Salome
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Smokers:be honestBesides Myself, MaryMag, and Mel aka Maureen..who else smokes?
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broadwaychild
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im really against smoking. my dad got a heart attack from it. it was terrible. DONT SMOKE!!!!!!!!
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Salome
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that wasnt the question.
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The REAL Ciaron
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Smokers are trashy
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Salome
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I'm not trashy and you know it boy. 
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dramaqueen220222
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I used to, but I quit three months ago. So far I'm doing pretty well.
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Pasty
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I smoked cloves for like two weeks. Don't smoke anything now, except a little shi-sha every now and again.
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actor
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My grandad used to smoke 60 cigarettes a day! But after the birth of his first grandchild, he gave up. He hasn't smoked one cigarette in about 20 years.
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Tovers
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My friend's grandmother used to be a chain smoker. She developed Alzheimers. After coming out of the hospital for an appointment one day she asked her daughter for a cigarette. Her family told her that she didn't smoke anymore, and that she had quit years ago. She believed them and hasn't smoked since.
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Salome
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cruel to used her condition against her.
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Kragey
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I bogart cigarettes from time to time and smoke a little bit of herb every once in a while.
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TheOneAndOnly
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I've been trying to quit, but no ones perfect.
Sadly, I've been turning to the Mary Jane to keep me away from ciggs, must stop that one too now. *sigh*
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La Boheme
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I'm quitting. I went 3 months, but I gained far more weight than I was prepared to deal with. So I started again, and am cutting down slowly, instead of going cold turkey.
We'll see how it goes.
A cigarette is the perfect type of a perfect pleasure. It is exquisite, and it leaves one unsatisfied. What more can one want?
Oscar Wilde is a smart man.
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dramaqueen220222
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | I've been trying to quit, but no ones perfect.
Sadly, I've been turning to the Mary Jane to keep me away from ciggs, must stop that one too now. *sigh* |
You're like one of my best friends. She used to be a complete chain smoker, and she's trying to quit. So now she doesn't smoke cigarettes. But she does get high every day. Yeah, cause that makes total sense.
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Quique
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I tried smoking God knows how many times. I just never could do it correctly. I would choke to death.
I'm glad it didn't work for me, because then I'd have to deal with quitting. Quitting alcohol was bad enough and I hear alcohol with a cigarette is supposed to be an essential combination - a pleasureable and very addictive one. Is that true or a bunch of baloney? Hehe.
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Salome
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its true..a cigarette and a martini is a perfect combo.
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LoneWanderer
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I don't smoke cigerettes...never have and never will.
Weed on the other hand isnt addictive and not nearly as filled with crap (and you don't smoke nearly as often with that)...so I go for that. Not really often though, maybe once every two weeks...though everyonce in a while I'll do a few times a week as I have a lot of it.
~The Lone Wanderer
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Salome
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if you smoke..dont smoke cigarettes filled with additives. thats logic.
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Beagle On Stage
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I personally do not smoke because I think it's pretty gross. But I do know a few smokers and don't judge them.
However, I think that it's just beyond lame to smoke weed. And I think it's disgusting that so many people here casually admit to doing it.
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MaryMag
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I don't understand how people think it's gross. I think marijuana is gross cuz it seems to make one lazy and hungry. And that's icky to me.
Anyway, smoking is my alternative to drinking. If I'm going out and know I can't drink too much, I just smoke smoke smoke. But I've been doing it less lately cuz I have wimpy, crummy vocal chords and they take a beating when I smoke. I pay too much for voice lessons to impede my progress, too.
So i'm cutting down. Sorry Salome. Your fellow smoker is tryin got cut back.
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La Boheme
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | However, I think that it's just beyond lame to smoke weed. And I think it's disgusting that so many people here casually admit to doing it. |
Why?
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La Boheme
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| Salome wrote: | | if you smoke..dont smoke cigarettes filled with additives. thats logic. |
What brand do you smoke?
Or are you a rollies girl?
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Beagle On Stage
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Why not? We all know it's bad for you. I view people who smoke it as losers. Hugs not drugs.
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B3TA07
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I thought you didn't judge smokers?
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olly
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It's simply totally against my principal. I was brought up as totally anti-smoking and I have never digressed from that view. I have friends that smoke and I don't seriously give them a hard time, though we do occasionally give them some good banter about it: How it will eventually lead to an earlier death.
It's simple facts: Smoking kills, makes cancer, and ruins lives?
Why do people still do it?
I just don't understand. OK, it's addictive. But there are clinics where you can go to to try and quit (If you want to).
I'm not saying any of you smokers are like this, but I know a guy who smokes and I asked him why. He came out with: "Well, smokings cool". I just couldn't believe it! We had a good argument though: 7 on 5.
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La Boheme
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Why not? We all know it's bad for you. I view people who smoke it as losers. Hugs not drugs. |
How is that different from smoking tobacco?
Or drinking alcohol for that matter?
Fast food is bad for you. As are cookies. Are people who choose to eat bad foods losers as well?
