Mistress
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JCS 1973 or 2000I'm just interested in what the local concensus is here...I've just started wactching the new one...and it's interesting to say the least...I really Like Renee Castle's Mary...Jerome Pradon's Judas is creepy to say the least, but I still find him vocally enjoyable, but Carl Anderson from the '73 movie is still my favourite (did I get the name right?).
I'm really not sure what to say to Glenn Carter's Jesus...he's not bad, but I really want to cut off that hair...makes him look like Michael Bolton...
any way, all stop yaking and what for some replies...you guys are the hardcore fans and clearly know more than I do about it.
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Salome
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I like the new one with Glenn Cater. its very visionary. The priests are done quite exquisitely. the whole look and mood is powerful.
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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| Salome wrote: | | I like the new one with Glenn Cater. its very visionary. The priests are done quite exquisitely. the whole look and mood is powerful. |
It might be 'visionary', but the actors and singers still suck.
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Pannic
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I don't like either of the filmed versions.
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JMantis
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Definitely the 73 movie with Ted Neeley and Carl Anderson. It's far superior to the new 2000 Stage Production.
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jcstar
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My new review:
Carter: has a few great moments of great acting. Vocally, he's not right for the part. He's got an alright voice and he can sing BUT he doesn't fit the bill as Jesus. I prefer him as Simon.
Pradon: I have enormous respect for him taking on this role. He tried his best to sing it. I can hear the pain and anguish in Judas' lines. His acting is excellent. He has a great understanding of the role.
Castle: I like her. But I think if I saw her live, she'd blow me away. Very pretty and well acted
Johansson: sings the shit out of Pilate! I have seen bootlegs of his Pilate and he's much better in the live. Not sympathetic enough, though.
Owens: Nice to see a black actor play Caiaphas.
Scaffer: a very robotic Annas. Nice interpretation. Annas here seems cold-blooded and heartless.
Mayall: Love the piano bit.
Vincent: Stole the show! Terrific voice. Great Simon Zealotes.
The settingis well done. I love the concept of the film.
But, '73 is perfect. It's a fact.
Andy.
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Beagle On Stage
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| jcstar wrote: | | Carter: has a few great moments of great acting. |
When? He indicates all over the place and is a wimp. And his arm is flabby when Judas touches it at the beginning. Ted overshadows him about 10 times.
| Quote: | | Owens: Nice to see a black actor play Caiaphas. |
But it's unfortunate to see a boring and static portrayal of Caiaphas, especially one with mediocre vocals when we all know his voice was the only reason he was cast in the first place. Being black doesn't save the performance.
| Quote: | | Scaffer: a very robotic Annas. Nice interpretation. Annas here seems cold-blooded and heartless. |
And eye-twitchingly obnoxious. Expressionless. Using "robotic" is like using "silver" instead of gray hair.
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Melindaisy
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I LOVE the 1973 version much more.... Neeley was awesome!
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Tj@themusicals
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I prefer the 1973 interpretation.
Tony Vincent's voice and Jerome's acting are the only saving graces for the modern version
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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73', no question.
There were no redeeming points to the 2000 film.
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learntowalk
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Just watched the 2000 versionVery, very sad. While Webber and Rice's materials are as amazing as always, I found the staging and the casting (more of the full cast than the main charaters) to be a sad example of type casting and sexisim. Somehow pole dancing on the cross and Victoria secret angels do biker/dometrixes and Herod does the Vegas/mafia thing detract from am amazing piece of work. I've seen this piecee of worki since the 70's in every format from HS productions, church productions, broadway and everything inbetween and this was the first time that the production overshadowed the message, the work and the music. I am so, so sad.
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MunkustrapQC
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Neeley really look like Jesus...
I'm impatient to see him in Montreal in about 1 month...
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Salome
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| Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | I like the new one with Glenn Cater. its very visionary. The priests are done quite exquisitely. the whole look and mood is powerful. |
It might be 'visionary', but the actors and singers still suck. |
the priests acted and sang cirles around the original film actors portrayal.
