
GlamorousGriz wrote:
"Hello. My name is Emmy Rossum and I only have ONE facial expression".


I imitated her one facial expression for one of my sister's friends and she found it positively hilarious and frighteningly accurate.


Did it look something like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00501uh.jpg ?
JemiBoe1981

GlamorousGriz wrote:
"Hello. My name is Emmy Rossum and I only have ONE facial expression".

HOORAY! (applause)... that was a brilliant impression of Emmy. Almost as good as Ang can do.

But I can do her singing voice well. I did it at freshman orientation. It was hott.
RainyCrystal

Dom-On My Own wrote:
She's good in Phantom I'll give her that but in Past The Point Of No Return and All I Ask Of You it's absolutly horrific.


I absolutely disagree. Her All I ask of you is one of the bests I've ever heard. Her and Steve Barton I personally think were one of the greatest pairs ever for this song!

And please, use some commas.

~Sissi
RainyCrystal

JemiBoe1981 wrote:
But I can do her singing voice well.


I admire you. I tried to imitate her "Think of me" once to demonstrate to someone, and my throat and chest suffered major from that one try...

~Sissi
AngMisto8182

NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
AngMisto8182 wrote:
I imitated her one facial expression for one of my sister's friends and she found it positively hilarious and frighteningly accurate.


Did it look something like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00501uh.jpg ?


hahaha Not quite... my eyes were open a little more, and my mouth was sagging... like Emmy's when she's going through the mirror right before "The Phantom of the Opera." I did it in the mirror and it was pretty good, if I may say so myself... Laughing

JemiBoe1981 wrote:
But I can do her singing voice well. I did it at freshman orientation. It was hott.


You rocked, Boe. Laughing
JemiBoe1981

RainyCrystal wrote:
JemiBoe1981 wrote:
But I can do her singing voice well.


I admire you. I tried to imitate her "Think of me" once to demonstrate to someone, and my throat and chest suffered major from that one try...

~Sissi

Haha... well, in all fairness, it really didn't sound all that much like her... it may have been better... but it was pretty thin and whiny and emotionless and crappy. I was proud.

And Ang, I know I rocked.
Miss Daae

I think the more pressing question is, how on earth did Emmy Rossum get the part?
RainyCrystal

Miss Daae wrote:
I think the more pressing question is, how on earth did Emmy Rossum get the part?


Yep, that was also my question. Wink

RainyCrystal wrote:
At least Sarah Brightman was a trained, professional singer, who had had loads of vocal training for the role. And yes, I love her voice, though her acting I can honestly take it or leave it. However, to be honest, the question should really be: Emmy Rossum: How On Earth Did She Get The Part?!


And this has been my biggest question ever since December 2004...
I am really having trouble understanding what was going on in their heads... out of the hundreds of talented, professionally trained singers/actresses who have played the role of Christine Daae beautifully on stage, they would pick Emmy Rossum... out of the hundreds of thousands of gifted, well-trained performing arts/music conservatory students, young opera singers, etc., they would pick Emmy Rossum...

~Sissi
JemiBoe1981

It's because she's soooo popular onscreen! I mean, she was a dead body in Mystic River, so that was their grounds- to get a bankable, successful young actress.

hehe... sarcasm can be fun...
NoOneMournsTheWicked

JemiBoe1981 wrote:
It's because she's soooo popular onscreen! I mean, she was a dead body in Mystic River, so that was their grounds- to get a bankable, successful young actress.



Hey, I'm sure she was a completely believable corpse.
RainyCrystal

NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
Hey, I'm sure she was a completely believable corpse.


I totally believe that just from watching her in the POTO movie, w/o having even seen Mystic River.

~Sissi
dramatic_mizfit

Did she do The Day After Tomorrow (or whatever it was called) before or after Phantom? I think someone should have looked at that film and gone, "Her facial expressions really are crap. Let's not cast her as Christine."

But no.
piscesmoni

Before. And how the hell did she get that Golden Globe nod...
RainyCrystal

piscesmoni wrote:
Before. And how the hell did she get that Golden Globe nod...


Same reason as how the hell did Lindsay Lohan get that MTV movie award for best female performance...

~Sissi
dramaqueen220222

JemiBoe1981 wrote:
But I can do her singing voice well. I did it at freshman orientation. It was hott.


I can imitate her fairly well. She was the first Christine I ever heard, so her singing stands out in my mind. I disagree with you all. I do think that they could have found someone better then her, but I loved her as Christine. She was so beautiful, and I like her voice a lot.
dramatic_mizfit

piscesmoni wrote:
Before. And how the hell did she get that Golden Globe nod...


She got a Golden Globe nod? For Day After Tomorrow? Shocked Somebody was on crack when they put those out...
RainyCrystal

dramaqueen220222 wrote:
I can imitate her fairly well. She was the first Christine I ever heard, so her singing stands out in my mind. I disagree with you all. I do think that they could have found someone better then her, but I loved her as Christine. She was so beautiful, and I like her voice a lot.


My advice is: don't imitate her unless it's just for fun.

Regarding Emmy Rossum... in no way I think she's talentless. But she needs one thing badly: a voice teacher. Her voice is too breathy, too untrained, far from the level of Christine Daae. The role of Christine takes years and years of classical vocal training to be able to sing well, and Emmy Rossum just never had that. This is not just personal opinion, this is coming objectively from a trained singer who has the trained ears. Her voice is airy, dull and with little ring. Her only vocal "development" was her stint in a children's chorus from age 7-12 and she hadn't been using her voice regularly (let alone training it) for over four years. And besides, at the age of 7-12, there really isn't much you can do regarding voice training. I doubt that Emmy had had much serious voice work when she was in the children's choir. You cannot train a child's voice like you train someone who's passed the voice changing period. And besides, how much can children really learn? In the POTO movie, she just sounds too breathy, and have a sound that is uneven and full of register breaks. She has major problems with support and breath control. But I cannot blame her for it. If you don't train and use the various muscles, you lose them. What a terrifying task it would be for her to have to make up for all of that lost time without a vocal technician. It would have been hard to do even with a good teacher. And those idiots who were in such a hurry to make the movie probably didn't even think that singing lessons would be necessary. Plus, no one involved (although they recognized her beauty, acting and raw talent) had any clue that she was technically clueless and very undeveloped in the vocal department.