People do things that are bad for them. That cannot be avoided. No one makes perfect choices...its about balancing the bad choices with good ones.
To categorically dismiss a huge and varied group of people based on one choice they have in common is ridiculous.
And exactly what I would expect of you.
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olly
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| La Boheme wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Why not? We all know it's bad for you. I view people who smoke it as losers. Hugs not drugs. |
How is that different from smoking tobacco?
Or drinking alcohol for that matter?
Fast food is bad for you. As are cookies. Are people who choose to eat bad foods losers as well?
People do things that are bad for them. That cannot be avoided. No one makes perfect choices...its about balancing the bad choices with good ones.
To categorically dismiss a huge and varied group of people based on one choice they have in common is ridiculous.
And exactly what I would expect of you. |
I think the fact that it's illegal is a factor
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Pasty
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Depends on where you are.
Denver anyone?
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B3TA07
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 Pro-Denver here.
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La Boheme
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| olly wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Why not? We all know it's bad for you. I view people who smoke it as losers. Hugs not drugs. |
How is that different from smoking tobacco?
Or drinking alcohol for that matter?
Fast food is bad for you. As are cookies. Are people who choose to eat bad foods losers as well?
People do things that are bad for them. That cannot be avoided. No one makes perfect choices...its about balancing the bad choices with good ones.
To categorically dismiss a huge and varied group of people based on one choice they have in common is ridiculous.
And exactly what I would expect of you. |
I think the fact that it's illegal is a factor |
The fact its illegal has nothing to do with how bad it is for you.
My point was that lots of things which are commonly acceptable are bad for you as well.
Also, it is not illegal everywhere.
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what_the_heck013
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| Tovers wrote: | | My friend's grandmother used to be a chain smoker. She developed Alzheimers. After coming out of the hospital for an appointment one day she asked her daughter for a cigarette. Her family told her that she didn't smoke anymore, and that she had quit years ago. She believed them and hasn't smoked since. |
HAHA. That is hilarious.
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MrsJamieWellerstein
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| what_the_heck013 wrote: | | Tovers wrote: | | My friend's grandmother used to be a chain smoker. She developed Alzheimers. After coming out of the hospital for an appointment one day she asked her daughter for a cigarette. Her family told her that she didn't smoke anymore, and that she had quit years ago. She believed them and hasn't smoked since. |
HAHA. That is hilarious. |
It is kinda funny, but I agree with Salome on this one. I think it was just plain nasty to use her condition to force her to quit smoking. It took away her free will and her choice to have a cigarette, and that is NOT good.
Sure, stopping smoking might add about a year and a half on to her life. But she's probably up there in years anyway and has this disease that will rob her of memories and the things she may have enjoyed. Taking away her choices before the disease could is terrible.
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TheOneAndOnly
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I don't understand people who force other people to quit smoking. It's like, if you have to force someone to quit, you obviously have some control issues. Especially people who rip smokes out of others hand and step on them, I hate those kinds of people.
But, I'm not knocking people who help other people quit. I want to quit smoking, so I've asked friends to help me. If someone asks, go ahead and help them, if they didn't ask, leave them the fuuck alone!
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wicked_diva
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| MrsJamieWellerstein wrote: | | what_the_heck013 wrote: | | Tovers wrote: | | My friend's grandmother used to be a chain smoker. She developed Alzheimers. After coming out of the hospital for an appointment one day she asked her daughter for a cigarette. Her family told her that she didn't smoke anymore, and that she had quit years ago. She believed them and hasn't smoked since. |
HAHA. That is hilarious. |
It is kinda funny, but I agree with Salome on this one. I think it was just plain nasty to use her condition to force her to quit smoking. It took away her free will and her choice to have a cigarette, and that is NOT good.
Sure, stopping smoking might add about a year and a half on to her life. But she's probably up there in years anyway and has this disease that will rob her of memories and the things she may have enjoyed. Taking away her choices before the disease could is terrible. |
I think it's a great way to get someone to stop smoking. It's horrible she has alzheimers, but at least this might make her last a little longer in the lung department...
Oh, and smokers are disgusting people with stinky clothes and breath, and yellow teeth, and smoking should be completely outlawed... And drugs are bad, too. I have never and will never smoke, nor do drugs, and if I ever meet people who smoke, I tell them to stop.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| wicked_diva wrote: |
Oh, and smokers are disgusting people with stinky clothes and breath, and yellow teeth, and smoking should be completely outlawed... And drugs are bad, too. I have never and will never smoke, nor do drugs, and if I ever meet people who smoke, I tell them to stop. |
You need to chill out.
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wicked_diva
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | wicked_diva wrote: |
Oh, and smokers are disgusting people with stinky clothes and breath, and yellow teeth, and smoking should be completely outlawed... And drugs are bad, too. I have never and will never smoke, nor do drugs, and if I ever meet people who smoke, I tell them to stop. |
You need to chill out. |
I'm perfectly sane, I promise. Smokers are just gross. I made up a song about smoking once, in like 8th grade, and I would sing it to whomever I saw smoking... I can't remember all the words now, but it was to the tune of Clementine.
