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| DefyingCavaties |
Noticed where wicked isnt compltly right!I have noticed the following things about wicked1. Glinda is Blonde when in the wizard of Oz she is Ginger 2. Fiyero couldnt be the scarecrow coz Dorothy meets the scarecrow first on her journy and he was in the field behind not the one up the yellow brick road. (look were guards point) 3. the guards in the wizard of oz dont attack the witch before she gets melted 4. the scarecrow cant help the witch because he is with Dorothy when she is melted. but they are just the things i have noticed they mite be changed for a reason just they dnt make it look like the sequal to T.W.O.O |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
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It's not a sequel anyway. |
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| Maid Marian |
It's supposed to be a "revisionist" piece that presents the Wicked Witch of the West in a more positive light than the original story. Another example would be the novel "Wide Sargasso Sea" which focuses on the early life of the mad Mrs Rochester in Charlotte Bronte's "Jane Eyre".
The musical is also very different from the novel of Wicked, in which, among other things, Fiyero is not the Scarecrow and Glinda's hair colour is not all that important. |
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| Salome |
Yes. the novel is brillaint. the musical f*cked everything up. and people still wonder why there is such hatered toward the musical. 
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| Baker |
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1. Glinda's always been portrayed as redhead. Maguire changed it to blonde to play up the ditzy image of her in the movie. 2. In the book, Dorothy has been walking much longer than in the movie. She even stops to stay the night at a Munchkin's house (that Munchkin is actually Boq, but the musical changed that...). Therefore, it's entirely possible that Dorothy doesn't meet the Scarecrow until later. 3. What?! Are you talking about the Witch's guards? They don't attack her because they obey and follow her... 4. The whole point is that the Scarecrow is doing this when he's not with Dorothy. You have to keep in mind that Wicked doesn't follow the movie or the book, but rather bits and pieces of both. In the book, the Scarecrow is not with Dorothy when the Witch is melted. And besides, in Wicked, it's implied that Fiyero doesn't return to Elphaba until after he's got his brain and Dorothy has returned to Kansas. |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Not only that, it's more of a prequel. |
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| Laura |
read the book. its awesome!! | ||||||||
| actor |
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I think they mean in Wicked the Musical , during the melting scene, the guards are coming toward Elphaba behind the curtain trying to kill her just before Dorothy throws the water over her. However, this does not happen in the movie The Wizard of Oz. |
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| Baker |
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Oh, right. Well, I don't think they're meant to look like they're attacking Elphaba, necessarily... maybe Dorothy, maybe they're protecting Elphaba... or maybe they just put them in poses to make the shadows look cool. 
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| DefyinGravity |
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Heh-heh. Yeah, making the shadows look cool is always a +. But, Salome, or whoever said the musical f***ed it all up...how dare you? (She said as she listens to "Defying Gravity" on her brand new iPod Nano @ full blast.  )Anyway, I loved the musical, loved the book, and honestly can't stand to watch TWWO anymore. :shudders: Makes me have conniption (sp?) fits.
Ooh..."As Long As You're Mine" just came on. 1 second... ... Okay. I'm back. BTW, Baker. I was former "Defies_Gravity" but the system screwed up when I tried to change my e-mail. I had to re-register. |
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| shakalakababy |
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okay i don't really have anything to say on this topic but can i just say i love your username? 
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| lostquiche |
They could at LEAST spell cavities right. 
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| shakalakababy |
 i didn't even notice
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Too much time brushing those choppers and not enough time studying English. |
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| DefyinGravity |
Does it even matter? |
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| The Very Angry Woman |
Spelling always matters, whippersnapper. |
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| shakalakababy |
delete this | ||||||||
| Baker |
TVAW has just summed up life. Congrats. 
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| lostquiche |
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| Bracknell's_Understudy |
The Musical is sugarcoated. It's almost nothing like the book. Fiyero is indeed NOT the scarecrow. He dies in the middle of the book.  Boq is NOT the Tin Woodsman, it's just some random guy. The book ties into The Wizard of Oz pretty well, I think. (I always thought Glinda was blonde...it never bothered me.) The fact that Wicked is different from The Wizard of Oz is interesting. Besides it's kind of a prequel to TWOO. showing that the Elphaba wasn't as bad as the citizens of OZ made her to be. She just wanted to fit in, but because of her diverse way of living as an outcast she was assumed to be evil, when in turn, TheWizard was the antagonist. It also showed that Glinda's goodness wasn't always genuine.
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| Maid Marian |
In the original book of The Wizard of Oz, Boq is a Munchkin whom Dorothy talks to after she arrives in Oz. Because she's wearing a blue and white dress (apparently blue is the Munchkins' official colour and white represents witchcraft) he thinks she is showing that she is a friendly witch.
Also in the novel of Wicked, Elphaba does briefly think the Scarecrow may be Fiyero in disguise, but - er - he's not. [/u]
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| LifeUponTheWickedStage |
How about the fact that in the book Elphaba doesn't take up sorcery classes at Shiz! That was Galinda (who magics Nessa's shoes) and Nessa doesn't go to Shiz initially!