I truly feel kind of bad for her, to be honest. The potential is there, but the diamond will probably never shine. I don't think even she herself realizes how flawed her voice is, and how much training she needs. I in no way mean that Emmy is a stuck-up, but it doesn't mean that she ever gave me the impression that she actually knows exactly how big the flaws are in her singing, acting, and can I also mention dancing. She needs someone to actually tell her and make her realize and correct her flaws, not make her feel that she's good the way she is, and stay that way. I honestly feel that Emmy has truly been overestimating herself, and all those insane, worshipping fan girls screaming behind her and licking her ass really isn't helping at all. Trust me, they are NOT doing her any good. Right now, she needs someone to actually tell her that she has too many flaws in her voice, and that she needs much training and much more work, not young teeny-boppers who know nothing about singing hailing her as the greatest song goddess ever existed.

There, my 32 and 1/2 cents.


~Sissi
Fantine

If they are ever going to make a movie out of Les Mis and they consider Emmy Possum for Cosette... I'm going to kill myself.
RainyCrystal

Fantine wrote:
If they are ever going to make a movie out of Les Mis and they consider Emmy Possum for Cosette... I'm going to kill myself.


Please don't kill yourself. Because then you won't be able to kill the whoever the idiot is that decided to cast her.

~Sissi
MrsJemimaMistoffelees

Well, if Emmy Rossum gets proper training and is in fact, cast, no one will have to die! ^_^

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy
Fantine

RainyCrystal wrote:
Fantine wrote:
If they are ever going to make a movie out of Les Mis and they consider Emmy Possum for Cosette... I'm going to kill myself.


Please don't kill yourself. Because then you won't be able to kill the whoever the idiot is that decided to cast her.

~Sissi


Okay... So I'll kill that person first, then I kill myself.
RainyCrystal

MrsJemimaMistoffelees wrote:
Well, if Emmy Rossum gets proper training and is in fact, cast, no one will have to die! ^_^

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy


Well, until the "proper training" happens (if it ever does happen, that is), I don't think I want to see her in another soprano role. In fact, until that happens, I don't think I even want to see her in another musical, period.

~Sissi
dramatic_mizfit

Not like that's a huge tragedy.
Elisabetta611

RainyCrystal wrote:
NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
Hey, I'm sure she was a completely believable corpse.


I totally believe that just from watching her in the POTO movie, w/o having even seen Mystic River.

~Sissi


Comments like these make me sad....

And disillusioned about a person I thought I knew....

In one word: DISGUSTING
Eliza84

RainyCrystal wrote:
NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
Hey, I'm sure she was a completely believable corpse.


I totally believe that just from watching her in the POTO movie, w/o having even seen Mystic River.

~Sissi


Oh my God. Holly, I am stunned. I am absolutely stunned. Listen...you know I'm not a fan of the movie. You and I agree on many things and one is our mutual dislike of most of the casting. But that was harsh. This whole thread is harsh. Why do people have to resort to insults? I admit, I've been guilty of it once or twice myself, but I've always regretted it afterward and apologized. I really hope that comment was just something you let slip without thinking, because it's not like you at all. I realize that the title of this thread must have frustrated you immensely, but still! I consider both you and Betta to be two of my best friends on the net and it really upsets me to see her angry with you. She's very hurt now, I'm a bit shocked myself because that comment wasn't like you, and I can't help but feel the need to step in. Could you come on AIM as soon as possible?
Amabella

I think that Sarah Brightman has a rather odd voice. I have heard her sing other things besides Phantom of the Opera stuff. I think that she is wonderful in some of her other songs. But I don't feel like Phantom of the Opera was her type thing. Don't get me wrong, she could hit all the notes and what not. Sounded alright sometimes. But she has a really operetic voice. I don't really like that. I like Emmy Rossum because you can understand her all the time. Eh, that's my personal opinion.
NoOneMournsTheWicked

One thing I noticed about Emmy Rossum that bothers me (besides her whole voice): She talks/sings with a British accent, but only every once in a while. If you're going to do the British, do the British. Don't just do an accent out of no where. That drives me busalooey.
Amabella

I think I know what you are talking about. I have noticed it too.
Elisabetta611

Her accent is not British but a NY accent as she comes from NY. I'm still quite baffled by the insults I read here. Criticizing is one thing, mocking & bashing another. As for accents....MC's accent was way thicker...and nobody tore it to shreds. Evil or Very Mad
Elisabetta611

NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
AngMisto8182 wrote:
GlamorousGriz wrote:
"Hello. My name is Emmy Rossum and I only have ONE facial expression".


I imitated her one facial expression for one of my sister's friends and she found it positively hilarious and frighteningly accurate.


Did it look something like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00501uh.jpg ?


And that's supposed to be funny? GOD........ At least she HAD facial expressions unlike Sarah Brightman. (Whose voice I like but her stoned expression..... AHEM)

Childish...most childish!

*Steps off soapbox*
JemiBoe1981

Elisabetta611 wrote:
NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
AngMisto8182 wrote:
GlamorousGriz wrote:
"Hello. My name is Emmy Rossum and I only have ONE facial expression".


I imitated her one facial expression for one of my sister's friends and she found it positively hilarious and frighteningly accurate.


Did it look something like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00501uh.jpg ?


And that's supposed to be funny? GOD........ At least she HAD facial expressions unlike Sarah Brightman. (Whose voice I like but her stoned expression..... AHEM)

Childish...most childish!

*Steps off soapbox*

It is funny. Very funny. Ang is cool like that.

Sarah Brightman= terrible actress. Emmy Rossum= pitiful all around (singing, acting, and whatnot)

Oh... welcome to M.NEt! Stand your ground and have fun and all. Plus, you may call me Boe, since that is my name. Yup.
MrsJemimaMistoffelees

Elisabetta611 wrote:
And that's supposed to be funny? GOD........ At least she HAD facial expressions unlike Sarah Brightman. (Whose voice I like but her stoned expression..... AHEM)

Childish...most childish!