Pilate was every bit as good as barry Dennen but quite different.
and Judas apart from looking like squiggy was wonderful.
and mary magdaline was at least attractive.
yvonne ellman couldnt act,sing or look good in the role.
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Brother Marvin Hinten, S.
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I cry "bull" -- Yvonne would be a better lay, without a doubt.
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Mistress
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My les side would take Renee Castle any day....I agree with Salome ( I can't believe I just said that) Castle was the more attractive Mary, although I though Ellman sang decently. Castle's "How Do I Love Him" was much more emotional though.
I can't really recall the Pilate from ther old Movie, but I actually like the dude in the new movie, same with Rik Mayal or whatever his last name is as Herod (He did get a tad creept after a while, but at least he didn't look like he smoked too much and stuck his hand in an electrical socket)
And Neeley sounded like a Beejees brother...a tad odd for Jesus, but thaen again that was my first experience of the show, so I was generally thrown off a little by Jesus singing falsetto.
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Salome
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| Brother Marvin Hinten, S. wrote: | | I cry "bull" -- Yvonne would be a better lay, without a doubt. |
maybe if you like ugly talentless women.
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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Castle is one of the worst actresses I've ever seen. It's alright to show emotion, but Castle ---- over I Don't Know How to Love Him. Natlie Toro of the US Tour, the tour version of the 2000 Revival, did ten times better.
And although Ellman isn't 'beautiful', she's kind of cute. And I like her
voice.
| Quote: | | the priests acted and sang cirles around the original film actors portrayal. |
I agree with you here. But they were way to robotic for my taste.
| Quote: | | and Judas apart from looking like squiggy was wonderful. |
No, he was awful. His voice was shit. I don't care what people say about his acting; Judas has to be a good actor AND a good singer.
| Quote: | | Pilate was every bit as good as barry Dennen but quite different. |
He was an awful actor. I love Dennen's fruity Pilate.
| Quote: | | And Neeley sounded like a Beejees brother...a tad odd for Jesus, but thaen again that was my first experience of the show, so I was generally thrown off a little by Jesus singing falsetto. |
Are you sure you're not thinking of Glenn Carter? Because Glenn Carter had the falsetto, Neeley had the scream...
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Mistress
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| Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: | .
| Quote: | | And Neeley sounded like a Beejees brother...a tad odd for Jesus, but thaen again that was my first experience of the show, so I was generally thrown off a little by Jesus singing falsetto. |
Are you sure you're not thinking of Glenn Carter? Because Glenn Carter had the falsetto, Neeley had the scream... |
Yeah, I'm sure abiout Neeley...Carter's falsetto didn't bug me as much, I guess cause I was used to it by now...but still, one of my my first thoughts when I first heard Neeley sing in the movie was "He looks like Jesus but sounds like a Beejee." IDK, maybe I'm just weird?
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jcstar
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Who dares say they can't remember Pilater from the '73 film? Who... WHO???
You may want to go back and really LISTEN to Neeley's version. But... you should also listen to Ian Gillan (1970) and Jeff Fenholt (1971) sing Jesus.
I am starting to dislike Carter as Jesus. (Adam, Gibby... be silent!)
Yvonne Elliman is beautiful. You can't deny that. Castle was good... but I'd want to see her live.
Toro was amazing. I saw her as Mary three times and she was everything Elliman was and is. Thing is, she didn't try to be Yvonne. Her version was very different. Anyone who saw her on tour would say that.
Andy.
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kittengoespop
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I said it once, I'll say it again. I can sum up the stupidity of the 1973 movie in five words:
Judas gets chased by tanks.
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Beagle On Stage
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True, Yvonne Elliman isn't exactly a pretty face. But to me, she looks the part. You don't have to be pretty to be a prostitute. And having her not be emphasizes that Jesus loves her for more than just her body, which is not only a huge part of Mary's character, but separates Jesus's character from the other men, too. What Elliman does have is the beautiful long hair so closely tied to Mary Magdalene. She also may not have a gorgeous voice, but her "I Don't Know How to Love Him" is legendary. At the time the film was made, there was basically no one else for the role.