Oh, and I was also in an anti-smoking musical that toured to elementary and middle schools. One of the best things I've ever done for the community. And the kids loved us.
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TheOneAndOnly
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I really don't understand how you justify forcing your opnions on people, sorry.
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wicked_diva
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | I really don't understand how you justify forcing your opnions on people, sorry. |
I'm assuming you mean random people in real life, not on here? It's because I feel that maybe if enough people tell them how bad it is for them, they will quit. I'm trying to help them, not going out of my way to annoy them. Smoking is bad, and it will kill them. I just want to make sure they know...
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TheOneAndOnly
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| wicked_diva wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | I really don't understand how you justify forcing your opnions on people, sorry. |
I'm assuming you mean random people in real life, not on here? It's because I feel that maybe if enough people tell them how bad it is for them, they will quit. I'm trying to help them, not going out of my way to annoy them. Smoking is bad, and it will kill them. I just want to make sure they know... |
They know, trust me. Sadly, there are a lot of people like you out there. Please note, that was not a dig at you, that was just saying that there are a lot of people out there that feel they need to save all the smokers.
I started smoking when I was in 5th grade. My friends didn't know untill my freshmen year and tried all year to force me to quit, I never did.
I quit at the beginning of this year and I'm trying really hard to stay clean. Why? Because I want to. No one is going to quit because you sing anti-smoking songs to them, or tell them it will kill them, they know that. People are going to quit because and when they want to. The end.
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wicked_diva
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: |
They know, trust me. Sadly, there are a lot of people like you out there. Please note, that was not a dig at you, that was just saying that there are a lot of people out there that feel they need to save all the smokers.
I started smoking when I was in 5th grade. My friends didn't know untill my freshmen year and tried all year to force me to quit, I never did.
I quit at the beginning of this year and I'm trying really hard to stay clean. Why? Because I want to. No one is going to quit because you sing anti-smoking songs to them, or tell them it will kill them, they know that. People are going to quit because and when they want to. The end. |
Well, I'm proud of you for quitting, keep up the good work! But wow, 5th grade? What made you want to start smoking at such a young age?
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TheOneAndOnly
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| wicked_diva wrote: |
Well, I'm proud of you for quitting, keep up the good work! But wow, 5th grade? What made you want to start smoking at such a young age? |
I was a very depressed child.
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ShadowInTheWings
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I think smoking is wrong. Any friends who smoke hear that from me. As do random stangers who force me to breathe their second-hand poison.
I don't believe ther eis anything wrong with people giving their opinions, or encouraging people to quit disgusting habits. I've had habits before that were bad for me. I knew that, but I didn't stop. When my friends found out, they forced me to stop, and I am ever grateful to them.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | When my friends found out, they forced me to stop, and I am ever grateful to them. |
Why are you greatful? Later in life, you could start again, and what happens when they are not there to stop you? You never learn anything unless you make the choice to do it yourself.
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LaurelDP
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I tried my first cigarette the summer before 5th grade, but I never really got into it.
My parents have smoked all my life, cigarettes, cigars, and pot. So, as a rebellious youth, my only way to rebel was to not smoke.
I don't really have a problem with smokers, though. They're aware of how bad it is for them, so I don't wan't to push a Holier than Thou attitude on them.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| LaurelDP wrote: | | They're aware of how bad it is for them, so I don't wan't to push a Holier than Thou attitude on them. |
Hey Laurel? Love ya.
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dramaqueen220222
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| LaurelDP wrote: | I tried my first cigarette the summer before 5th grade, but I never really got into it.
My parents have smoked all my life, cigarettes, cigars, and pot. So, as a rebellious youth, my only way to rebel was to not smoke.
I don't really have a problem with smokers, though. They're aware of how bad it is for them, so I don't wan't to push a Holier than Thou attitude on them. |
You seemed to be quite the little rebel, Laurel. I don't think I've ever met anyone who did so much crazy stuff before 8th grade. My craziness didn't even start until highschool.
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LaurelDP
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| dramaqueen220222 wrote: | | LaurelDP wrote: | I tried my first cigarette the summer before 5th grade, but I never really got into it.
My parents have smoked all my life, cigarettes, cigars, and pot. So, as a rebellious youth, my only way to rebel was to not smoke.
I don't really have a problem with smokers, though. They're aware of how bad it is for them, so I don't wan't to push a Holier than Thou attitude on them. |
You seemed to be quite the little rebel, Laurel. I don't think I've ever met anyone who did so much crazy stuff before 8th grade. My craziness didn't even start until highschool. |
All of my teenage angst was pre-highschool.
Now I feel really out of place and adult, because I've already learned from my mistakes. All of my drama and angst and depression happened pre-highschool.
