LaurelDP
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The only beef I have with weed is that it's illegal. And I don't want my friends or my family to get in trouble.
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La Boheme
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | I see what you're saying, but most people would say that smoking pot and the occasional Burger King fix are nowhere near the same category. |
Neither are enjoying the occasional joint and having Burger King as a regular part of your diet.
It goes both ways.
The lesson here, I think, is everything in moderation.
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LoneWanderer
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| La Boheme wrote: |
Neither are enjoying the occasional joint and having Burger King as a regular part of your diet.
It goes both ways.
The lesson here, I think, is everything in moderation. |
Exactly. In no way do I think its ok to smoke 7 times a week (yes I know some people who do), one shouldn't let it interfere with the rest of your life. If you are hanging around and have some free time with friends though, it seems like an alright thing to do.
As far as the weed being illegal...I try to follow the idea that what is right should decide what's legal and not the other way around. Unfortunatly, the government can't afford to legalize pot (would kill many an industry, e.g. the paper industry).
~The Lone Wanderer
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Quique
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As I stated before, I'm not against smokers or smoking. I will advise someone who is considering it, not to do it. I wouldn't advise them in a passionate or aggressive manner either, because ultimately, it's their choice and it's not something I feel so strongly about to begin with. I would be a bit more careful though, if it involves a teenager. Let the last few pages prove that some teenagers take-up the habit based on very naive reasoning.
The only thing I didn't like was the condoning of it and saying things that make it look like it's just a bit of fun and part of growing-up. Many people regret ever having gotten into that and go through significant hardship with quitting. I respect anyone's choice to smoke but I don't respect undermining its dangers.
It's one thing to decide for oneself whether or not to take it up and another getting misinformation that may lead to an uneducated decision.
As for moderation, in a perfect world, that would see the end of addictions but we all know that addictions know no moderation. Not everyone gets addicted and goes out of control, I know, but it does happen...often.
So yeah, I was only voicing my disappointment with the way people were making this out to be some fun and harmless pastime - it very well could be but it depends on the individual as well - like varying personalities, there are differing experiences with smoking. I just don't think it's wise or fair to base all other experiences on yours alone.
And La Boheme is right about there being many other habits that we all engage in, that aren't exactly the healthiest. I'll touch on those when there's a thread about them, hehe.
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olly
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| La Boheme wrote: | My point was that smoking (tobacco or weed) isn't worse for you than a lot of the other, more acceptable, 'bad' choices people make.
How many people here think its trashy/disgusting/lame/wasting your life to:
- drink alcohol
- eat fast food
- be overweight
- not exercise
- drink soda/pop
- eat tons of candy
All these things are bad for you to various extents comparable to smoking. They're just more socially acceptable.
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again. |
I just have to say - obeseness is not socially acceptable. There are reports everyday about it in the newspapers. There's televeision programs about it etc. It is not, in my view (and most of the people I know), socially acceptable to be obese. It is as bad as what were discussing.
NB: When I say obese, I mean dangerously, very unhealthily. I don't mean the odd overweight person.
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La Boheme
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| olly wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: | My point was that smoking (tobacco or weed) isn't worse for you than a lot of the other, more acceptable, 'bad' choices people make.
How many people here think its trashy/disgusting/lame/wasting your life to:
- drink alcohol
- eat fast food
- be overweight
- not exercise
- drink soda/pop
- eat tons of candy
All these things are bad for you to various extents comparable to smoking. They're just more socially acceptable.
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again. |
I just have to say - obeseness is not socially acceptable. There are reports about it everyday about it in the newspapers. There's televeision programs about it etc. It is not, in my view (and most of the people I know), to be obese. It is as bad as what were discussing.
NB: When I say obese, I mean dangerously, very unhealthily. I don't mean the odd overweight person. |
Thats true.
Although they don't make fat and non-fat sections in restaurants, to prevent non-fatties from sharing the same air as the fat ones.
 
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olly
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For those of you in England (preferably smokers), what do you think about banning smoking in public places and pubs. Our local recently banned smoking and so many more people have started coming in. I think it's the right thing to do. Some smokers I know also think it's right. What do you think?
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Quique
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| La Boheme wrote: | Thats true.
Although they don't make fat and non-fat sections in restaurants, to prevent non-fatties from sharing the same air as the fat ones.
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LOL.
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olly
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| La Boheme wrote: | | olly wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: | My point was that smoking (tobacco or weed) isn't worse for you than a lot of the other, more acceptable, 'bad' choices people make.
How many people here think its trashy/disgusting/lame/wasting your life to:
- drink alcohol
- eat fast food
- be overweight
- not exercise
- drink soda/pop
- eat tons of candy
All these things are bad for you to various extents comparable to smoking. They're just more socially acceptable.
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again. |
I just have to say - obeseness is not socially acceptable. There are reports about it everyday about it in the newspapers. There's televeision programs about it etc. It is not, in my view (and most of the people I know), to be obese. It is as bad as what were discussing.