*Steps off soapbox*


That's to be debated. Emmy seemed to look the same in every scene in the movie, facial wise. Whereas if you look at different pictures of SB on stage (NOT by the MOTN video), you see that she has different expression; she actually looks like she's angered, upset, happy, sad, etc.

I told people on phantomfans.net to stay way from the phantom forum, and misc forum on musicals.net *sigh*

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy
Elisabetta611

It is funny. Very funny. Ang is cool like that.

Sarah Brightman= terrible actress. Emmy Rossum= pitiful all around (singing, acting, and whatnot)[/quote]

Whatever...... In YOUR opinion. But THAT is no way to discuss it. And IMHO THAT is PITIFUL, not Emmy.

But thanks for the welcome. Maybe we'll find things we can agree on? Which Christines DO you like? Very Happy
dramatic_mizfit

Elisabetta611 wrote:
NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
AngMisto8182 wrote:
GlamorousGriz wrote:
"Hello. My name is Emmy Rossum and I only have ONE facial expression".


I imitated her one facial expression for one of my sister's friends and she found it positively hilarious and frighteningly accurate.


Did it look something like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf00501uh.jpg ?


And that's supposed to be funny? GOD........ At least she HAD facial expressions unlike Sarah Brightman. (Whose voice I like but her stoned expression..... AHEM)

Childish...most childish!

*Steps off soapbox*


It's not childish, it's having a sense of humor.
JemiBoe1981

Elisabetta611 wrote:
It is funny. Very funny. Ang is cool like that.

Sarah Brightman= terrible actress. Emmy Rossum= pitiful all around (singing, acting, and whatnot)


Whatever...... In YOUR opinion. But THAT is no way to discuss it. And IMHO THAT is PITIFUL, not Emmy.

But thanks for the welcome. Maybe we'll find things we can agree on? Which Christines DO you like? Very Happy[/quote]
I like Rebecca Caine, Sarah Brightman, Julie Henson, and Marni Raab, who I saw, was also great. But not Emmy.
MrsJemimaMistoffelees

JemiBoe1981 wrote:

I like Rebecca Caine, Sarah Brightman, Julie Henson, and Marni Raab, who I saw, was also great. But not Emmy.


You mean Hanson Wink

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy
piscesmoni

dramatic_mizfit wrote:
piscesmoni wrote:
Before. And how the hell did she get that Golden Globe nod...


She got a Golden Globe nod? For Day After Tomorrow? Shocked Somebody was on crack when they put those out...


No, no. lol. The nod for Phantom I mean. She didn't get anything for Day After Tomorrow.
Elisabetta611

nd that's supposed to be funny? GOD........ At least she HAD facial expressions unlike Sarah Brightman. (Whose voice I like but her stoned expression..... AHEM)

Childish...most childish!

*Steps off soapbox*[/quote]

It's not childish, it's having a sense of humor.[/quote]

Creepy sense of "humour"...I never found anything funny in bashing a performer...... Evil or Very Mad
Elisabetta611

JemiBoe1981 wrote:
Elisabetta611 wrote:
It is funny. Very funny. Ang is cool like that.

Sarah Brightman= terrible actress. Emmy Rossum= pitiful all around (singing, acting, and whatnot)


Whatever...... In YOUR opinion. But THAT is no way to discuss it. And IMHO THAT is PITIFUL, not Emmy.

But thanks for the welcome. Maybe we'll find things we can agree on? Which Christines DO you like? Very Happy

I like Rebecca Caine, Sarah Brightman, Julie Henson, and Marni Raab, who I saw, was also great. But not Emmy.[/quote]


See! There I agree! I like Marni & Rebecca. But not Julie&Sarah, find both of them to be overrated. Razz
RainyCrystal

Eliza84 wrote:
Oh my God. Holly, I am stunned. I am absolutely stunned. Listen...you know I'm not a fan of the movie. You and I agree on many things and one is our mutual dislike of most of the casting. But that was harsh. This whole thread is harsh. Why do people have to resort to insults? I admit, I've been guilty of it once or twice myself, but I've always regretted it afterward and apologized. I really hope that comment was just something you let slip without thinking, because it's not like you at all. I realize that the title of this thread must have frustrated you immensely, but still! I consider both you and Betta to be two of my best friends on the net and it really upsets me to see her angry with you. She's very hurt now, I'm a bit shocked myself because that comment wasn't like you, and I can't help but feel the need to step in. Could you come on AIM as soon as possible?


If I can handle people constantly bashing and trashing performers that I like, if I can stand how many times Sarah Brightman has been insulted and bashed and not even saying one word, then I don't see how it's impossible for other people to take one small comment. If I can stand Sarah Brightman being called how many rude and disparaging names w/o even making one comment, but then I get a whole angry mob coming at me if I dare to say anything "not good" regarding someone whom they like... well, I've been way too tolerant, haven't I? Am I just not allowed to make any negative comments about anyone? Other people have the right to bash my favorites, and I don't have the right to even say anything that I don't like about theirs?

And I am damn sick and tired of people contantly getting on Sarah Brightman's cases. Damn sick, sick of it. It's almost as if everytime I mention her name, heaven forbid, I regret it! No, I don't "dare" to even mention her, much less how much I like her. No, not that I feel offended, but hell, sometimes, it gets to the degree of me just wanting to say, for god's sakes, leave the woman alone! Whatever you say, that bitch can sing! Emmy Rossum had ONE friggin serious singing lesson in her entire life, whereas Sarah Brightman worked her ass off for how many years. No matter what, she at least deserves some credit for that. And also, one last word: if you've been here long enough, you'll know. This is musicals.net. If you want to "survive" here, then you really can't be the nicest person in the world.

~Sissi
dramatic_mizfit

Well said, Sissi. And I agree with you 100%.
Eliza84

RainyCrystal wrote:
Eliza84 wrote:
Oh my God. Holly, I am stunned. I am absolutely stunned. Listen...you know I'm not a fan of the movie. You and I agree on many things and one is our mutual dislike of most of the casting. But that was harsh. This whole thread is harsh. Why do people have to resort to insults? I admit, I've been guilty of it once or twice myself, but I've always regretted it afterward and apologized. I really hope that comment was just something you let slip without thinking, because it's not like you at all. I realize that the title of this thread must have frustrated you immensely, but still! I consider both you and Betta to be two of my best friends on the net and it really upsets me to see her angry with you. She's very hurt now, I'm a bit shocked myself because that comment wasn't like you, and I can't help but feel the need to step in. Could you come on AIM as soon as possible?


