Margenta
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Is the old one better then the new one?Hey. I would love too se the "new" , or 8 year old , Jesus Christ Superstar movie but i have never had the chans.Is it really better than The old one? 
I just love the old one. 
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theonetowatch
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The new one sucks. There is zero choreography and it's just badly done all around.
If that's the one I'm thinking of.
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Beagle On Stage
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The 1973 version is infinitely better. The new cast is weak, the production design is terrible, etc. Anyone who likes the show should see the 2000 one anyway just for the sake of seeing it, but it can't even begin to compare.
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jcstar
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Oh, never mind.
Andy.
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good witch of broadway
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i heard the first one was waaaaay better, but unfortunetly i've only seen the new one.  ...but i didn't think it was that bad, just judas was weird and he has llike, the coolest part.
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Margenta
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Now I have seen both of them. They are both great. but I think they sing better in the old one. Do you know that pilatus in the new one is Swedish 
 
My cousine thinks that the new one is set in a college or a high School but I don't think that's right. Or is it
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Damn_Badgers
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I feel very strongly that the 73 movie is in pretty much everyway better than the 2000 movie. Actually the only part of the 2000 movie which is better is Tony Vincent as Simon Zealotes, who is a lot better than the Simon in the 73 version. Simply put Carl Anderson and Ted Neely are the very best, and Glenn Carter and Jerome Pradon are nowhere near as good in my opinion.
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krisavalon
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I'm pretty much with the consensus here. I didn't hate the 2000 film, but I do think that the original is light years better. OF course, for me, it just doesn't get any better than Ted Neeley and Carl Anderson.
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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Ted Neeley/Carl Anderson > Glenn Carter/Jerome Pradon
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Pannic
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They both suck.
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ILoveToSing2010
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I love both of them! 
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LaurelDP
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I couldn't stand Jerome Pradon's voice as Judas!
It almost killed me!
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krisavalon
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| LaurelDP wrote: | I couldn't stand Jerome Pradon's voice as Judas!
It almost killed me! |
Oh, you are SO right. I kept thinking, "This guy sounds like Pinky from Pinky and the Brain."
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jcstar
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You do know that Pradon is tearing his lungs out while singing the role... which is what a Judas SHOULD do.
He's a baritone trying his best to sing a high tenor role. That's not easy. Especially when the AUTHORS have asked you several times to sing the role... when you wanted to sing as Jesus.
Pradon has gone onto play Herod onstage, but refuses to sing Judas again.
Pradon also has one of the most moving versions of "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" I have ever heard.
Pradon deserves more credit tan he gets.
Andy
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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| jcstar wrote: | You do know that Pradon is tearing his lungs out while singing the role... which is what a Judas SHOULD do.
He's a baritone trying his best to sing a high tenor role. That's not easy. Especially when the AUTHORS have asked you several times to sing the role... when you wanted to sing as Jesus.
Pradon has gone onto play Herod onstage, but refuses to sing Judas again.
Pradon also has one of the most moving versions of "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" I have ever heard.
Pradon deserves more credit tan he gets.
Andy |
Gale Edwards and Webber are stupid. It's obvious that Pradon doesn't have the vocal range for Judas.
I don't care what anyone says. His acting sucks. His voice is awful as a tenor voice.
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LaurelDP
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| jcstar wrote: | You do know that Pradon is tearing his lungs out while singing the role... which is what a Judas SHOULD do.
He's a baritone trying his best to sing a high tenor role. That's not easy. Especially when the AUTHORS have asked you several times to sing the role... when you wanted to sing as Jesus.
Pradon has gone onto play Herod onstage, but refuses to sing Judas again.
Pradon also has one of the most moving versions of "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" I have ever heard.
Pradon deserves more credit tan he gets.
Andy |
Oh, don't get me wrong, I LOVE Jerome Pradon!
Just not as Judas.
The role is just very, very clearly out of his range. And when his struggle to sing the role is that clear to the audience, it gets distracting, and the audience doesn't listen to what is actually being said/sung anymore.
Acting wise, I enjoyed Pradon's Judas quite a lot.
I haven't seen the film in a while, but from what I remember I think I just wanted to see Pradon's Judas love Jesus a little bit more.
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Pannic
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Glenn Carter is whiny, has no charisma, and is just plain weak as Jesus.
Ted Neeley has the personality of a rock.
Carl Anderson is obviously better than Jerome Pradon.
Jerome Pradon wails like a Banshee.
The 73 Simon Zealotes scene was absolutely laughable, and came off more as another "Hosanna" than what it's supposed to be. The 2000 version conveyed it better.
Bob Bingham was a better Caiaphas.
The Annas in the 73 version, however, stunk.
I didn't like either Herod.
The scenery for the 73 was drab, and the marketplace at the temple was horrendously out of place, with a gatling gun and guitars for sales. If you're going to put anachronisms in the show, put them throughout the show instead of one scene, which will make the audience wondering "what the hell?"
The set design for the 2000 version was unimaginative.
The transition to "Superstar" in the 73 version was awkward, plain and simple.
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Lazarus (Adam G)
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| Pannic wrote: |
Ted Neeley has the personality of a rock.
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Did you ever see him live? He does NOT have the personality of a rock.
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Jekkienumber24601
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| jcstar wrote: | You do know that Pradon is tearing his lungs out while singing the role... which is what a Judas SHOULD do.
He's a baritone trying his best to sing a high tenor role. That's not easy. Especially when the AUTHORS have asked you several times to sing the role... when you wanted to sing as Jesus.
Pradon has gone onto play Herod onstage, but refuses to sing Judas again.