NB: When I say obese, I mean dangerously, very unhealthily. I don't mean the odd overweight person. |
Thats true.
Although they don't make fat and non-fat sections in restaurants, to prevent non-fatties from sharing the same air as the fat ones.
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Lol no, but then again, nowadays that would be highly Impolitically Correct. (Yes, I know, one could argue that about ciggarettes, but people are more sensitive about their weight).
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whimsical
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| La Boheme wrote: |
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again. |
People who act "holier than thou" about it even make me want to start smoking. And I've never smoked before.
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singinginlarain
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| olly wrote: | | singinginlarain wrote: | | I understand it is bad for your health, but it is something i personally think that everyone should try once in life. It's fun, and part of growing up! |
What?! How can you say trying a ciggarette is like a rite of passage? Even though smoking kills etc, everyone should try it... I just don't see where you are coming from with that argument. Why should everyone try it? Basically if you try it, you have the potential of getting addicted - what is the point?
There are many more ways to have fun than smoking. How do you think all the non-smokers have fun? If you quit and don't smoke, you'll find a away of "having fun" without smoking. |
I was talking about weed, sorry, should have been more clear. I would never touch a ciggarette. And I know there are other ways of having fun like shopping, movies, dance parties! I enjoy all of these, I'm just saying, don't knock it till you've tried it! I think it's easier to try things when you are younger, and pot isn't addicting! I am not telling everyone out and buy a gram and a bong, I'm just saying that it's an experience that is nice to have.
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La Boheme
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I know it seems like I'm flipping sides here...but thats what happens when you inhabit the middle ground most of the time.
Pot is "addicting" (by which I assume you mean addictive?)
It is perhaps not so physically addictive as nicotine, but psychologically, it can be immensely addictive.
It all depends on the person...weed isn't "better" than tobacco, or vice versa.
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MrsJamieWellerstein
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| olly wrote: | | For those of you in England (preferably smokers), what do you think about banning smoking in public places and pubs. Our local recently banned smoking and so many more people have started coming in. I think it's the right thing to do. Some smokers I know also think it's right. What do you think? |
They've done that in a few places here in the US too (Boston, where I live, being one of them).
I find that discouraging smoking in restaraunts (I am nearly incapable of spelling that word, sorry if it's wrong) is a pretty good idea, personally, but not because of the smoke itself. I think it's a good idea because I don't want someone accidentally dropping ash in my food.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| whimsical wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: |
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again. |
People who act "holier than thou" about it even make me want to start smoking. And I've never smoked before. |
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You make me happy.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| La Boheme wrote: |
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again. |
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I don't even like people who wear the wrong shoes. I am not gonna start liking smokers!!!! They are gross and weak. QUIT!!
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Kragey
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| LoneWanderer wrote: | | Alcohol seems clearly worse than weed to me. |
Generally, I agree.
(I almost typed, "French fries and weed? SIGN ME UP." But then I reread what Beagle posted. O_O)
| La Boheme wrote: |
Although they don't make fat and non-fat sections in restaurants, to prevent non-fatties from sharing the same air as the fat ones.
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That shit's going in my signature.
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La Boheme
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: |
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again. |
I don't even like people who wear the wrong shoes. I am not gonna start liking smokers!!!! They are gross and weak. QUIT!! |
I did.
And I'm suffering.
But I will survive.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| La Boheme wrote: |
But I will survive. |
A lot longer than you would have!! Congrats!!
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Kad
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | Well I'm not interested in sitting around in a basement stoned because I have more important things to do than that. My life has purpose, and chasing rabbits does not forward that at all. Besides, my body is a temple. And it's only smoking in the sense that it truly IS smokin'.
And for what it's worth, cynicism isn't very attractive. |
Neither's vanity. Or self-righteousness. But you chain smoke those.
Anyway:
I don't smoke (anything), and don't plan to. I don't really want to and can't stand smoke anyway. I'm not going to judge people who do. Just make sure we're not close to each other when they're engaging in it.
I have other vices to keep me happy.
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La Boheme
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: |
But I will survive. |
A lot longer than you would have!! Congrats!! |
Thank you.
On a side note:
Which would you prefer, an ugly non-smoker, or a hot smoker?
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Kad
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In re: Mary Jane
Pot, compared to cigarettes, is better. However, the problem is, it's not controlled (in most places)- so you MAY be buying a bag of it, but it could be laced with other nasty stuff. The pot's not bad- it's THOSE additives and things and laced with that make it a thousand times worse.
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MrsJamieWellerstein
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MJ VS Cigarettes...the smell of the latter, while unpleasant, is better than the smell of the former, which made an Aerosmith concert a bit irritating.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| La Boheme wrote: | | Which would you prefer, an ugly non-smoker, or a hot smoker? |
Prefer for what? A relationship? I would never date a smoker. I don't care how hot they are. I'm hot enough for myself. HAHA
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Beagle On Stage
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| Kad wrote: | | Neither's vanity. Or self-righteousness. But you chain smoke those. |
Well!