If I can handle people constantly bashing and trashing performers that I like, if I can stand how many times Sarah Brightman has been insulted and bashed and not even saying one word, then I don't see how it's impossible for other people to take one small comment. If I can stand Sarah Brightman being called how many rude and disparaging names w/o even making one comment, but then I get a whole angry mob coming at me if I dare to say anything "not good" regarding someone whom they like... well, I've been way too tolerant, haven't I? Am I just not allowed to make any negative comments about anyone? Other people have the right to bash my favorites, and I don't have the right to even say anything that I don't like about theirs?

And I am damn sick and tired of people contantly getting on Sarah Brightman's cases. Damn sick, sick of it. It's almost as if everytime I mention her name, heaven forbid, I regret it! No, I don't "dare" to even mention her, much less how much I like her. No, not that I feel offended, but hell, sometimes, it gets to the degree of me just wanting to say, for god's sakes, leave the woman alone! Whatever you say, that bitch can sing! Emmy Rossum had ONE friggin serious singing lesson in her entire life, whereas Sarah Brightman worked her ass off for how many years. No matter what, she at least deserves some credit for that. And also, one last word: if you've been here long enough, you'll know. This is musicals.net. If you want to "survive" here, then you really can't be the nicest person in the world.

~Sissi


Sissi, don't worry, I won't be coming back here. I'm getting sick of forums in general. If it sounded like I was part of an angry mob coming to personally insult you, that was not my intention. I was just surprised because I'd always admired you for your ability to remain calm, take the high road, and ignore insults against Brightman. I try to do that myself whenever someone insults a singer I like. Also, Betta was quite angry with you and I made the, perhaps stupid, decision to try to step in. I should really learn to just stay out of it. Making an effort not to step on anyone's feet, something I've always done, is becoming quite tiresome, but at least it's better than having people mad at me.

And Sissi, please don't make the mistake of thinking I've become a fan of Emmy's Christine. I'm not in that category. I KNOW how hard Sarah worked! I KNOW that Emmy didn't have the proper training and I AM upset about it! I just don't like insults - on either side. One of the many reasons why I'm getting sick of forums. No one respects each other.
MrsJemimaMistoffelees

Elisabetta611 wrote:
But not Julie&Sarah, find both of them to be overrated. Razz


Same thing could be said for Emmy Razz

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy
JemiBoe1981

MrsJemimaMistoffelees wrote:
Elisabetta611 wrote:
But not Julie&Sarah, find both of them to be overrated. Razz


Same thing could be said for Emmy Razz

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy

Indeed, indeed!
dramatic_mizfit

piscesmoni wrote:
dramatic_mizfit wrote:
piscesmoni wrote:
Before. And how the hell did she get that Golden Globe nod...


She got a Golden Globe nod? For Day After Tomorrow? Shocked Somebody was on crack when they put those out...


No, no. lol. The nod for Phantom I mean. She didn't get anything for Day After Tomorrow.


Haha, good. I was going to say... Laughing
Miss Daae

[quote="RainyCrystal"][quote="Eliza84"]Oh my God. Holly, I am stunned. I am absolutely stunned. Listen...you know I'm not a fan of the movie. You and I agree on many things and one is our mutual dislike of most of the casting. But that was harsh. This whole thread is harsh. Why do people have to resort to insults? I admit, I've been guilty of it once or twice myself, but I've always regretted it afterward and apologized. I really hope that comment was just something you let slip without thinking, because it's not like you at all. I realize that the title of this thread must have frustrated you immensely, but still! I consider both you and Betta to be two of my best friends on the net and it really upsets me to see her angry with you. She's very hurt now, I'm a bit shocked myself because that comment wasn't like you, and I can't help but feel the need to step in. Could you come on AIM as soon as possible?[/quote]

If I can handle people constantly bashing and trashing performers that I like, if I can stand how many times Sarah Brightman has been insulted and bashed and not even saying one word, then I don't see how it's impossible for other people to take one small comment. If I can stand Sarah Brightman being called how many rude and disparaging names w/o even making one comment, but then I get a whole angry mob coming at me if I dare to say anything "not good" regarding someone whom they like... well, I've been way too tolerant, haven't I? Am I just not allowed to make any negative comments about anyone? Other people have the right to bash my favorites, and I don't have the right to even say anything that I don't like about theirs?

And I am damn sick and tired of people contantly getting on Sarah Brightman's cases. Damn sick, sick of it. It's almost as if everytime I mention her name, heaven forbid, I regret it! No, I don't "dare" to even mention her, much less how much I like her. No, not that I feel offended, but hell, sometimes, it gets to the degree of me just wanting to say, for god's sakes, leave the woman alone! Whatever you say, that bitch can sing! Emmy Rossum had ONE friggin serious singing lesson in her entire life, whereas Sarah Brightman worked her ass off for how many years. No matter what, she at least deserves some credit for that. And also, one last word: if you've been here long enough, you'll know. This is musicals.net. If you want to "survive" here, then you really can't be the nicest person in the world.

~Sissi[/quote]

Bravo. If there's one thing I hate, it's when people trash Sarah Brightman for having no facial expression when Emmy didn't either. Emmy was dull, dull, dull. And unimpressive. She breathed no life into the character of Christine, either vocally or emotionally. So she cried in a couple scenes. Good for her. The only time I believed her acting was in the "Music of the Night" scene. And that was when she was in a trance like state anyway.
RainyCrystal

Miss Daae wrote:
Bravo. If there's one thing I hate, it's when people trash Sarah Brightman for having no facial expression when Emmy didn't either. Emmy was dull, dull, dull. And unimpressive. She breathed no life into the character of Christine, either vocally or emotionally. So she cried in a couple scenes. Good for her. The only time I believed her acting was in the "Music of the Night" scene. And that was when she was in a trance like state anyway.


