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| wicked_boy |
Married 'man' claims to be five months pregnant...Married 'man' claims to be five months pregnant...A man who used to be a woman before having gender reassignment surgery claims he is five months pregnant and expecting a baby girl in July. Thomas Beatie, who is married and from the US state of Oregon, has written an article in the gay magazine Advocate, saying it feels "incredible" to be a "pregnant man". He adds: "Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am." Born Tracy Lagondino, Mr Beatie kept his female organs when he changed genders. He turned to home insemination after what he says was discrimination from doctors. He says he is carrying a child on behalf of his wife, Nancy, because she has had a hysterectomy. The couple have been together for 10 years. "Doctors have discriminated against us, turning us away due to their religious beliefs," Mr Beatie explained in the article. "Healthcare professionals have refused to call me by a male pronoun or recognise Nancy as my wife. Receptionists have laughed at us. Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy's family doesn't even know I'm transgender," he added. "Sterilisation is not a requirement for sex reassignment, so I decided to have chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy but kept my reproductive rights," he said. "Wanting to have a biological child is neither a male nor female desire but a human desire." The couple, who manage a custom screen-printing business in the town of Bend, lived a normal life "until we decided that I would carry our child," Mr Beatie wrote. A previous insemination ended in a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy with triplets, requiring surgery, resulting in the loss of all his embryos and his right fallopian tube. "I will be my daughter's father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family," Mr Beatie wrote. Advocate says it has confirmed with Mr Beatie's doctors that he is indeed pregnant. |
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| Luc |
Where are you finding these articles, might I ask? | ||||
| ActingDude17 |
Someone has a lot of time on their hands. 
That's very...odd. |
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| blackbird_fly |
I get that it's a natural urge to have children. But this sounds way too unnecessarily complicated-why not just adopt? | ||||
| kiwiholly |
Interesting.
I wonder how the kid will feel when he/she grows up and finds out "Your dad gave birth to you". o.O |
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| Beagle On Stage |
So this is a man who was once a woman, but still has female genitalia, but is still considered a man, who is pregnant on behalf of his or her wife.
What a terribly confused individual in need of a hug. |
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| Monsieur D'Arque |
You think this is confusing? Listen to this story. It blows your minds as it blows stereotypes.
A friend of mine is a physician who works at a mill. One man he treated was a large, brawny, very masculine heterosexual man... who one day confessed that he was a woman in a man's body. After debating with himself for a while, he decided to make the change. He is now a woman... but a butch lesbian of the most stereotypical, "manly" kind. A man who likes women decides to become a woman who likes women too. Logic that makes sense only to him. But who am I to judge? |
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| Beagle On Stage |
Reminds me of "South Park."
WE'RE SCISSORING!!!!!! |
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| Bristian |
It was on like, Access Hollywood or Extra or something like that last night I believe.
I didnt see it so me and my godmother were talking about it today. That is so unusual. I feel bad though that they have been denied treatment and help because of the situation. It's not his fault what he was born with and decided to keep and get rid of. My only problem is that if he has the kid, how did the wife impregnate him? Unless she has a penis, I don't see how that is possible. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
How is that confusing? It's not like sex reassignment changes your sexual orientation or anything. As for the guy in the original article... I just hope he's been off testosterone for a good long time, because if his hormones aren't back to female levels it could completely screw up the pregnancy. |
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| pish123c |
Gender and sexuality don't have to be entirely black and white, though. |
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| shakalakababy |
yeah i saw this on the news yesterday and they were talking about all the negative side effects the baby could have from the testerone, especially because he's expecting a girl | ||||
| Beagle On Stage |
I'm pretty sure the decision of keeping and getting rid of things was all up to her. |
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| wicked_boy |
LMAO. The MSN / Hotmail homepage, I wouldn't usually bother to read them, but today was boring for me, untill this evening. |
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| Emilala |
Actually, since he's a trans man, I'd say it was his. If he says that he i a man, then he is, no matter what is/was on his chest, what hormones he was on, etc. We refer to trans people as they wish to be referred to, and obviously this man is a "he." |
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| Beagle On Stage |
God, sorry! You don't have to patronisingly "correct" me. We're talking about a pretty blurry line here. Personally, I have trouble considering people to be men when they have functioning female reproductive systems. |
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| metaphor17 |
But he also has male organs, correct? Or did I read that wrong? |
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| Emilala |
Wow, sorry. I was just trying to clarify the way that it's generally done. |
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| Beagle On Stage |
I'm understanding that she had her breasts done but kept her female reproductive organs. | ||||
| Emilala |
That was my understanding of what he did as well. |
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| Beagle On Stage |
That was in response to Metaphor17.