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wicked_diva
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| lineyjoe wrote: | | I know how to smoke properly, but I still get a nicotine buzz every time because I always go a really long time without it. As for marijuana...what else are kids in the suburbs supposed to do? |
There is no such thing as "smoking properly." And I live in the suburbs, and have all my life. None of my friends smoke or do pot, and the only people that do pot at my school, besides the ones who have that bad reputation anyway, are the cheerleaders.
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I can't belive wicked diva's attitude..thats disgusting. If you plan to be an actor remeber you will have a role sooner or later who is required to smoke. lets see what happens when it comes bewtween your higfh and mighty attitude and keeping a part. |
If I am ever given a part where they demand that I actually smoke real ciggarettes, I will not take it. If they can't let me use a little white piece of paper, and insist on me endangering my life, then they are disgusting and not worth my time. Just like smokers...
| La Boheme wrote: | My point was that smoking (tobacco or weed) isn't worse for you than a lot of the other, more acceptable, 'bad' choices people make.
How many people here think its trashy/disgusting/lame/wasting your life to:
- drink alcohol
- eat fast food
- be overweight
- not exercise
- drink soda/pop
- eat tons of candy
All these things are bad for you to various extents comparable to smoking. They're just more socially acceptable. |
I am guilty of being overweight. However, I am not guilty of any of your other "bad for you" things. Therefore, I think I am entitled to say that smokers suck.
| singinginlarain wrote: | | olly wrote: | | singinginlarain wrote: | | I understand it is bad for your health, but it is something i personally think that everyone should try once in life. It's fun, and part of growing up! |
[color=green]What?! How can you say trying a ciggarette is like a rite of passage? Even though smoking kills etc, everyone should try it... I just don't see where you are coming from with that argument. Why should everyone try it? Basically if you try it, you have the potential of getting addicted - what is the point?
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I was talking about weed, sorry, should have been more clear. I would never touch a ciggarette. ... I'm just saying, don't knock it till you've tried it! ... I'm just saying that it's an experience that is nice to have. |
That is absolutely ridiculous. Don't you have better things to do in your life than smoke pot "just to have tried it?"
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TheOneAndOnly
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wicked_diva, I was going to quote all the shite you said, but it's not worth is since that entire post was such.
Smoking pot does not necessarily make you a bad person, or give a bad reputation. There is one guy in drama at our school is stoned every weekend. He is in chorus, very popular, gets good parts in shows, and does very well in school.
Saying someone is not worth your time because they smoke shows just how immature you must be. If you are judging someone just because of one thing they do, and not by them as a person, then you are too small minded to see past human flaws to their real character.
I just decided being over weight is disgusting, you are now not worth my time and you suck.
Don't you have better things to do then spew your ignorant dribble?
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La Boheme
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| wicked_diva wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: | My point was that smoking (tobacco or weed) isn't worse for you than a lot of the other, more acceptable, 'bad' choices people make.
How many people here think its trashy/disgusting/lame/wasting your life to:
- drink alcohol
- eat fast food
- be overweight
- not exercise
- drink soda/pop
- eat tons of candy
All these things are bad for you to various extents comparable to smoking. They're just more socially acceptable. |
I am guilty of being overweight. However, I am not guilty of any of your other "bad for you" things. Therefore, I think I am entitled to say that smokers suck. |
You're really really not. Its none of your ---- business.
I don't tell you that you are gross and disgusting and suck because you're overweight.
And if I did, you would be offended.
How is it different?
If you don't want to smoke, thats fine. Some people do. Deal with it. Judging them just makes you look really quite sad.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| La Boheme wrote: | | wicked_diva wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: | My point was that smoking (tobacco or weed) isn't worse for you than a lot of the other, more acceptable, 'bad' choices people make.
How many people here think its trashy/disgusting/lame/wasting your life to:
- drink alcohol
- eat fast food
- be overweight
- not exercise
- drink soda/pop
- eat tons of candy
All these things are bad for you to various extents comparable to smoking. They're just more socially acceptable. |
I am guilty of being overweight. However, I am not guilty of any of your other "bad for you" things. Therefore, I think I am entitled to say that smokers suck. |
You're really really not. Its none of your ---- business.
I don't tell you that you are gross and disgusting and suck because you're overweight.
And if I did, you would be offended.
How is it different?
If you don't want to smoke, thats fine. Some people do. Deal with it. Judging them just makes you look really quite sad. |
At this point smoking is like having a mullet. It's totally out of style and hell on your social life.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
At this point smoking is like having a mullet. It's totally out of style and hell on your social life. |
But does that mean that you should judge people because they smoke and assume thay all suck?