To be honest, if you want to compare the "one facial expression" and the "deer in the headlights" look, Emmy Rossum is no better than Sarah Brightman, if not worse. At least Sarah Brightman never failed to move me with her Christine voice, and she never gave me the feeling of "oh, I'm a helpless little girl..." And at least compared to Emmy Rossum, Sarah Brightman's Christine just always strikes me as stronger and more powerful both in voice and character. Also, Sarah Brightman just has naturally very big eyes. If you look at her real life pictures, many of them look like that, too, and some of her facial expressions in those pics look very similar to her POTO ones. The eyes really have a lot to do with it. But her eyes to me at least look bright-pierced, and light. And the expressions in her eyes do change, at least from all the pictures of her that I've seen so far. Emmy Rossum, from looking at her in POTO, and numerous other real-life pictures, one thing other than her voice that I really wish she could work on is the expression in her eyes. Seriously, every single picture of hers, it appears to me that her eyes always look exactly the same. Even when she's smiling, even when her facial expressions look different, her eyes just look... expressionless and always the same.

~Sissi
Miss Daae

Ugh, I just listened to the movie soundtrack again for whatever reason. It's painful to listen to "Raoul, I've been there". WHY the critics applauded her voice is beyond me. Because she was 17 at the time?
RainyCrystal

Miss Daae wrote:
WHY the critics applauded her voice is beyond me. Because she was 17 at the time?


That probably has a lot to do w/ it. And also, you just have to admit, compared to the other people around her age in today's movie and music industry, she really is one of the "better" ones. And also, she is probably the only Christine that those critics have heard. And for Hollywood standards, I guess she can be called "good".

~Sissi
operafantomet

RainyCrystal wrote:
Miss Daae wrote:
WHY the critics applauded her voice is beyond me. Because she was 17 at the time?


That probably has a lot to do w/ it. And also, you just have to admit, compared to the other people around her age in today's movie and music industry, she really is one of the "better" ones. And also, she is probably the only Christine that those critics have heard. And for Hollywood standards, I guess she can be called "good".

~Sissi
Also, for those who really hasn't any relations to POTO and other performers, or for those who's just not into singing, she does come off as a girl with a sweet and attractive voice. But I have yet to read a reviewer say that he/she really FELT Emmy Rossums singing - that she moved them to tears, that she acted through her singing. Most said that she was dazzling and beautiful and sweet and big eyed, and wih a lovely voice. Like... there was not much more to point out. Lovely girl with sweet voice, doing a brave big eyed interpretation.
RainyCrystal

operafantomet wrote:
Also, for those who really hasn't any relations to POTO and other performers, or for those who's just not into singing, she does come off as a girl with a sweet and attractive voice. But I have yet to read a reviewer say that he/she really FELT Emmy Rossums singing - that she moved them to tears, that she acted through her singing. Most said that she was dazzling and beautiful and sweet and big eyed, and wih a lovely voice. Like... there was not much more to point out. Lovely girl with sweet voice, doing a brave big eyed interpretation.


I absolutely agree.

I just watched the movie for the 2nd time yesterday. I don't know why I did, but I just did. I closely analyzed Emmy Rossum's performance this time, then afterwards, I watched some of the videos that I have of other Christines. I truly feel that a big part of her Christine looking half-asleep throughout the entire movie and acting a little more alive than a statue walking and singing is really Joel Schumacher's fault, not hers. She probably did a good job doing what she was told to do. But it came out looking terrible, due to the absolutely horrible directing.

~Sissi
snaxrax

I dissagree with "how did emma rossum get the part!?" I love her voice as Christine... Sarah Brightman to me has a squeaky voice... also I think that sarah brightman should have played Carlotta if you know what i mean Wink Twisted Evil
Carlotta

Sarah Brightman as Carlotta.... I guess I could see her as Carlotta, but moviewise, Minnie Driver was perfect for the part.
Miss Daae

[quote="snaxrax"]I dissagree with "how did emma rossum get the part!?" I love her voice as Christine... Sarah Brightman to me has a squeaky voice... also I think that sarah brightman should have played Carlotta if you know what i mean Wink Twisted Evil[/quote]

No, I don't. Emmy has a weak voice.
operafantomet

snaxrax wrote:
I dissagree with "how did emma rossum get the part!?" I love her voice as Christine... Sarah Brightman to me has a squeaky voice... also I think that sarah brightman should have played Carlotta if you know what i mean Wink Twisted Evil


I would have absolutely LOVED it if Sarah brightman was casted as Carlotta in the movie. Her voice is more dramatic and operatic nowadays. But Minnie Driver/Margaret Preece was excellent, so I'm not complaining.

STILL: It doesn't change that fact that Emmy Rossum's upper register is weak.
RainyCrystal

operafantomet wrote:
STILL: It doesn't change that fact that Emmy Rossum's upper register is weak.


AND the fact that Emmy Rossum has had absolutely NO training of ANY sort for the role of Christine Daae!

And I have nothing to complain about Minnie Driver/Margaret Preece either. But I simply cannot picture Sarah Brightman as Carlotta. If you really know anything about her, she is just not the Carlotta type, at least to me.

~Sissi
GlamorousGriz

RainyCrystal wrote:
operafantomet wrote:
STILL: It doesn't change that fact that Emmy Rossum's upper register is weak.


AND the fact that Emmy Rossum has had absolutely NO training of ANY sort for the role of Christine Daae!

And I have nothing to complain about Minnie Driver/Margaret Preece either. But I simply cannot picture Sarah Brightman as Carlotta. If you really know anything about her, she is just not the Carlotta type, at least to me.

~Sissi


I don't know about Sarah's personality, but vocally, I could see her as Carlotta. It would be wierder than hell freezing over, but she could sing the role.
RainyCrystal

GlamorousGriz wrote:
I don't know about Sarah's personality, but vocally, I could see her as Carlotta. It would be wierder than hell freezing over, but she could sing the role.


Yes, I do agree that vocally, Sarah is capable of the role of Carlotta. She definitely has the voice and the range, and I really can hear her singing those high scales in Hannibal.

But still, it would be weird... Very Happy

~Sissi
GlamorousGriz

^ I find that actresses that play over-the-top characters (Eva Peron, Norma Desmond, Carlotta, etc) are actually the most down-to-earth people... they're sweet and somewhat reserved and even consider themselves shy...

