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Anno_Domini

ONE element of the play that you wish had been in the film

Of course, many will have more than one. All of these are elements that were cut from the film, although I may have missed some.
benjivaudeville

I didn't vote on what I wish had been in the film but rather what I feel ought to have been.

I picked 'Ah Miss' as I felt that the relationship between Anthony and Johanna was really underdeveloped and just felt all too sudden in the film.
Mistress

I voted on the dialogue and bad puns form Little Priest, but really I missed everything you mentioned with exception to Johanna's mucrospic bit in the Johanna Quartet (although it wouldn't be a quartet without her...it was only a trio Laughing)...and Ah! Miss probably would not have worked out well with Burton's vision in the film.

Another thing I missed that wasn't on the list was Toby's talking about fighting off monster's and ogres at the beginning of Not While I'm Around. In the film he went straight to talking about evil people and Todd...he sorta lost his naivete that way...
Salome

the Mea Culpa by far.
apart from that and the 2nd half of Ladies in their Sensitivites..I didnt miss the other cuts.
Catherine

The ensemble in God That's Good! and the talking in A Little Priest. It seemed a bit bland without it.
Tenalto

I voted for "Kiss Me," even though it's not my favorite piece. I think that it adds some levity to a dark story -- young people home alone when they shouldn't be, freaking out that the "parents" are going to return. It makes things relate a little more for some people, and it balances the main beat of "revenge, death, angst." I miss Crazy!Toby a great deal, though. And the Ballads. And the "A Little Priest" banter.
Salome

true i did miss the ensemble singing too.
Sweeney Hyde

This is difficult...It's a tie for me between Mea Culpa, the Ballads, and the cuts in A Little Priest.

On that note, I resent calling what was cut "bad puns."
Anno_Domini

I meant no offence, I assure you. I was incredibly saddened when they were cut. But the fact is that Sondheim meant for many of the puns to be so bad they were hilarious. Example:

"No, no, that's not fiddle player, it's piccolo player"
"How can you tell?"
"...it's piping hot"

*sigh* I shall never forget the way Hearn delivered that line
Mr. Green
Sweeney Hyde

I still wouldn't call them bad...not by a long shot.
RainbowJude

Missing Bits

The thing that hurts the film most is the removal of the Beggar Woman's first appearance. It tips the delicate construction of the narrative from tragedy into a pure revenge melodrama. All for the sake of a flashback that destroys the effectiveness of every later appearance of the character and the moment of recognition that is such a integral part of the plot.

Gotta love Tim Burton's emphasis of style over substance....

Later days
David
Anno_Domini

Quote:
I still wouldn't call them bad...not by a long shot.


Look, I said I was using the term respectfully, but whatever. Resent away
Salome

the whole bit is music hall routine..in that respect wheeler and sondheim used worn out music hall jokes. so yes they are "bad' jokes. but used in a clever way.

which is also why the bit wouldnt have worked in burton's film version.
Mistress

Re: Missing Bits

RainbowJude wrote:
The thing that hurts the film most is the removal of the Beggar Woman's first appearance. It tips the delicate construction of the narrative from tragedy into a pure revenge melodrama. All for the sake of a flashback that destroys the effectiveness of every later appearance of the character and the moment of recognition that is such a integral part of the plot.

Gotta love Tim Burton's emphasis of style over substance....

Later days
David


Still you have to admit, they did a decent job of keeping the Beggar Woman's face hidden so we wouldn't recognize her too early. However I did find one slip...where we first see her walking down the street, for a split second we see her face and it's obviously Lucy from the flashbacks, but like I said, it'a split-dsecond shot that most people would probably miss....but yes, I did miss the Beggar Woman's rantings and dirty naval sex talk Laughing
Pannic

Mea Culpa by far. Rickman would've been able to do it so well. He's probably my all-time favorite judge, next to the one in the concert video (Timothy Nolan?)
lost in the darkness 101

I personally really miss the final scene because since they had such a young boy play Toby, the scene would have been just a little more disturbing Laughing
lost in the darkness 101

oh i have another one,
I am kinda disapointed about the fact that they cut out " City On Fire"
because i loved that song XD
EponineBarker

Darn it! I'm torn between "Kiss Me", "Mea Culpa," the puns in "A Little Priest" & the ensemble singing.

I would've loved to see "Kiss Me" in there because, like other people have said, Anthony and Johanna's relationship was really underdeveloped. I was watching the concert version of Sweeney Todd on youtube and Anthony & Johanna really loved each other...in the film, it seemed more like a friendship or a crush at the most. Some of the dialogue in the scene where Anthony is telling Todd about Johanna, kinda ruined it for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t20Y4SRCe8

"Surely a sign that Johanna wants me to help her?" I didn't like that too much...but then again, I guess it's more realistic, considering they haven't even met then. Confused

But "Mea Culpa" would've worked so well in Burton's film, 'cause it would've developed the Judge's character more. (I was really looking forward to seeing Alan Rickman doing that number, actually.)

And "God, That's Good!" & "Pirelli's Elixir seemed kinda...empty? (I can't think of any other words at present.) It just would've been better if they included the ensemble.

And it would've been nice if "A Little Priest" was funnier in the film.
Kragey

Of course I missed Turpin's Mea Culpa, but the film managed to function without it. When they took out "Ah Miss" and "Kiss Me," Antony's sudden obsession with Johanna was downright creepy.

I FEEL YOU, JOHANNA! I AM IN THE DARK BESIDE YOU!
RainbowJude

Re: Missing Bits

Mistress wrote:
Still you have to admit, they did a decent job of keeping the Beggar Woman's face hidden so we wouldn't recognize her too early. However I did find one slip...where we first see her walking down the street, for a split second we see her face and it's obviously Lucy from the flashbacks, but like I said, it's split-second shot that most people would probably miss....but yes, I did miss the Beggar Woman's rantings and dirty naval sex talk Laughing


I disagree. The fact that Burton then had to hide her face so obviously made it so obvious that there was a big reason for the face being hidden. And then with the moments where you can make out it's her, the whole attempt is sabotaged anyway.

And it's really not about missing the rantings and dirty naval sex talk. The whole point is that the Beggar Woman/Lucy is the first person he sees when he gets off the ship and yet he doesn't recognize her, not only because she has changed but because he has too. Returning to London to find Lucy and his daughter is his entire intention at this point and if he had recognized Lucy here, the action of the entire narrative would be different. So when he does recognize her at the end, his whole moment of recognition is watered down because he has not got this retrospective moment to confront in the present moment. It becomes focused on Lovett's lie and that in itself makes it melodramatic rather than tragic, which really weakens the piece as a whole.

Later days
David
Mistress

Wow...I never sawe it like that...it's very interesting...
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