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The REAL Ciaron
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
At this point smoking is like having a mullet. It's totally out of style and hell on your social life. |
But does that mean that you should judge people because they smoke and assume thay all suck? |
They take part in a disgusting habit. I never said they were bad people.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
At this point smoking is like having a mullet. It's totally out of style and hell on your social life. |
But does that mean that you should judge people because they smoke and assume thay all suck? |
They take part in a disgusting habit. I never said they were bad people. |
See wicked_diva? You can think its gross and not hate people who do it.
YE GADDS IT IS POSSIBLE! 
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wicked_diva
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | The REAL Ciaron wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
At this point smoking is like having a mullet. It's totally out of style and hell on your social life. |
But does that mean that you should judge people because they smoke and assume thay all suck? |
They take part in a disgusting habit. I never said they were bad people. |
See wicked_diva? You can think its gross and not hate people who do it.
YE GADDS IT IS POSSIBLE! |
I don't hate the people themselves. But I agree with Ciaron in that they're weak.
And the whole "I have the right to judge them" thing was more of a joke, really... I was wondering how heated the response to that would be.
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belleboi80
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| Quote: | | If I am ever given a part where they demand that I actually smoke real ciggarettes, I will not take it. If they can't let me use a little white piece of paper, and insist on me endangering my life, then they are disgusting and not worth my time. |
If you ever do professional theater and this happens, please let me know when you tell this to the director, I would enjoy seeing it
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TheOneAndOnly
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| wicked_diva wrote: |
I don't hate the people themselves. But I agree with Ciaron in that they're weak.
And the whole "I have the right to judge them" thing was more of a joke, really... I was wondering how heated the response to that would be. |
Oh dear, you were just trying to get a rise out of me, hmm? Well, you did, congratulations. And frankly, because you've shown to be immature, I don't give a flying fuuck what you think.
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Caitlin (Pipes)
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| belleboi80 wrote: | | Quote: | | If I am ever given a part where they demand that I actually smoke real ciggarettes, I will not take it. If they can't let me use a little white piece of paper, and insist on me endangering my life, then they are disgusting and not worth my time. |
If you ever do professional theater and this happens, please let me know when you tell this to the director, I would enjoy seeing it |
Why can't you just use Kickums? I've had to smoke those in shows.
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TheOneAndOnly
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I think remember Salome telling me something about how you are more likely to get hired if you've smoked before, because you already know how to do it and are comfortable with it. Is that right?
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ShadowInTheWings
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Personally, I would probably be less likely to cast a smoker (at least in a singing role). I've heard what smoking has done to my mothers speaking voice, and it's not pretty. I wouldn't take a chance on someone's voice crapping out on them halfway through a run because they smoke.
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Quique
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Wicked Diva is not saying she has something against the people, it's all about the smoking. Her words are strong but I'm sure we all have strong words of our own, regarding other habits.
The One and Only, you silly goose! 
You're upset at Wicked Diva for having expressed what you interpreted as intolerance and hatred toward smokers, but you're doing the same right back at her with your colorful langauge, hehe. Actually, you're not doing the same as she, because she wasn't even expressing hate toward anyone. She can loath the act of smoking all she wants, doesn't mean she hates you.
Anyway...Oh God! I shouldn't have gotten that 24 ouncer Sumatra Dark. I'm all high n' hyper now.
And yes, I know that was totally random. Should I grow even more insane this night, please ignore the likes of me, lol.
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TheOneAndOnly
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I see your point, Quique, and I apologize for jumping the way that I did. I don't hate wicked_diva, I was very angry with her. I am so sorry that I questioned her intelligence, as I don't think she is an unintelligent person, just someone who is very set in their opinions.
But, for the record, | Quote: | | Therefore, I think I am entitled to say that smokers suck. |
she was expressing hatred towards smokers as a whole. I had specific reasons for expressing hatred towards a specific person. She had gendered reasons for hating generalized people.
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Quique
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Hehe, wasn't scolding you. Just in case I came-off that way, hehe. No problem honey, debating is fun. There seems to be less of that lately. It's essential for those like me whom just can't keep their mouths shut, haha.
I'm going to be up all night now thanks to that coffee. Coffee usually doesn't affect me and can still fall asleep after drinking it, but tonight's was extra STRONG!
Eh, I'll probably watch a movie, or something...like Star Wars, that'll surely inspire some shut-eye.
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Salome
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| ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | Personally, I would probably be less likely to cast a smoker (at least in a singing role). I've heard what smoking has done to my mothers speaking voice, and it's not pretty. I wouldn't take a chance on someone's voice crapping out on them halfway through a run because they smoke. |
oh..so you wouldnt cast
John Cullum
Bebe Neuwirth
Melissa Errico
Matt Broderick
Michael Ball
Ruthie Henshall
Sheri Renee Scott
Tom Hewitt
Hugh Jackman
Josefina Gabrielle
Julie Andrews
Meg Bussert
Elaine Stritch
John McMartin
Kim Crosby
or any of the other great broadway stars who smoke?