Not all of them, I'm sure, but this is true of all of the ones I've met... in fact, one of the ladies that played Carlotta said to me "Hal Prince really had to work it out of me".
Elisabetta611

Quote:
If I can handle people constantly bashing and trashing performers that I like, if I can stand how many times Sarah Brightman has been insulted and bashed and not even saying one word, then I don't see how it's impossible for other people to take one small comment. If I can stand Sarah Brightman being called how many rude and disparaging names w/o even making one comment, but then I get a whole angry mob coming at me if I dare to say anything "not good" regarding someone whom they like... well, I've been way too tolerant, haven't I? Am I just not allowed to make any negative comments about anyone? Other people have the right to bash my favorites, and I don't have the right to even say anything that I don't like about theirs?

And I am damn sick and tired of people contantly getting on Sarah Brightman's cases. Damn sick, sick of it. It's almost as if everytime I mention her name, heaven forbid, I regret it! No, I don't "dare" to even mention her, much less how much I like her. No, not that I feel offended, but hell, sometimes, it gets to the degree of me just wanting to say, for god's sakes, leave the woman alone! Whatever you say, that bitch can sing! Emmy Rossum had ONE friggin serious singing lesson in her entire life, whereas Sarah Brightman worked her ass off for how many years. No matter what, she at least deserves some credit for that. And also, one last word: if you've been here long enough, you'll know. This is musicals.net. If you want to "survive" here, then you really can't be the nicest person in the world.

~Sissi


God... Sissi.... I may not have been Sarah's greatest phan but I'm not constantly trashing or abusing Sarah.

I don't want to discuss this in detail but the friggin' lie that Emmy had only one singing lesson in her life ticks ME off! It's NOT true. Period.

As G.B. Shaw said: "Violence only breeds violence!" Lets change that into "Bashing only breeds bashing!". Sad that he was and is right after all.

As for this:

Quote:
This is musicals.net. If you want to "survive" here, then you really can't be the nicest person in the world.


How incredibly sad if this is regarded to be a GOOD forum-policy or way of discussing things. Seems that rudeness and being bossy, harsh & cruel is the only way to get your point across here. A pity, really. And Holly, whether you care about my opinion or not, that last sentence disappointed me an awful lot. I expected better of you.
Elisabetta611

MrsJemimaMistoffelees wrote:
Elisabetta611 wrote:
But not Julie&Sarah, find both of them to be overrated. Razz


Same thing could be said for Emmy Razz

Veel Liefs,
Jemima Very Happy


I agree, even though I like Emmy.
RainyCrystal

Elisabetta611 wrote:
How incredibly sad if this is regarded to be a GOOD forum-policy or way of discussing things. Seems that rudeness and being bossy, harsh & cruel is the only way to get your point across here. A pity, really. And Holly, whether you care about my opinion or not, that last sentence disappointed me an awful lot. I expected better of you.


All I can say is, you don't know musicals.net. I've been here long enough to have this opinion. Musicals.net is not PFN.

And when I was referring to the "people who constantly bash Sarah Brightman", I was not referring to you.

~Sissi
Miss Daae

[quote]I don't want to discuss this in detail but the friggin' lie that Emmy had only one singing lesson in her life ticks ME off! It's NOT true. Period. [/quote]

But she did NOT prepare vocally for the role. That ticks me off. Period.
Elisabetta611

Miss Daae wrote:
Quote:
I don't want to discuss this in detail but the friggin' lie that Emmy had only one singing lesson in her life ticks ME off! It's NOT true. Period.


But she did NOT prepare vocally for the role. That ticks me off. Period.


Yes, she did. It just wasn't as intense and PUBLIC as Gerry's preparation for the part. Plus neither you nor I were there. I do know that each was under the wing of vocal coaches & teachers as recording & filming progressed. ('cause that is how it works) Everyone is free to dislike the outcome. Heck, Joan Sutherland's "perfect" vocalism annoys the hell out of me because she doesn't have a clue how to pronounce Italian, French or German correctly and her non-existant sense for the drama is quite...unheard of. I prefer Maria Callas BY A MILE, imperfections & all.
The Very Angry Woman

Elisabetta611 wrote:
How incredibly sad if this is regarded to be a GOOD forum-policy or way of discussing things. Seems that rudeness and being bossy, harsh & cruel is the only way to get your point across here. A pity, really.


You're not going to march into a synagogue and demand they start serving bacon-wrapped scallops for lunch, are you?

Bye!
Elisabetta611

The Very Angry Woman wrote:
Elisabetta611 wrote:
How incredibly sad if this is regarded to be a GOOD forum-policy or way of discussing things. Seems that rudeness and being bossy, harsh & cruel is the only way to get your point across here. A pity, really.


You're not going to march into a synagogue and demand they start serving bacon-wrapped scallops for lunch, are you?

Bye!


Was that supposed to be witty? I wouldn't dream of trying to change the posting policies here, it would be a sad waste of time. But I'll say what I think of it, take it or leave it. Chacun a son gout, finis.
Miss Daae

Why wasn't Emmy's preparation as intense and public as Gerry's? Christine is just as important a role as the Phantom, if not more so because she does sing more than he does. And I don't care what style of music Phantom is, she is supposed to give the impression she's capable of singing opera. Even if she can't, she should still sound like she could.
Elisabetta611

Miss Daae wrote:
Why wasn't Emmy's preparation as intense and public as Gerry's? Christine is just as important a role as the Phantom, if not more so because she does sing more than he does. And I don't care what style of music Phantom is, she is supposed to give the impression she's capable of singing opera. Even if she can't, she should still sound like she could.


Hehe, I dunno why it wasn't as intense but I don't care whether it's public or not. Yet as for Christines being capable of opera.....about 90% of the Christines I heard (MANY!) couldn't sing an aria to save their lives. Exceptions I heard: Elisabeth Berg, Glenda Balkan, Lisa Vroman, Rebecca Pitcher (Even though I dislike her), Sandra Joseph, Kimilee Bryant, Anna Maria Kauffmann and Megan Star-Lewitt.

Yet my all time favourite will always be Kristin Hölck! Wink

As for KKA or RB....they certainly don't sound like they could sing "La Traviata" right after "Think of Me". (Hearing it called an "aria" still makes me smile..... Razz )

Very Happy
Theatrelife101

I Personally like Emmy's Voice.