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ShadowInTheWings
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | When my friends found out, they forced me to stop, and I am ever grateful to them. |
Why are you greatful? Later in life, you could start again, and what happens when they are not there to stop you? You never learn anything unless you make the choice to do it yourself. |
I don't think I'm likely to start that particular habit again. And you're right, it ultimately has to come from me. And it was me who made the choice. My friends showed me how wrong I was, and I was able to see they are right. I only hope they're there to stop me from doing whatever stupid thing I do next.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | When my friends found out, they forced me to stop, and I am ever grateful to them. |
Why are you greatful? Later in life, you could start again, and what happens when they are not there to stop you? You never learn anything unless you make the choice to do it yourself. |
I don't think I'm likely to start that particular habit again. And you're right, it ultimately has to come from me. And it was me who made the choice. My friends showed me how wrong I was, and I was able to see they are right. I only hope they're there to stop me from doing whatever stupid thing I do next. |
You prolly wont tell me, but I have to ask, what was the habit?
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ShadowInTheWings
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Let's just say I had a certain fondness for sharp things and leave it at that.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| ShadowInTheWings wrote: | | Let's just say I had a certain fondness for sharp things and leave it at that. |
Oh man, I had that one too! I'll give you, in that case, stopping is kind of a really good thing to do, and anyway to get you to stop is good. But I think smoking is different.
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Amber
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I don't try to stop people who are smoking, because it's their choice. It's probably not going to be a habit that I start any time soon, although for some reason I love the smell of a single cigarette. More than one smoker around me makes me gag, though. I haven't smoked, though. Not as of yet. I'm scared to because I am the mild asthmatic who denies that there's anything the matter with her and so never takes her Advair and never carries her little inhaler.
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LoneWanderer
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | We all know it's bad for you. I view people who smoke it as losers. Hugs not drugs. |
Weed is bad for you?
Well compared to what? Compared to a cigerrette its actually not bad at all. The smoke is relativly clean, especially if you use a bong, and because it isnt commercialized it doesn't have nearly as much crap as cigerettes (no fiberglass for me thank you). It doesn't hurt your brain NEARLY as much as anti-drugs would like you to think. Check out some actual scientific magazines on the issue, you'll find you might just be the victim of propoganda. So...its not really bad for your brain (we're talking the same level as hitting your head with a soccer ball a few times), and though not awesome for your lungs, about as bad as standing near a bonfire for a bit.
It's also not addictive...and you cannot overdose on it. Those are probably the two biggest things for me. As much as some people like to claim you can, it is actually physically impossible to overdose on weed...and there is no recorded incident of it happening. Not only is weed not nearly bad enough for you for that to happen...but were you to have enough weed to do that (an obscene amount), you'd pass out long before it could start to kill you.
So...I'm not really sure what you mean by bad for you. It's fairly relaxing and a not to bad way to spend an afternoon you have free. I'm not really sure what you mean by "everyone knows its bad for you" and it really bothers me that some people here are saying its disgusting. I personally think cigerettes are horrible, as are all other drugs (I don't drink at all), but weed isn't addictive or as harmful.
As far as the telling smokers off thing its rediculous. Sometimes I jokingly say it to people I know smoke who are coughing (even if its just cause they have a cold), just cause its a nice snarky comment to make. One funny thing was a friend of mine was smoking and this kid walks by and is like "OMG...smoking kills you really shouldnt do that it can cause cancer" and she goes "WOA...I HAD NO IDEA...thank's for telling me now I will never smoke again" and stamps out the cigerette (it was pretty much done anyway otherwise she probably wouldnt've). She then looked at the kid who had spoken to her and said "do you really think that will ever actually happen?". It's really true. The people know that its not great for them, and most of them admit they want to quit, its just hard. Constantly nagging them is just bitchy. If anything, if the person is a close friend, try to help them quit with support, not by being a bitch. I helped Mel quit by making a deal with her to give her cast recordings depending on how long she didnt smoke. It really worked cause she REALLY wanted the cast recordings, and whenever she broke down I'd try to help her get through it. Telling strangers in the streets is stupid, and nagging at your friends is just bitchy, actually HELPING your friend is what you should do.
~The Lone Wanderer
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Desperado
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I smoke weed sometimes...
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TheOneAndOnly
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| LoneWanderer wrote: | As far as the telling smokers off thing its rediculous. Sometimes I jokingly say it to people I know smoke who are coughing (even if its just cause they have a cold), just cause its a nice snarky comment to make. One funny thing was a friend of mine was smoking and this kid walks by and is like "OMG...smoking kills you really shouldnt do that it can cause cancer" and she goes "WOA...I HAD NO IDEA...thank's for telling me now I will never smoke again" and stamps out the cigerette (it was pretty much done anyway otherwise she probably wouldnt've). She then looked at the kid who had spoken to her and said "do you really think that will ever actually happen?". It's really true. The people know that its not great for them, and most of them admit they want to quit, its just hard. Constantly nagging them is just bitchy. If anything, if the person is a close friend, try to help them quit with support, not by being a bitch. I helped Mel quit by making a deal with her to give her cast recordings depending on how long she didnt smoke. It really worked cause she REALLY wanted the cast recordings, and whenever she broke down I'd try to help her get through it. Telling strangers in the streets is stupid, and nagging at your friends is just bitchy, actually HELPING your friend is what you should do.