Though I still stand that if it has ovaries, a uterus, etc., it's no "he." But then I was never a great biology student, so maybe I'm just misinformed, and it's actually men who have vaginas. |
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| shakalakababy |
he identifies as he, that's the point. People can identify as whatever they want to. It's a long process for transgender to people to completly switch to another gender and some choose not to go all the way but they still try to live in the identity of what they want to be and i think people should respect that. | ||||
| metaphor17 |
This reflects my views exactly, and I think Emilala's. |
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| Emilala |
Exactly, metaphor17. |
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| Beagle On Stage |
Girls were girls and men were men...those were the days.
What a very disturbing society we have become. |
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| Cake_in_Song |
Men raped their wives, whites subjugated the other races....those were the days.
What a pleasant society we used to live in. |
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| Kragey |
If my roommates are around when somebody asks me a serious question about lesbian sex, they always shout that. So now I've got a bunch of people running around telling heterosexuals that lesbian sex consists of women cutting each other up with scissors. Or some other such nonsense. That's an incredible article, by the way. Blew my mind. |
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| Beagle On Stage |
You know the context of the reference though, right? |
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| wicked_boy |
If a person has a willy it's a boy. If a person has a hoo hoo it's a girl.
That's the way I see it. 
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| Nudelkopf |
What an incredibly mature, decided thought that is. Incredibly scientific, too, I might add. wicked_boy.. penis.. vagina.. No. Big. Deal. It's not against the rules of the board to say real words, you know. This topic reminds me slightly of being able to be called an Aboriginal Australian or not. If you 'identify' with being an Australian Aboriginal, by law you are an Australian Aboriginal. |
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| Kragey |
South Park. |
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| wicked_boy |
XD. I like the words willy and hoo hoo. I always use them, unless I'm in a science lesson. I'm happy you think I'm mature, it's made my day. |
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| actor |
Who did he get pregnant from? Does his wife have a penis? | ||||
| Orestes Fasting |
So are people with androgen insensitivity syndrome male or female? After all, they look completely female, but have male chromosomes and plumbing.
Gender is a social construct distinct from physical sex. In the vast, vast majority of cases the two match, but there are exceptions--and if we can make an exception for somebody who's genetically male but has female secondary sex characteristics, why shouldn't there also be an exception for transsexuals? |
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| Kragey |
Because that's too difficult. |
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| Beagle On Stage |
Who says we make exceptions in any case? Once again, "we" is being used when "I" is more accurate. | ||||
| musictheatre00 |
Everyone, I need to share this with you...I am a guy AND I AM PREGNANT!...just kidding.
lol, for some reasion I always just think that when it comes to crazy topics like these, there's nothing you can do but laugh! |
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| Orestes Fasting |
So if you knew someone who had AIS, looked like a girl, was raised like a girl, and found out one day she was genotypically male, she'd be a guy in your book and you'd go out of your way to call her "he"? Wow. |
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| Beagle On Stage |
I don't see myself as the one going out of their way to call anyone anything. It seems to me that the ones who call a pregnant person with a functioning female reproductive system a man are the ones who are going out of their way.
As for AIS, I'm no expert on the subject, so what I know about it is limited to what you've described. My understanding is that it refers to an anatomically male person who appears to be female. I would still consider that person male. Of course, it's not a very solid comparison. Even I, with my very limited knowledge on the subject, know that AIS is a mutation. This is something entirely different from a woman who, with the exception of surgically altered breasts, has a female body, and wants to be referred to as a man. |
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| Orestes Fasting |
Surgically removed breasts and years of testosterone therapy--which means facial and body hair, voice change, male body shape, and pretty much all the male secondary sex characteristics. He presents as male. He looks male. If you passed him on the street you'd take him for a dude with a belly. What's between his legs is his business. |
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| Beagle On Stage |
No, what's between the legs is a person's sex. We clearly do not agree and honestly I'm bored. | ||||
| Kiwi |
There's a clear distinction between the terms "sex" and "gender," even though most people don't realize this. One's gender is the sex that they would prefer to be considered, more associated with secondary sex characteristics. One's sex is what they are based on primary sex characteristics. So, in a way you can both be right. Now let's hug, make up, and move on. | ||||
| mastachen |
It's not like they were having a fight. I thought it was a rather intelligent discussion... until Beagle's last post. |
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| Kiwi |
This is true. I'm just trying to lean people away from confrontation, since it seems to be running rampant in some of the threads lately. | ||||
| Beagle On Stage |
A proposal to agree to disagree because we're going in tedious circles was the deal-breaker?[/list] |