And Renee Castle isn't all she's cracked up to be. I don't think she does much of a job acting the role. Her voice is okay but not outstanding. And I don't like her face, either. She may be a step above Elliman physically, but we're still not talking about a knockout here.
I don't think it matters what the actress looks like as far as this show is concerned. Whereas in DeMille's silent "The King of Kings," we have the stunning Jacqueline Logan playing her as more of a radiant silver-spoon Jezebel type, the Mary Magdalene of "Jesus Christ Superstar" was never a beauty queen.
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Beagle On Stage
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| kittengoespop wrote: | I said it once, I'll say it again. I can sum up the stupidity of the 1973 movie in five words:
Judas gets chased by tanks. |
It does seem ridiculous when you take it completely out of context like that.
I'll cover the 2000 version's stupidity in five words: Jesus is such a femme. And... The Apostles weild machine guns. And... Nobody has a rock voice. And...
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kittengoespop
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | kittengoespop wrote: | I said it once, I'll say it again. I can sum up the stupidity of the 1973 movie in five words:
Judas gets chased by tanks. |
It does seem ridiculous when you take it completely out of context like that.
I'll cover the 2000 version's stupidity in five words: Jesus is such a femme. And... The Apostles weild machine guns. And... Nobody has a rock voice. And... |
I understand the context of it. It's still stupid.
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Pannic
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The show is supposed to have anacrhonisms, hence the machine guns.
But at least they made sense in the 2000 version. The tanks in the 73 movie were just random and out of place.
Which brings me to another point: Simon Zealots. The 2000 version was vastly superior on this number, because the 73 movie fails to get the point accross. In the 73 version (and the current tour), it's just another "Hosanna." In the 2000 version, it actually gets the point accross that they want to arm - these are fanatics. Simon wasn't called a "Zealot" for nothing.
And please do not excuse the ridiculous dancing in the 73 movie with "well he's supposed to be out of control" - no. He just looks stupid.
As to how "effeminate" Glenn Carter is in the role, at least he puts some emotion into it. Neely's Jesus has the personality of a rock.
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jcstar
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^ CRUCIFY HIM!!!!!!!
(I am referring to his description of Neeley's Jesus.)
Andy.
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Pannic
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Oh, please. Aside from his rock screams, Neely has absolutely nothing. In the entire movie, he has about three facial expressions, two of which are exclusively spent in Hosanna.
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Brother Marvin Hinten, S.
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True. But that was in 1973. 35 years later, in my opinion and also in the opinion of a man who has worked in the industry for well over that amount of time, Neeley has not only grown into the part, but is at his absolute best level of performance now, bar any other time in his JCS career.
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Beagle On Stage
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| Pannic wrote: | | The show is supposed to have anacrhonisms, hence the machine guns. But at least they made sense in the 2000 version. The tanks in the 73 movie were just random and out of place. |
If you really believe that the anachronisms in the 1973 movie are "random and out of place," you don't understand them.
| Pannic wrote: | | Neely's Jesus has the personality of a rock. |
At least he has gotten even better as he's gotten older. Your comparison of Ted's personality to a rock must be about as old as he is, and it's as lame today as it was the first time you said it.
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Pannic
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Likewise, Neely's portrayal as Jesus, as I saw in the tour, was as lame as he was in the movie.
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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| jcstar wrote: | ^ CRUCIFY HIM!!!!!!!
(I am referring to his description of Neeley's Jesus.)
Andy. |
No. Don't crucify the musically retarded.
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Pannic
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Cute.
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spencerlee
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Not a huge fan of either. but there are parts I like of each one. I like the voices better in Glenn Carter's version but I like Harod's song better in ted Neely's. It depends on what mood I'm in
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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I thought so.
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