~The Lone Wanderer |
See, that's what I said, and now I'm also saying that I love him with all my heart. 
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MaryMag
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I'd rather be a smoker than a self-righteous preacher.
Let me add, everything in moderation. Smoking won't kill you. Smoking excessively will kill you. I'm fairly confident that my 1 per day habit is not damaging my health too terribly.
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dramaqueen220222
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| Desperado wrote: | | I smoke weed sometimes... |
So do I. I really only do it socially. I'm not the type to go out and buy it so I can smoke on my own. But if my friends are doing it, and I feel like joining them, then I will.
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Broadway
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I smoke.
All the cool kids are doing it, damnit. 
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TheOneAndOnly
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| Mumsytype wrote: |
Apart from that, though, I hate the smell of cigarette smoke, and kissing a smoker is really disgusting. The taste of nicotine to someone who doesn't use it is revolting. |
I always thought it was funny how that is so different with different people. I've heard a lot of people say that, but I love the smell and I think kissing a smoker tastes good. I know I smoked, so it makes sense, but I've known people who hate that I smoked, but always said they loved how I smelled. And if they had any problem with how kissing a smoker tasted, they sure as hell didn't say anything.  .
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Stargazer
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I don't smoke, never really had the desire to do so. My parents smoked and when I was little I thought it was cool and wanted to do it but then somewhere along the way I grew to dislike it... I know a lot of smokers and one of my best friends in college smokes. I don't take it as far as my brother does.. he takes it to an extreme... lol. I don't harp for people to quit, I put up with it because they are my family and friends and I love them even if they do smoke.
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olly
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| La Boheme wrote: | | olly wrote: | | La Boheme wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Why not? We all know it's bad for you. I view people who smoke it as losers. Hugs not drugs. |
How is that different from smoking tobacco?
Or drinking alcohol for that matter?
Fast food is bad for you. As are cookies. Are people who choose to eat bad foods losers as well?
People do things that are bad for them. That cannot be avoided. No one makes perfect choices...its about balancing the bad choices with good ones.
To categorically dismiss a huge and varied group of people based on one choice they have in common is ridiculous.
And exactly what I would expect of you. |
I think the fact that it's illegal is a factor |
The fact its illegal has nothing to do with how bad it is for you.
My point was that lots of things which are commonly acceptable are bad for you as well.
Also, it is not illegal everywhere. |
That wasn't my point. My point was that many people (including myself) are put off doing it because it is illegal. Firstly its bad for you, second it is illegal... I don't know what effects it has on you: it may give you cancer (which makes another reason)... Anyone know?
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TheOneAndOnly
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| olly wrote: |
That wasn't my point. My point was that many people (including myself) are put off doing it because it is illegal. Firstly its bad for you, second it is illegal... I don't know what effects it has on you: it may give you cancer (which makes another reason)... Anyone know? |
*Sigh* I wish you people would read.
| LoneWanderer wrote: |
Weed is bad for you?
Well compared to what? Compared to a cigerrette its actually not bad at all. The smoke is relativly clean, especially if you use a bong, and because it isnt commercialized it doesn't have nearly as much crap as cigerettes (no fiberglass for me thank you). It doesn't hurt your brain NEARLY as much as anti-drugs would like you to think. Check out some actual scientific magazines on the issue, you'll find you might just be the victim of propoganda. So...its not really bad for your brain (we're talking the same level as hitting your head with a soccer ball a few times), and though not awesome for your lungs, about as bad as standing near a bonfire for a bit.
It's also not addictive...and you cannot overdose on it. Those are probably the two biggest things for me. As much as some people like to claim you can, it is actually physically impossible to overdose on weed...and there is no recorded incident of it happening. Not only is weed not nearly bad enough for you for that to happen...but were you to have enough weed to do that (an obscene amount), you'd pass out long before it could start to kill you.
So...I'm not really sure what you mean by bad for you. It's fairly relaxing and a not to bad way to spend an afternoon you have free. I'm not really sure what you mean by "everyone knows its bad for you" and it really bothers me that some people here are saying its disgusting. I personally think cigerettes are horrible, as are all other drugs (I don't drink at all), but weed isn't addictive or as harmful.
As far as the telling smokers off thing its rediculous. Sometimes I jokingly say it to people I know smoke who are coughing (even if its just cause they have a cold), just cause its a nice snarky comment to make. One funny thing was a friend of mine was smoking and this kid walks by and is like "OMG...smoking kills you really shouldnt do that it can cause cancer" and she goes "WOA...I HAD NO IDEA...thank's for telling me now I will never smoke again" and stamps out the cigerette (it was pretty much done anyway otherwise she probably wouldnt've). She then looked at the kid who had spoken to her and said "do you really think that will ever actually happen?". It's really true. The people know that its not great for them, and most of them admit they want to quit, its just hard. Constantly nagging them is just bitchy. If anything, if the person is a close friend, try to help them quit with support, not by being a bitch. I helped Mel quit by making a deal with her to give her cast recordings depending on how long she didnt smoke. It really worked cause she REALLY wanted the cast recordings, and whenever she broke down I'd try to help her get through it. Telling strangers in the streets is stupid, and nagging at your friends is just bitchy, actually HELPING your friend is what you should do.