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Salome wrote: | | ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | Personally, I would probably be less likely to cast a smoker (at least in a singing role). I've heard what smoking has done to my mothers speaking voice, and it's not pretty. I wouldn't take a chance on someone's voice crapping out on them halfway through a run because they smoke. |
oh..so you wouldnt cast
John Cullum
Bebe Neuwirth
Melissa Errico
Matt Broderick
Michael Ball
Ruthie Henshall
Sheri Renee Scott
Tom Hewitt
Hugh Jackman
Josefina Gabrielle
Julie Andrews
Meg Bussert
Elaine Stritch
John McMartin
Kim Crosby
or any of the other great broadway stars who smoke? |
I would hire them (except for Ruthie Haneshall) but I wouldn't stand close to them. Smelly!!
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olly
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| Salome wrote: | | ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | Personally, I would probably be less likely to cast a smoker (at least in a singing role). I've heard what smoking has done to my mothers speaking voice, and it's not pretty. I wouldn't take a chance on someone's voice crapping out on them halfway through a run because they smoke. |
oh..so you wouldnt cast
Michael Ball
Ruthie Henshall
Hugh Jackman
Julie Andrews
or any of the other great broadway stars who smoke? |
These people smoke?! Michael Ball???? Julie Andrews???? What? They are two of the most fantastic singers I'ver heard (I know, slightly contoversial).
Does Hugh Jackman sing? I only know him from movies. For example, Swordfish and Van Helsing.
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Salome
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does jackman sing?????
he won the tony for Boy From Oz two years ago. he won the Olivier award fro Oklahoma in london in 1999. he is one of te astages finest musical theatre stars.
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olly
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| Salome wrote: | does jackman sing?????
he won the tony for Boy From Oz two years ago. he won the Olivier award fro Oklahoma in london in 1999. he is one of te astages finest musical theatre stars. |
Yes... Well... I obviously didn't know
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MrsJamieWellerstein
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| olly wrote: | | Salome wrote: | does jackman sing?????
he won the tony for Boy From Oz two years ago. he won the Olivier award fro Oklahoma in london in 1999. he is one of te astages finest musical theatre stars. |
Yes... Well... I obviously didn't know |
And you're pretty much alone there 
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olly
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| MrsJamieWellerstein wrote: | | olly wrote: | | Salome wrote: | does jackman sing?????
he won the tony for Boy From Oz two years ago. he won the Olivier award fro Oklahoma in london in 1999. he is one of te astages finest musical theatre stars. |
Yes... Well... I obviously didn't know |
And you're pretty much alone there |
Yep lol. What has he been in? Can you give me a list of the musicals he's been in? I want to get a recording of him. Thanks
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MrsJamieWellerstein
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PM-ing to avoid a total hijack.
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Salome
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Oklahoma is your best bet..its a brilliant cast recording.....jackman and josepina gabrielle are the Curley and Lurie to judge all others by. and the supporting cast is outstanding as well.
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ShadowInTheWings
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| Salome wrote: | | ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | Personally, I would probably be less likely to cast a smoker (at least in a singing role). I've heard what smoking has done to my mothers speaking voice, and it's not pretty. I wouldn't take a chance on someone's voice crapping out on them halfway through a run because they smoke. |
oh..so you wouldnt cast
John Cullum
Bebe Neuwirth
Melissa Errico
Matt Broderick
Michael Ball
Ruthie Henshall
Sheri Renee Scott
Tom Hewitt
Hugh Jackman
Josefina Gabrielle
Julie Andrews
Meg Bussert
Elaine Stritch
John McMartin
Kim Crosby
or any of the other great broadway stars who smoke? |
No where in my post did I say I wouldn't cast them, I simply said I would be less likely to cast them. And I don't care who you are, if you're going to, in anyway, possibly jeopardize my production because of a nasty habit, I would have to seriously consider it first.
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Salome
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fuuuck off and go to hell you assshole.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Salome wrote: | | fuuuck off and go to hell you assshole. |
WOW!!
I am in shock!!
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alouette
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I smoke once in a while, though I try to stay away from it because I know it's bad for my voice.
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belleboi80
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YOU GO SALOME!!!
| Quote: | | No where in my post did I say I wouldn't cast them, I simply said I would be less likely to cast them. And I don't care who you are, if you're going to, in anyway, possibly jeopardize my production because of a nasty habit, I would have to seriously consider it first. |
So if you ever direct woulds you ask everyoen who auditions if they smoke
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The REAL Ciaron
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Stop defending smoking. Salome has every right to smoke if she wants but it is bad for her and will eventually kill her (if a bar fight gone bad doesn't first)
There is nothing good about smoking. It's a horrible habit.