Sarah's Annoys the hell out of me. Albiet she is a good singer, but she has one of those voices that you really just have to get used to... (and yes I own the Original London version)
NoOneMournsTheWicked

Why I prefer Sarah to Emmy: In the movie, when everyone is like "Christine is just as good if not better than Carlotta!", my main thought is: What. are. they. smoking? At least Sarah sounds like she stands a chance to Carlotta.
RainyCrystal

Theatrelife101 wrote:
but she has one of those voices that you really just have to get used to...

And you're speaking for how many people? Because I beg to differ. I didn't "have" to get used to her voice at all.

And have you heard anything else that Sarah Brightman has done other than POTO?

And NoOneMournsTheWicked, unfortunately, I cannot disagree with you, although I really, really, really wish I could... Because to my ears, Emmy Rossum's voice just can't even hold a candle to Margaret Preece's.

~Sissi
operafantomet

Elisabetta611 wrote:

As for KKA or RB....they certainly don't sound like they could sing "La Traviata" right after "Think of Me". (Hearing it called an "aria" still makes me smile..... Razz )
Very Happy

"Aria" basically refers to a single melodic piece (solo) from a bigger vocal work. I feel "Think of Me" fits that category very well, and I don't think it differs too much in style from the old Italian arias like "Caro Mio Ben" and "Nel Cor Piú Non Mi Sento".
Miss Daae

And don't the characters call "Think of Me" an aria?
GlamorousGriz

NoOneMournsTheWicked wrote:
Why I prefer Sarah to Emmy: In the movie, when everyone is like "Christine is just as good if not better than Carlotta!", my main thought is: What. are. they. smoking? At least Sarah sounds like she stands a chance to Carlotta.


No one in a real opera company would pick Emmy's voice over Margaret Preece's voice unless they were high.
RainyCrystal

GlamorousGriz wrote:
No one in a real opera company would pick Emmy's voice over Margaret Preece's voice unless they were high.


Same can be said about the audience unless they really don't have ears.

~Sissi
GlamorousGriz

RainyCrystal wrote:
GlamorousGriz wrote:
No one in a real opera company would pick Emmy's voice over Margaret Preece's voice unless they were high.


Same can be said about the audience unless they really don't have ears.

~Sissi


Yes... exactly...
Elisabetta611

operafantomet wrote:
Elisabetta611 wrote:

As for KKA or RB....they certainly don't sound like they could sing "La Traviata" right after "Think of Me". (Hearing it called an "aria" still makes me smile..... Razz )
Very Happy

"Aria" basically refers to a single melodic piece (solo) from a bigger vocal work. I feel "Think of Me" fits that category very well, and I don't think it differs too much in style from the old Italian arias like "Caro Mio Ben" and "Nel Cor Piú Non Mi Sento".


Oh...it does. Those two are arias while the other is a beautiful pop-ballad with a cadenza thrown in. Twisted Evil Razz Very Happy
Elisabetta611

RainyCrystal wrote:
GlamorousGriz wrote:
No one in a real opera company would pick Emmy's voice over Margaret Preece's voice unless they were high.


Same can be said about the audience unless they really don't have ears.

~Sissi


I love Emmy's voice.........


*Looks for ears*

THERE they are.

In other words: BLAH! If seen similar rubbish (Sorry) written on Callas and it made me laugh. If people can't deal with the fact that others may like singers you hate for absolutely fine reasons, TOUGH. Dislike her for all I care but generalising like that is beyond ignorant and arrogant. I've heard, (I'm sorry, Sissi, but maybe then you'll understand) fans of MC say that whoever preferred Steve as von Krolock must be deaf or high. (Won't mention their reasons....) Drove me just as insane. If people like MC as von Krolock, fine. But they don't have the right to spill such nonsense on other performers of the part. Get my point?

I LOVE Emmy's voice and disliked Preece's singing in the movie (I liked her better on stage) as she was only following cheap prejudices on primadonnas. And I'm neither taking drugs nor am I lacking ears.

And in all honesty: Still bashing the movie cast? The movie is a year old soon, the DVD is out for months.

AH, I came up with something!

Those who keep beating that dead horse (Bashing the movie & the cast) either have no life or no imagination that could lead to something else that actually matters.

I know it ain't true, I'm being sarcastic.....but neither is this crapping on Emmy and those who love her voice.
Elisabetta611

BTW:

That Callas-quote in your sig:

She did say that it was like comparing champagne to fine cognac. But a journalist added the coca cola. (They made up tons of stuff to fan the flames....) Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

And I prefer coke to both champagne AND cognac. Twisted Evil Laughing

But voice-wise Callas absolutely is my ideal. Laughing
RainyCrystal

Maria Callas is not Emmy Rossum.

One is a trained, professional opera singer, one is not.

~Sissi
Roaming Tigress

I haven't seen Sarah in PoTO (aside from her appearing in videoclips, music videos, etc) and her CDs and personally I think she did a good job, especially since she was in PoTO at the start of her career.
Elisabetta611

RainyCrystal wrote:
Maria Callas is not Emmy Rossum.

One is a trained, professional opera singer, one is not.

~Sissi


You think I don't know that? What I meant was a basic rule of courtesy. Ok, there are people who say that Pia Douwes should never have been picked to create the role of ELISABETH. (Yeah, there are quite a lot of those)....... They say all she ever did was screech. Now you get my point? Very Happy
RainyCrystal

Well, I know. There are people out there who think Mozart was the most horrible composer ever existed. Though I just can never understand the mentality of some of those people, there's nothing anybody can do about it...

And Pia Douwes... screech? About time for those people to clean out their ear wax...

And it's not that I just have a major problem w/ people liking Emmy's voice. But the fact that her voice is so untrained and undeveloped simply makes all the applauding and cheering from the audiences in the movie, people whom I'd think are upper-class aristocrats who understand music and appreciate opera, look unbelievable to me. Bottom line, I blame the people who made the movie for not considering the importance of training.

~Sissi
GlamorousGriz

Elisabetta611 wrote:

But voice-wise Callas absolutely is my ideal. Laughing


Callas kicks some major @$$... so does Renata Tebaldi.