Pradon also has one of the most moving versions of "Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" I have ever heard.
Pradon deserves more credit tan he gets.
Andy |
He's amazing. they have a video of him as Javert in the Confrontation floating around youtube. i even like him as Judas. He reminds me of Zubin Varla which is my all time favorite judas. Steve Balsamo is my favorite Jesus followed closely by Ted, then John Farnham. Glen is the worst Jesus ever!
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Pannic
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| Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: | | Pannic wrote: |
Ted Neeley has the personality of a rock.
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Did you ever see him live? He does NOT have the personality of a rock. |
No, I haven't, but he did in that movie, that's for sure. Maybe he's better now, but as for the movie, he did have the personality of a rock.
Jeff Fenholt is my favorite Jesus.
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Jordan
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I was always surprised they didn't take Steve Balsamo as Jesus in the 'remake' to be honest. He got so much coverage in the UK as 'the crying Jesus' for his Gethsemane that when I saw it was Carter, I was VERY surprised.
Oh well, that's ALW for you... He's a touch of the control freak at times!
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Beagle On Stage
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| Pannic wrote: | | Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: | | Pannic wrote: |
Ted Neeley has the personality of a rock.
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Did you ever see him live? He does NOT have the personality of a rock. |
No, I haven't, but he did in that movie, that's for sure. Maybe he's better now, but as for the movie, he did have the personality of a rock. |
I disagree. Ted does not have the personality of a rock. He just rocks.
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ultra_lilac
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I love Fred Johanson as Pilate in the newer version. Overall I prefer that version, but really I think it's only because I saw it first and am used to the way it's performed.
They both have their own strengths and weaknesses.
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jelliclesongs
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I don't like either. Ted Neeley really disappointed me in the older version, I didn't think he was good at all! My favourite cast is one on the 1996 London Cast Recording, especially Steve Balsamo as Jesus and Zubin Varla as Judas, their voices are absolutely stunning.
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jcstar
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| Lazarus (Adam G) wrote: | Gale Edwards and Webber are stupid. It's obvious that Pradon doesn't have the vocal range for Judas.
I don't care what anyone says. His acting sucks. His voice is awful as a tenor voice. |
But, you have also said you have a lot of respect for Pradon... especially when I told you he was a baritone.
And, he is a great actor. Put his acting skills up against Carter's and well... never mind.
Andy.
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Brother Marvin Hinten, S.
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What respect can we have for a man who not only clearly doesn't have the range, but when ALW tells him he's interested in him, he thinks "Oh God, they want me to be Jesus"? Bad tenor vocals, and a real egotist to boot.
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JMantis
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For me the '73 movie is still the best. The New Stage production has it's moments but it has even more flaws. Glen Carter should never have played the role of Jesus, he's just not convincing enough and he doesn't even look like Jesus Christ.
Jerome Pradon can definitely act but he doesn't have any soul in his singing whitch is basically a must-have in order to play the role of Judas.
I also didn't like the futuristic staging, it just didn't fit.
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kittengoespop
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I can describe the stupidity of the 1973 version in five words.
JUDAS GETS CHASED BY TANKS.
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Beagle On Stage
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| kittengoespop wrote: | I can describe the stupidity of the 1973 version in five words.
JUDAS GETS CHASED BY TANKS. |
It may seem out of place in 2007, but in the early 70's it made perfect sense.
The real issue is when Judas runs away from the other apostles at the last supper. You can definitely tell he's a singer, not an athlete.
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krisavalon
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I definitely agree with the sentiment about Glenn Carter being a very disappointing Jesus. He started out playing Simon, a role that is probably much better suited for him. I guess I've just always preferred the rockstar Jesus types for that role.
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jcstar
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | kittengoespop wrote: | I can describe the stupidity of the 1973 version in five words.
JUDAS GETS CHASED BY TANKS. |
It may seem out of place in 2007, but in the early 70's it made perfect sense. |
Well, it still makes sense to JCS fans who understand WHY the tanks are there in the first place. I always thought of them to represent Judas' Tormentors.
Little kown fact about that scene. Ted Neeley is doing the camera work.
Andy.
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Jekkienumber24601
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| jelliclesongs wrote: | | I don't like either. Ted Neeley really disappointed me in the older version, I didn't think he was good at all! My favourite cast is one on the 1996 London Cast Recording, especially Steve Balsamo as Jesus and Zubin Varla as Judas, their voices are absolutely stunning. |
totally the best cast. and Glenn is Simon. Where he belongs (though I like Tony Vincet better)
The Pilate isn't too over the top in 1996 and has a stronger voice, then Dennen, though I always love his acting as Pilate.
Annas is amazing in the 2000 movie.
Overall I'd take
Jesus: 1996
Judas: 1996
Pilate: 1996
Mary: Don't care
Simon: 2000
Annas: 2000
Ciaphas: Ted Neeley Farewell Tour
Herod: Barry Dennen
Peter: 2000
Overall out of all the versions out there, there's no one from the 73 cast I'd prefer to people from the newer casts. Though Ted Neeley is so much better at the role when he's 60. strangely enough and he's sooo nice.
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kittengoespop
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| jcstar wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: | | kittengoespop wrote: | I can describe the stupidity of the 1973 version in five words.
JUDAS GETS CHASED BY TANKS. |
It may seem out of place in 2007, but in the early 70's it made perfect sense. |
Well, it still makes sense to JCS fans who understand WHY the tanks are there in the first place. I always thought of them to represent Judas' Tormentors.
Little kown fact about that scene. Ted Neeley is doing the camera work.
Andy. |
I know why the tanks are there. Doesn't make them any less stupid.
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