~The Lone Wanderer |
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olly
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I wasn't saying that it was, was merely pointing out a deliberation.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| olly wrote: | | I wasn't saying that it was, was merely pointing out a deliberation. |
| olly wrote: | | Firstly its bad for you |
How the fuuck is that not saying it's bad for you?
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lineyjoe
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I smoke occasionally, when I'm at a party or something. I don't buy cigarettes though (even though I'm 18 ) and have never been addicted. I know how to smoke properly, but I still get a nicotine buzz every time because I always go a really long time without it. As for marijuana...what else are kids in the suburbs supposed to do? They feed you all this stuff about how horrible it is, but the only reason it's illegal is for political purposes, not health reasons. Not that I think driving high is acceptable. It's not. But if you're just chilling in someone's basement with nowhere to go, why not?
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dramaqueen220222
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| lineyjoe wrote: | | But if you're just chilling in someone's basement with nowhere to go, why not? |
Story of my life. I live in a small suburb of NYC and I always end up in the Caines' basement where everyone's either slightly tipsy or stoned. Good times.
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singinginlarain
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| dramaqueen220222 wrote: | | lineyjoe wrote: | | But if you're just chilling in someone's basement with nowhere to go, why not? |
Story of my life. I live in a small suburb of NYC and I always end up in the Caines' basement where everyone's either slightly tipsy or stoned. Good times. |
Or both! I live in a well to do suburb of chicago. Everyone here has everything they could ever need or want, now the only thing we have to spend money on is mary jane and booze.
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olly
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | olly wrote: | | I wasn't saying that it was, was merely pointing out a deliberation. |
| olly wrote: | | Firstly its bad for you |
How the fuuck is that not saying it's bad for you? |
Because I was talking about smoking smoking smoking. Why don't you read back?
As I wrote:
| olly wrote: | | That wasn't my point. My point was that many people (including myself) are put off doing it because it is illegal. Firstly its bad for you, second it is illegal... I don't know what effects it has on you: it may give you cancer (which makes another reason)... Anyone know? |
I never said dope was bad for you - I said I didn't know. Whereas, I did point out that ciggarettes are bad for you.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| olly wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | olly wrote: | | I wasn't saying that it was, was merely pointing out a deliberation. |
| olly wrote: | | Firstly its bad for you |
How the fuuck is that not saying it's bad for you? |
Because I was talking about smoking smoking smoking. Why don't you read back?
As I wrote:
| olly wrote: | | That wasn't my point. My point was that many people (including myself) are put off doing it because it is illegal. Firstly its bad for you, second it is illegal... I don't know what effects it has on you: it may give you cancer (which makes another reason)... Anyone know? |
I never said dope was bad for you - I said I didn't know. Whereas, I did point out that ciggarettes are bad for you. |
I apologize, I was wrong.
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Nudelkopf
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Every cigarette takes 5 minutes off your life.
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LaurelDP
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| Nudelkopf wrote: | | Every cigarette takes 5 minutes off your life. |
As if people want to love long, rich, fufilling lives these days anyway.
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belleboi80
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i do
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Nudelkopf
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As do I.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| LaurelDP wrote: | | Nudelkopf wrote: | | Every cigarette takes 5 minutes off your life. |
As if people want to love long, rich, fufilling lives these days anyway.
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No one does that anymore.
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Nudelkopf
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | LaurelDP wrote: | | Nudelkopf wrote: | | Every cigarette takes 5 minutes off your life. |
As if people want to love long, rich, fufilling lives these days anyway.
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No one does that anymore. |
So what are we doing now?
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TheOneAndOnly
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| Nudelkopf wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | LaurelDP wrote: | | Nudelkopf wrote: | | Every cigarette takes 5 minutes off your life. |
As if people want to love long, rich, fufilling lives these days anyway.
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No one does that anymore. |
So what are we doing now? |
Living half-lives, never reaching full potential.
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Nudelkopf
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | Nudelkopf wrote: | | So what are we doing now? |
Living half-lives, never reaching full potential. |
Well that's just stupid.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| Nudelkopf wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: |
Living half-lives, never reaching full potential. |
Well that's just stupid. |
That it is, sad, isn't it?
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Nudelkopf
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | Nudelkopf wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: |
Living half-lives, never reaching full potential. |
Well that's just stupid. |
That it is, sad, isn't it? |
We live in a very sad world. I want to go live. May I be excused? I'm in a strange mood.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| Nudelkopf wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: |
That it is, sad, isn't it? |
We live in a very sad world. I want to go live. May I be excused? I'm in a strange mood. |
I excuse you, go live, if not for you, for the rest of us. I am too.
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Beagle On Stage
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Well I'm not interested in sitting around in a basement stoned because I have more important things to do than that. My life has purpose, and chasing rabbits does not forward that at all. Besides, my body is a temple. And it's only smoking in the sense that it truly IS smokin'.