Back to Emmy. Emmy does have a nice voice, yes, but I think that the point that is trying to be made here is that it's just not believable that a singer with Emmy's voice would replace a soprano of Margaret Preece's calibre in a real opera company. Margaret really sauced it up for the movie in "Think of Me", yes, and it's terrible - it's supposed to sound terrible, but it's also beautiful in its own way. I think that one of the reasons why she sauced it up as much as she did was because she knew that Emmy's "Think of Me" had to sound very pure, clear, and refreshing, and again, her voice was not believeable enough to replace the leading soprano in an opera company; Margaret had to help it along a bit, and she did.
RainyCrystal

And no matter how "bad" Margaret Preece's voice sounded, at least it sounded like the voice of a trained singer.

~Sissi
operafantomet

GlamorousGriz wrote:
Back to Emmy. Emmy does have a nice voice, yes, but I think that the point that is trying to be made here is that it's just not believable that a singer with Emmy's voice would replace a soprano of Margaret Preece's calibre in a real opera company. Margaret really sauced it up for the movie in "Think of Me", yes, and it's terrible - it's supposed to sound terrible, but it's also beautiful in its own way. I think that one of the reasons why she sauced it up as much as she did was because she knew that Emmy's "Think of Me" had to sound very pure, clear, and refreshing, and again, her voice was not believeable enough to replace the leading soprano in an opera company; Margaret had to help it along a bit, and she did.

Yes, that is a good point. Many people are "scared" by operatic voices and the classical way of singing, so I think they choose a Christine with as little scary voice as possible. There's no way Emmy Rossum's voice could be called classical, trained or operatic. It has POTENTIAL - yes. But there's a long road ahead. And I think her gentle and *tries to think of a positive way of calling the singing flat* style was ideal for what they wanted. And as GlamorousGriz pointed out, they put Carlotta in the other end of the scale.

My main issue, as most people here points out, is that it's not believeable that Christine could even compete with Carlotta. A gentle and floating voice doesn't necessairly call for an underdeveloped voice or a bad technique, and that's where I feel they failed. Think of Joke de Kruijf... Elisabeth Berg.... Lee Hye-Kyung.... Susan Owen.... Jill Washington... Lisa Vroman... All these women have this gentle quality to their voice, but I don't doubt for a second that their Christine could compete with Carlotta. To me THEY represent this "new and pure sound" that the Phantom loved in Christine and didn't find in Carlotta, as well as showing off a strong upper range and a good technique.

And I've always found this crucical: Carlotta is not a bad singer. She is the favourite soprano of all of Paris, for heavens sake! But the reason why she feels threatened by Christine is that Christine represents something new, something Carlotta can never possess. Those who say that Carlotta needs to be ugly and sing bad... well, I think they're missing an essential part of the plot. The Phantom love Christine for her pure heart which shines through in her equal pure voice. I don't think the Phantom actually dislike Carlottas voice all that much - it's rather that he disapprove with how she is as a person, and he means that shines through in her singing. If that makes sense....
GlamorousGriz

operafantomet wrote:
GlamorousGriz wrote:
Back to Emmy. Emmy does have a nice voice, yes, but I think that the point that is trying to be made here is that it's just not believable that a singer with Emmy's voice would replace a soprano of Margaret Preece's calibre in a real opera company. Margaret really sauced it up for the movie in "Think of Me", yes, and it's terrible - it's supposed to sound terrible, but it's also beautiful in its own way. I think that one of the reasons why she sauced it up as much as she did was because she knew that Emmy's "Think of Me" had to sound very pure, clear, and refreshing, and again, her voice was not believeable enough to replace the leading soprano in an opera company; Margaret had to help it along a bit, and she did.

Yes, that is a good point. Many people are "scared" by operatic voices and the classical way of singing, so I think they choose a Christine with as little scary voice as possible. There's no way Emmy Rossum's voice could be called classical, trained or operatic. It has POTENTIAL - yes. But there's a long road ahead. And I think her gentle and *tries to think of a positive way of calling the singing flat* style was ideal for what they wanted. And as GlamorousGriz pointed out, they put Carlotta in the other end of the scale.

My main issue, as most people here points out, is that it's not believeable that Christine could even compete with Carlotta. A gentle and floating voice doesn't necessairly call for an underdeveloped voice or a bad technique, and that's where I feel they failed. Think of Joke de Kruijf... Elisabeth Berg.... Lee Hye-Kyung.... Susan Owen.... Jill Washington... Lisa Vroman... All these women have this gentle quality to their voice, but I don't doubt for a second that their Christine could compete with Carlotta. To me THEY represent this "new and pure sound" that the Phantom loved in Christine and didn't find in Carlotta, as well as showing off a strong upper range and a good technique.

And I've always found this crucical: Carlotta is not a bad singer. She is the favourite soprano of all of Paris, for heavens sake! But the reason why she feels threatened by Christine is that Christine represents something new, something Carlotta can never possess. Those who say that Carlotta needs to be ugly and sing bad... well, I think they're missing an essential part of the plot. The Phantom love Christine for her pure heart which shines through in her equal pure voice. I don't think the Phantom actually dislike Carlottas voice all that much - it's rather that he disapprove with how she is as a person, and he means that shines through in her singing. If that makes sense....


Sì, sì, sì!
RainyCrystal

Anea, you pretty much said everything that all of us have been trying to say.

Does Emmy have a hopeful voice that can lead to very good singing? I think I can say yes. But is her voice in the POTO movie good enough to convince people that she can actually beat a professionally trained opera prima donna? No. It would be like saying Sarah Brightman can beat Maria Callas. Do I love Sarah's voice, and do I think she definitely has the potential, and do I love listening to her? Absolutely! But can she compete with a trained, professional opera star? No.

~Sissi
Miss Daae

Emmy has a promising voice. For pop singing or for musicals with far less demanding scores. She probably could belt far better than she can sing Christine's part. If they ever did a Les Miz movie, she'd be a good Eponine. Provided she put more feeling and emotion into her singing as well. She had none of that in Phantom. It was like she was just singing. There is no happiness or ectasy in her "Angel of Music! Guide and guardian!" like so many stage actresses have. There was no soul in it, IMO.
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