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belleboi80
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| Quote: | | Stop defending smoking |
I do not defend smoking itself ever. I hope non-smokers never start and i never ever try to get anyone to have just one hit. I wish i had never started. i only defend my right to smoke, but i always get why nonsmokers defend their right to not be around it. however, I just find it so amusing (sarcasm) when people in the theater work make comments about people they will or will not work with for petty reasons. I understand having morals, and sticking to your guns, but some of the comments made have been stupid. If any of these people (i would be hesitant to cast a smoker) worked in the real world, they would be screwed
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The REAL Ciaron
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| belleboi80 wrote: | | I wish i had never started. i only defend my right to smoke |
You smoke? Why? Why don't you quit?
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Caitlin (Pipes)
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Okay, so we know smoking isn't the best habit, and it's definitely not doing anyone good per se, but it's just that - a bad habit.
Bad habits are human, and they do not make people good or bad, nor does it give anyone the right to say that they are lesser for it.
And quitting isn't always that easy either. My father is a smoker, and he started smoking during his college years. He's made several attempts to quit, and he knows it's not the greatest thing for him. However, he can't. Nicotine has different affects on everyone, and it can become more addictive to certain individuals than others. On the other hand, my boyfriend used to be a smoker, but he could just give it up. It all depends on the person.
Secondly, for all of this deal on how it affects everyone's singing. Once again, nicotine affects everyone differently. There are some singers who can smoke a pack a day and still have a great sound. There are others who smoke two or three cigarettes, and it screws their voices up royally. I played a role where I was required to smoke Kickums, and the smoke from the Kickums alone screwed my voice up for two weeks after the run. Obviously, Ruthie Henshall and Melissa Errico have smoked a good deal, and they're still singing well. It's entirely dependent on the person.
Asking someone if they smoke at an audition would be totally out of line. They might ask if you'd be willing to smoke for a role onstage, but they're looking to possibly hire you as a performer. It's a job. If you're interviewing for a position in a corporation, I highly doubt they ask if you smoke.
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The REAL Ciaron
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It is a drug addiction and needs to be handled. It is the same as most other drug habits.
DRUGGIES!!
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LoneWanderer
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I think cigerettes are a serious issue, as they just cause an addiction and really harm your health. I think one should be allowed to smoke, but a good freind should discourage such a habbit. They should not however let the habbit interfere with the friendship. Don't nag about it, but try to make sure they realize you don't support it and would be willing to help them quit however possible.
~The Lone Wanderer
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LoneWanderer
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Nvm...wrong thread.
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MaryMag
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| Salome wrote: | | fuuuck off and go to hell you assshole. |
Holy cow, Salome! Does someone need a hug?
Smoking is not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be. Smoking three packs a day is. Smoking three cigs a day is not. EVERYTHING IN MODERATION
And Quique - that Sumatra dark is like cocaine! Not even kidding! I shake like crazy and get inspired to clean my house but am so doped up that I make a bigger mess of it. My vegan, all natural organic type friend calls coffee 'legalized cocaine.' If she were here, she'd start a thread condemning coffee drinkers.
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Salome
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yes..i need a hug sweetie.
god forbid...cofffee and cigarettes..i need them both in the morning. lol
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MaryMag
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| Salome wrote: | yes..i need a hug sweetie.
god forbid...cofffee and cigarettes..i need them both in the morning. lol |
GINORMOUS eHUG
Better now?
I agree. I needs my caffeine and nicotine. It's how I stay thin.
...jk. That's what coke is for.
...jk again. That's what throwing up is for.
... jk again. I need to stop.
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ShadowInTheWings
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| Salome wrote: | | fuuuck off and go to hell you assshole. |
What the hell is your problem with me? I say nothing against you personally ever, and yet whenever I give my opinion on anything you attack me. You're wasting your own time posting stuff like this to me, it's not going to make me shut up or go away. Actually, I find it rather amusing.
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Salome
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It sounds personal when you say that you wouldnt cast me because I smoke. Of course that would be your loss if you didnt cast a versatile actress/singer for something inane and stupid as a habit.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Salome wrote: | | It sounds personal when you say that you wouldnt cast me because I smoke. Of course that would be your loss if you didnt cast a versatile actress/singer for something inane and stupid as a habit. |
Take it easy smokey!!
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ShadowInTheWings
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| Salome wrote: | | It sounds personal when you say that you wouldnt cast me because I smoke. Of course that would be your loss if you didnt cast a versatile actress/singer for something inane and stupid as a habit. |
Once again, the words I used are "less likely" not "wouldn't cast." There is a difference between the two, however slight.
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Kad
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But it shouldn't even matter, and it would be really tacky of you to even ask.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Kad wrote: | | But it shouldn't even matter, and it would be really tacky of you to even ask. |
It is not tacky. Many producers ask the auditioning dancers if they smoke. Madonna does. =)
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ShadowInTheWings
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Whether or not it matter is up for debate, I believe it would matter. Smoking does a lot of damage to your lungs, this much is fact. If I cast someone to sing a lead role, and because of smoking their voice gives out on them halfway through the run, then what am I supposed to do? I'm not saying all people should only cast non-smokers. I'm saying this is what I would do, it's a matter of personal opinion.