And for what it's worth, cynicism isn't very attractive.
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Quique
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I'm OK with drinking, as long as it's on special occasions, in strict moderation, and there's no driving involved. The moment I see a bunch of teenagers condoning alcohol consumption, it becomes problematic. I feel the same way about smoking.
Yes, Salome started this thread, but it's different with her because not only is she an adult, but she doesn't have the same attitude as those who are here defending smoking by denying the health risks or by attaching a desirable image to those who engage in it. In other words, the immature, naive little convo of the last 3 pages is sad.
Why are there people defending weed by making it look completely harmless? Why are people preoccupied with an image this crap supposedly brings? If it does give someone a certain image, it's because they don't go around yapping about it. It's an accessory and it does compliment the way certain people carry themselves. It isn't the sole factor responsible for a so called "cool" image, ya know?
Plus, anyone who starts to smoke for that reason is an idiot! If you need a cigarette in order to look more appealing, then maybe you should take-up the habit.
You REALLY need it.
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olly
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| Quique wrote: | I'm OK with drinking, as long as it's on special occasions, in strict moderation, and there's no driving involved. The moment I see a bunch of teenagers condoning alcohol consumption, it becomes problematic. I feel the same way about smoking.
Yes, Salome started this thread, but it's different with her because not only is she an adult, but she doesn't have the same attitude as those who are here defending smoking by denying the health risks or by attaching a desirable image to those who engage in it. In other words, the immature, naive little convo of the last 3 pages is sad.
Why are there people defending weed by making it look completely harmless? Why are people preoccupied with an image this crap supposedly brings? If it does give someone a certain image, it's because they don't go around yapping about it. It's an accessory and it does compliment the way certain people carry themselves. It isn't the sole factor responsible for a so called "cool" image, ya know?
Plus, anyone who starts to smoke for that reason is an idiot! If you need a cigarette in order to look more appealing, then maybe you should take-up the habit.
You REALLY need it. |
Couldn't have put it better. Thank you Quique. Except the drinking part. I agree with teenagers drinking is problematic, but I don't think people should only drink on special occasions. I personally enjoy a drink and will have one when I feel like it. But I totally support you on your argument about weed and ciggarettes.
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singinginlarain
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I understand it is bad for your health, but it is something i personally think that everyone should try once in life. It's fun, and part of growing up! Most people in my town who do pot do not do it for an image, they try to hid the fact they do it, it isn't about the "cool" factor, it's about having a good time! I don't smoke alot, but every once and awhile when I'm sleeping over and not driving, I will. I also don't do it becuase it is the only way I can have fun, I can have fun anywhere! Don't judge people until you see where they are coming from.
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olly
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| singinginlarain wrote: | | I understand it is bad for your health, but it is something i personally think that everyone should try once in life. It's fun, and part of growing up! |
What?! How can you say trying a ciggarette is like a rite of passage? Even though smoking kills etc, everyone should try it... I just don't see where you are coming from with that argument. Why should everyone try it? Basically if you try it, you have the potential of getting addicted - what is the point?
There are many more ways to have fun than smoking. How do you think all the non-smokers have fun? If you quit and don't smoke, you'll find a away of "having fun" without smoking.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Quique wrote: | | Why are there people defending weed by making it look completely harmless? |
::::goes up to SOAP BOX and kicks KEY KAY off::::::
Weed is not nearly as harmful as ciggs are. That is a fact, and don't give me this "stepping stone" excuse either. I don't smoke weed but I would rather be around someone who smokes that than ciggs.
Ciggarettes are so gross!!! They make you smell. Your teeth turn yellow. Your skin gets all nasty, as do your fingernails.
| Quique wrote: | | Plus, anyone who starts to smoke for that reason is an idiot! |
That is how most people start smoking KEY KAY. They don't wake up one day thinking "You know what I want to try? TAR" Peer pressure has tons to do with it. Especially considering most people start smoking very early in life.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
That is how most people start smoking KEY KAY. They don't wake up one day thinking "You know what I want to try? TAR" Peer pressure has tons to do with it. Especially considering most people start smoking very early in life.
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This is most defiantly true. I thought it was gross, then I just started and it wasn't so gross anymore.
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olly
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| TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
That is how most people start smoking KEY KAY. They don't wake up one day thinking "You know what I want to try? TAR" Peer pressure has tons to do with it. Especially considering most people start smoking very early in life.
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This is most defiantly true. I thought it was gross, then I just started and it wasn't so gross anymore. |
But do you still want to quit? Or are you just going to go on with your life. I know a few people that just can't do it, and don't even try anymore.
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TheOneAndOnly
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| olly wrote: | | TheOneAndOnly wrote: | | The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
That is how most people start smoking KEY KAY. They don't wake up one day thinking "You know what I want to try? TAR" Peer pressure has tons to do with it. Especially considering most people start smoking very early in life.