Elphaba tricks Galinda into going back to Shiz while she stays in Emerald City. In Wizard of Oz Dorothy is scared and hates the Witch. In Wicked she is trying to be kind and save her when there is fire so melting her is an accident! It is one of Fiyero's children that discover the broom can fly! Chistery being able to fly is an experiment Elphaba tries out at Kia Kiamo. I could go on! But then, all that detail would make a lousy musical! Have to be seen as separate entities! |
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| Baker |
OK, since when is this thread a list of differences between book and musical?
And it's Kiamo Ko. |
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| wls250 |
I allways got confused, onto why Nessa Rose, Actually did die. Bit harsh I thought, considering it was glindas plan just so they could catch her, I thought it was supposed to be pretend! oh well | ||||||||
| Baker |
Morrible and the Wizard knew that Elphaba was too smart to fall for a fake death, so they really killed Nessarose. | ||||||||
| wls250 |
I thought that but then thought was that to harsh haha |
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| LifeUponTheWickedStage |
Thanks! thought it was wrong, but couldn't get hold of book to check! I meant the same thing! Nevertheless, both the book and musical are fab in their own special way! |
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| xoFoRgEtReGrEtox |
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Oh shut up! you have no life and these things are perfectly worng to point out or correct! Wicked is brilliant and clever and you know it! Go die. |
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| DefyinGravity |
Must agree with you there. Although I squealed with delight when I opened one of my Christmas gifts and found out that it was a special edition musical tie-in of the novel.
http://www.amazon.com/Wicked-Times-Witch-Musical-Tie/dp/0060745908/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-2964704-6618348?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173222633&sr=1-1 Oh, and xoFoRgEtReGrEtox: you're siggy banner is fantabulous. |
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| PappyCat |
It's so interesting to see all the differences! I've never read the book, but I'd like to.
However, like ANY book to movie (or other form of entertainment that must be contained to a one-time viewing) they have to keep things fairly linear, where a book can jump around and be a little more twisty and involved, a movie or play has to squeeze things into a feasible story. Totally different canvases. (P.S: I was trying not to lump movies and theater together, but they are similar in this sense.) |
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| shakalakababy |
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someone has some anger issues |
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| TR_Wolf |
Doesn't "special edition musical tie in" mean "it has some photos in the middle" ? |
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| Quique |
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Ugh. She's on the rag. |
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| katethegreat |
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Seriously hun, just a friendly word of advice. This is why Wicked fans get such a hard time round here. |
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| Salome |
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that and because they like a shitty show. 
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| katethegreat |
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Shut up - you know I'm a fan too 
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| DefyinGravity |
Hee-hee. You guys are so funny. OH, and TR_Wolf, yes it does has some pics in the middle. Plus the cover was just friggin' awesome!! | ||||||||
| TR_Wolf |
I suppose. Funny really as the cover has as little to do with the musical as the book, I mean Glinda with straight blonde hair, a white witch hat, and Elphie with red lips, heh. The one I have has the London musical cover (ie the real people, not the art version), but no photos, which makes sense really as the show really isnt very much to do with the book, and the images wouldnt really match, I mean Galinda from the book would never be in Glinda's signature pink petal dress, and neither of them would be flouncing around in One Short Day, as they (in the book) were observing how bad the city was, poverty etc, and even the Wizard's mask isnt like how he appears in the book, the cornfield catfight didnt happen, there was no OzDust Ballroom, Boq and Nessa never got together, couldnt show Fiyero cos he looks totally different in the book etc, and I imagine those are the big photos within, arent they? They're usually the most popular shots. I mean even the defying gravity shot couldnt work, Elphie was rubbish at defying gravity when she first tried in the book, hehe. The only photos of the show which could possibly work are ones of Madame Morrible, and shots of the classroom with Dr Dillamond, and possibly a few shots of Chistery. |
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| Baker |
You know that's a painting too, right? That's not real people.
Except that she does. In the second half of the book, Glinda is noted to wear dresses with enormous skirts. One of my favorite lines in the book is when Elphaba notes that with her dress, Glinda looks like a "Glindaberry bush." She wears a dress to Nessarose's funeral that is so large it manages to detail a history of Oz in its embroidery and she even mentions remembering a salmon-colored gown when she met Dorothy.
In L. Frank Baum's original The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the Wizard appears in a different form to everyone. Dorothy sees him as the giant head, the Scarecrow sees a beautiful woman, the Tin Woodman sees a terrible beast, and the Lion sees him as a great ball of fire. Maguire was continuing with this when Elphaba and Glinda saw him in a different disguse. The MGM movie altered this to just the head, since it's easier, and the musical followed the MGM movie for this, since it's something more people would recognize.
The point isn't that the photos match up with the book. The point is that it's fun to see the characters. If you're just looking at the pictures, you aren't necessarily going to know that Glinda and Elphaba are about to have a catfight or that Nessarose and Boq are romantically involved (depending on the picture used, of course). |