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belleboi80
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| Quote: | | Many producers ask the auditioning dancers if they smoke. Madonna does. =) |
who? and madonna can because she is Madonna
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Astonishing At Last
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| Salome wrote: | | It sounds personal when you say that you wouldnt cast me because I smoke. Of course that would be your loss if you didnt cast a versatile actress/singer for something inane and stupid as a habit. |
Deal with the consequences of you life, tar breath
Of course my money is that they wouldn't cast you because you're not very talented.
Funny how you've never posted a clip of yourself but get pissy when other people say that other members are talented
you blow
bitch
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Kad
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Good job blowing any cover you might have had.
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Salome
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| Astonishing At Last wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | It sounds personal when you say that you wouldnt cast me because I smoke. Of course that would be your loss if you didnt cast a versatile actress/singer for something inane and stupid as a habit. |
Deal with the consequences of you life, tar breath
Of course my money is that they wouldn't cast you because you're not very talented.
Funny how you've never posted a clip of yourself but get pissy when other people say that other members are talented
you blow
bitch |
assshole. anyone is welcome to ask me for a video tape.
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LoneWanderer
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| Astonishing At Last wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | It sounds personal when you say that you wouldnt cast me because I smoke. Of course that would be your loss if you didnt cast a versatile actress/singer for something inane and stupid as a habit. |
Deal with the consequences of you life, tar breath
Of course my money is that they wouldn't cast you because you're not very talented.
Funny how you've never posted a clip of yourself but get pissy when other people say that other members are talented
you blow
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Yo...troll lady...shup. I thought maybe oyu were just a bit slow from your hated shows thing...but this makes it clear you're just trying to get people angry. Salome blatantly has talent, have you seen all the parts she's played?
~The Lone Wanderer
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Astonishing At Last
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Who cares what parts she's played. If the company sucks it doesn't mean anything.
Moron 
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Salome
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and I dont work with shittty companies.
go home evan you are still an ass.
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The REAL Ciaron
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STOP SMOKING!!!!
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Astonishing At Last
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| Salome wrote: | and I dont work with shittty companies.
go home evan you are still an ass. |
Prove it.
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Quique
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Wow, that's waaaay too harsh.
That's just plain discrimination!
Smoking can be handled another way. We seem to have been doing fine with smoking and non-smoking public areas. This is just silly.
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actor
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| Salome wrote: | and I dont work with shittty companies.
go home evan you are still an ass. |
Is that evan??
Evan G or the original?
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LesMisForever
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Hello
I H.A.T.E smoking with passion. I refuse to go to places where there is smoke, and when some people ask me if i mind if they smoke i reply rather undiplomatically "Yes, i do". Sometimes i am forced to go to pubs, but i don't stick for more than 15-20 minutes if people near me smoke. It just suffocate me.
Having said all that, i realise that some people do smoke even though they fully know how awful smoking is. To bar them from jobs would be extremly harsh. I would say discrimanation.
On the issue of singers. Well, i would rather have non-smokers rather than smokers. If the difference in talent is small i will choose non-smokers.
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dramaqueen220222
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Okay, on the bright side, I haven't smoked a cigarette since last summer.
However, I've been smoking...other things...much more than I usually do. I'm not entirely happy with myself for picking it back up, but whatever, I figure I already got my cigarette smoking under control, I can certainly keep this under control as well.
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Nudelkopf
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Smokey yucky.
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Theatrelife101
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I don't smoke, and never want to start. YAY ME!
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cabaretfreak
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I hate the smoke that comes from smoke. It smells really bad.
I don't to start smoking. I feel it will throw my health into wack. I don't need that.
I'm also shocked that smoking won't screw somepeople's vocal cords, but if I was an actor and I smoked for years and years I feel my voice wouldn't be as great as it could be.
I don't understand the whole stress issue. I have a stress/antitiy issue, yet somehow through all of what I have been through the past 4 years, I haven't had the urge to kill stress with drugs. If you are having a problem with stress, I like to do yoga. It really helps decrease the stress, even if it is only for a couple of minutes. Isn't it this temp relief the same if you smoke a cig? Yoga helps the body, not destroys it.
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bandcampgirl183
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I've never smoked anything. I never will. People in hs tried to convince me to take drags off their cigarette; I refused. They said they wanted to get me high. I told them that wasn't going to happen, either. Almost everyone at my hs smoked (cigs and weed, most of them), but I refused to try it. If a friend would say "God, I've got to quit," even if she said that every day, I'd ask how I could help, and suggest that maybe she cut back. But I never told anyone they sucked b/c they smoked. We had a "you do your thing, I'll do mine" agreement. And some of the kids who smoked the most, and did the hardest drugs, were actually the ones who told me how much they respected my avoidance of it all. If they can respect me, I can respect them.
If pot isn't addictive... is sex? Is chatting online? Is cutting yourself? Just because it doesn't have a chemical like nicotine doesn't mean that you can't get pretty well stuck on it.