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This is most defiantly true. I thought it was gross, then I just started and it wasn't so gross anymore. |
But do you still want to quit? Or are you just going to go on with your life. I know a few people that just can't do it, and don't even try anymore. |
Eh *sigh*. It's a work in progress. Personally, I think once you become hooked, you can never really quit. You may "quit" and never smoke again in your life. But, because smoking is a calming drug, when you get stressed, scared, angry, or very sad, you will always want a cigarette. Those who have the will power resist the urge, those who don't, can't.
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Quique
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: | ::::goes up to SOAP BOX and kicks KEY KAY off::::::
Weed is not nearly as harmful as ciggs are. That is a fact, and don't give me this "stepping stone" excuse either. I don't smoke weed but I would rather be around someone who smokes that than ciggs. |
I never said weed was worse than cigarettes. I just didn't understand why there were so many positive things being said about it - almost as if condoning it. I think it causes more bad than good overall. I have nothing against smokers though, but if given the chance to tell someone to stay away, I'd take it because health problems and addictions are very real and it's best not having to possibly deal with that.
What do you mean by "stepping stone excuse"?
| Ciaron wrote: | | That is how most people start smoking KEY KAY. They don't wake up one day thinking "You know what I want to try? TAR" Peer pressure has tons to do with it. Especially considering most people start smoking very early in life. |
Yes, I'm aware of that, I never said people wake up one morning and decide to do tar, heehee. I disagreed with the one-sidedness expressed by others. I acknowledge this is nothing compared to heavy peer pressure, but still, just thought the discussion could use a bit of a balance.
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olly
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| Quique wrote: | | What do you mean by "stepping stone excuse"? |
I've heard it used in the context of avoiding the issue, but I don't think you're doing that here.
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Beagle On Stage
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As for peer pressure, I don't think that's a valid argument, either. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, or even that it can't be influential, but that it's no excuse. We can all be stronger than to do something just because we're told to despite knowing the danger.
People use the idea of peer pressure as justification for anything "bad" involving teenagers. ("She's pregnant because her boyfriend pressured her into sleeping with him," "He drove drunk because his friends pressured him into giving them a ride," or "He's addicted to drugs because he was pressured into using them.") Yielding to peer pressure is a very weak action, and does not make anyone any less responsible for what they do.
Society of today has trained people to be victims. It always has to be someone else's fault.
Let's develop some willpower and strength of character.
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Salome
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all of you cool it. some of us smoke bwcause we enjoy it.
I can't belive wicked diva's attitude..thats disgusting. If you plan to be an actor remeber you will have a role sooner or later who is required to smoke. lets see what happens when it comes bewtween your higfh and mighty attitude and keeping a part.
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Kragey
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| La Boheme wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: | | However, I think that it's just beyond lame to smoke weed. And I think it's disgusting that so many people here casually admit to doing it. |
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The thread asks for honesty, love, so that's what I gave.
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La Boheme
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My point was that smoking (tobacco or weed) isn't worse for you than a lot of the other, more acceptable, 'bad' choices people make.
How many people here think its trashy/disgusting/lame/wasting your life to:
- drink alcohol
- eat fast food
- be overweight
- not exercise
- drink soda/pop
- eat tons of candy
All these things are bad for you to various extents comparable to smoking. They're just more socially acceptable.
People who take these self-righteous, holier than thou attitudes just make me want to start smoking again.
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Beagle On Stage
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I see what you're saying, but most people would say that smoking pot and the occasional Burger King fix are nowhere near the same category.
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Tovers
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | but most people would say |
And THAT is what is wrong with the world. People are just a bunch of mindless sheep.
What MOST people think or do does NOT have to be what is RIGHT.
People will conform to things simple to fit in; to have the same opinons as the popular opinion is what makes people feel comfortable.
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LoneWanderer
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Alcohol seems clearly worse than weed to me. It can be addictive, you can die directly from it, and people are much more aggressive with it. It messes with you in a different way than weed, a way which can lead you to make several more perminantly badly affecting decisions. I know some smart people who have done plain stupid things when drunk, but for the most part if you are smart you arn't going to put yourself in a situation where you can do stupid things when high. Worst I've ever seen was a singed eyebrow from putting the lighter to close to the roach (and I wasn't even the one holding the lighter...).
Fast food also has worse long term affects than weed. Most people don't smoke weed terribly often, but many more than that eat fast food fairly often. It can have serious longterm health impacts that weed does not have.
I do neither of these things, instead of fast food and drinking theres pot. I would say I made the right choice, especially since weed tends to create a more fun time than drinking.
~The Lone Wanderer
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Beagle On Stage
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If we're actually insisting that it's better to smoke marijuana than to eat French fries, I'm not even going to keep trying to have a sensible discussion about it.
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LoneWanderer
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I dont think eating a single thing of french fries is as bad, but eating french fries in the quanitities most people who eat lots of french fries eat them in is worse than smoking weed, yes. I think you are just somewhat brainwashed by such lovely programs as dare to think that smoking something is worse than all those other things. Instead of saying "oh this is rediculous" because what we are saying goes against what you have been forced into believing, how bout you make an argument against it that doesnt suck?
~The Lone Wanderer
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