I think at some point in your life (whether it happens when you're 8, and school says smoking's bad, but your parents do it... or when you're 15, and you realize your boyfriend steals... or you're 30, and realize the person you want to marry is the head of an evil, corrupt company) where you realize that there are people you love dearly (or even just like), but you strongly disagree with some decisions they've made. You have to weigh: which is more important to you, this person and your relationship, or your opposition to their choices/habbits/morals. And can "good" people make "bad" choices, and still be "good" people.
~rachel~
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Kragey
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| bandcampgirl183 wrote: |
If pot isn't addictive... is sex? Is chatting online? Is cutting yourself? Just because it doesn't have a chemical like nicotine doesn't mean that you can't get pretty well stuck on it.
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Enjoying something enough to do it often doesn't show an addiction. For all that I enjoy marijuana, I only smoke in once in a while; a lot of times, my friends will invite me to smoke with them, but I don't feel like it, so they just smoke it in front of me. I don't get twitchy or anything of the like.
And for that matter, I think sex is a little different. Marijuana has to be introduced to you; you don't just automatically want it. Sex is a biological factor, so it isn't much of a comparison.
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Aimee
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I don't smoke, never have, but my fiance does and I don't object to people smoking around me. That's very much a personal choice and if a room was very smokey I'd just leave.
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MascaraSnake
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Sorry if I'm digging up this thread...But I smoke mostly my pipe and the very occasional cigar...I've never liked the idea of inhaling smoke, period (not to mention that cigs other than cloves always tasted bad to me). I'm not a terribly heavy smoker...maybe 3-6 pipes a day.
I guess it's all for the best since it's hard to find restaurants that'll allow pipes...so that cuts back on the health risks for me.
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Yasmin
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| LoneWanderer wrote: |
It's also not addictive...and you cannot overdose on it. |
Quite frankly just because you are not addicted to weed, pot, whatever you want to call it, does not mean that other people don't get addicted. I talk from being a child of a mother who could not go a day without it and would make her children go without food, basic toiletries etc just to make sure she had enough money to buy her drugs.
Basically what I am trying to say is don't be so naive. ALL drugs can become addictive and that includes prescribed drugs.
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Salome
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there is a difference between "addictive" and people becoming "obsessed" with something. being obsessed with something has to do with the individual. being addictive is a biological reaction.
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rock_musicals
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I smoked:
hashish
cocaine
marijuana
opium
LSD, DMT, A&P, IRT, APC, cigarettes, shoe polish, cough syrup, peyote, equinol, dexamil, composine, chemadrine, thorazine, trighlophon, benzadrine, methedrine!
LOL not really. I don't see why anyone would ever want to smoke. It smells bad and is disgusting
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Jekkienumber24601
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Re: Smokers:be honest | Salome wrote: | | Besides Myself, MaryMag, and Mel aka Maureen..who else smokes? |
I have to say (even though you know how much I respect and admire you 
That doing Musical Theatre and smoking hand in hand is not that wise.
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olly
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Re: Smokers:be honest | Jekkienumber24601 wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | Besides Myself, MaryMag, and Mel aka Maureen..who else smokes? |
I have to say (even though you know how much I respect and admire you
That doing Musical Theatre and smoking hand in hand is not that wise. |
I completely agree. I don't smoke and I hate it. However, a fair argument is: look at Michael Ball. One of the most successful West End actors and one of the heaviest smokers!
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Salome
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not only michael ball but
ruthie henshall
john cullum
melissa errico
alice ripley
matthew broderick
luciano pavorotti
kerry butler
dapne rubin vega
julie andrews
patti lupone
etc etc
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olly
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| Salome wrote: | not only michael ball but
ruthie henshall
john cullum
melissa errico
alice ripley
matthew broderick
luciano pavorotti
kerry butler
dapne rubin vega
julie andrews
patti lupone
etc etc |
Wow! I kind of knew about Ruthie Henshall, but Julie Andrews and Patti Lupone! It's hard to see that Mary Poppins break for a ciggarette after the director yells: "Cut!". She seems so innocent. I suppose that is why she ended up with throat cancer though.
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Broadwaybelter
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smoking can ruin a singer's career. One of my closest friends was a smoker, she used to a beautiful voice but it started to deteriate and now her voice is so raspy when she sings. She can't get jobs anymore and works as a waitress.
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Salome
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[quote="olly"] | Salome wrote: | not only michael ball but
ruthie henshall
john cullum
melissa errico
alice ripley
matthew broderick
luciano pavorotti
kerry butler
dapne rubin vega
julie andrews
patti lupone
etc etc |
Wow! I kind of knew about Ruthie Henshall, but Julie Andrews and Patti Lupone! It's hard to see that Mary Poppins break for a ciggarette after the director yells: "Cut!". She seems so innocent. I suppose that is why she ended up with throat cancer though.
she nevwer had throat cancer. and she quit after her operation.
luone is a regular chain smoker.
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