faliah_dahn
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I'm thinking of quitting the show...I've posted a couple of times because I got Babette and was runner-up for Belle.
I've noticed that a lot of people seem to really like Babette, which sort of makes me feel better, but ... well, it's a long and complicated story, but basically I was owed a lead because of some slanderous rumors the former musical director spread about me to the school faculty, and now I feel betrayed by my high school's drama department.
I just am so bitter about being screwed over for the third year in a row! And the girl who got Belle is this total slut who usually doesn't even do the musicals -- everyone calls her the "Drama Queen" because she's gotten the leads in all the non-musicals since her freshman year.
So I'm just really angry at the directors (we have three, for music, drama, and the overall show) and, even though the kids are nice, I just know I'm going to be even MORE angry every night when the Drama Queen gets to sing all these songs, wear all these beautiful gowns, and get all the audience's attention, and I'll be the pathetic, stereotypical second banana.
To top it all off, I just found out the directors aren't letting any supporting characters understudy for the leads! Instead, they're going to assign the understudy for Belle to some chorus member! This drives me crazy, since I was second in line for that part to begin with, and if anyone should fill in for her, it should be me!
Does anyone have any advice?
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what_the_heck013
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Re: I'm thinking of quitting the show... | faliah_dahn wrote: | | but basically I was owed a lead because of some slanderous rumors the former musical director spread about me to the school faculty, |
Nobody is OWED anything. You have to EARN a role by working hard and being the best for the part.
| faliah_dahn wrote: | | To top it all off, I just found out the directors aren't letting any supporting characters understudy for the leads! Instead, they're going to assign the understudy for Belle to some chorus member! |
Almost NEVER is a lead/supporting role cast as an understudy, and for good reasons. I understand that Babette isn't the biggest role ever, but could you imagine having to memorize TWO sets of lines and TWO sets of songs? I have a hard enough time doig one. I remember when I had to understudy for our Emile DeBeque in South Pacific, they told me pretty much the day before, which gave me time to learn the songs, but I had to improvise all the lines. It was FRIGHTENING. One mistake, and it might not have ended too well.
Trust me, I understand how you feel. I think we've all been put in this position. All you can do is shine in the part you have. And let me tell you, you have the perfect role for that. How do you think second townsperson on the right feels? Nobody's even gonna' see her! So go out there and do your thang!
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MusicalGal1194
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DONT QUIT THE SHOW!!!
sorry for the yelling.
But listen to me. Babette is an amazing role. I was in pretty much the exact same position you are, and I got a role similar to Babette's. Quitting the show never crossed my mind, because I know this:
1. Babette is a fun, amazing, show-stealing role.
2. When you finally see the performance, you'll be sorry you quit.
3. The director is only going to not-like-you more if you quit.
and finally, WHO CARES?!?!!?? I dont care if you've been jilted for the lead, because you got cast as another role. Babette is AWESOME!! You get to tango, flirt like nobody's buisness, and just be a crazy, wacky, awesome character. I'm begging you not to quit. It'll be one of the worst mistakes you could make.
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TylerMcMahon
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Quitting the show will only harm you later.
You'll get a reputation that you quit shows just cause you didn't get the role you wanted. And no one wants to cast someone like that.
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stlgurl702
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Welcome to high school, where casting has nothing to do with talent.
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blue wind
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Do not quit. It will be a good experience if you do it, and if you quit now the directors will just get annoyed with you and that will lower the chances of you getting another good role in the future.
Just be grateful that you have the chance to perform and make the best of it that you can, because any experience on stage will help you develop as an actor, both onstage and off.
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BroadwayBaby0202
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| stlgurl702 wrote: | | Welcome to high school, where casting has nothing to do with talent. |
Thank you.
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frenchhorngirl
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i know you feel cheated, and i promise you ive been in your exact position, but just remember, if you truly did deserve that role, others will see it. your time will come. good things come to those who wait.
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ConverseSneaker
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| stlgurl702 wrote: | | Welcome to high school, where casting has nothing to do with talent. |
Or in my case, experience. 
Anyways....as others have pointed out, despite how you might feel about the casting, you are being a drama queen, and complaining about how you should be Belle or her understudy is doing more harm to yourself than helping your get what you want. Instead of rumors spreading, the truth will and guess who won't be offered any auditions?
Suck it up and make the best of it like me, I am right now accepting the fact I didn't get a role I want(or any role for that matter) because my director needed someone to depend on to guide and take charge for a chorus of jr. high kids.
Besides, by looking over your theatre credits in your signature, Annie, Dorothy, Wendy....Why would you say you've been 'screwed over for three years' if 3/5 of your roles have been leads? Sometimes, you will have to step back and take what's left because it's just not going to work out this time. Sure, maybe you are more talented, but why would this other girl have gotten the parts(not just Belle, but in other shows)? Maybe she had better chemisty with her fellow actors, or she is a very talented girl.
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what_the_heck013
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| stlgurl702 wrote: | | Welcome to high school, where casting has nothing to do with talent. |
amen.
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MusicalGal1194
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Re: I'm thinking of quitting the show... | Quote: | | And the girl who got Belle is this total slut who usually doesn't even do the musicals |
Do you honestly think that the directors care whether the ACTRESS playing Belle is a slut or not?
Didnt think so.
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faliah_dahn
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everyone seems to be all worried about my reputation. but this was the last show of my senior year. i'm graduating and going to an out-of-state school. i don't give a crap about what my high school drama teachers think.
all the good parts i have on my former parts list are from other schools or summer theatre programs.
for the past three years, i was called back for leads, but the musical director had a grudge against me because i never took his choir classes, so he told the people casting the show that i had nodes on my vocal chords. it was a patent lie that ruined my high school experience and put me into a clinical depression that i still have to treat with medication.
and i never said that the girl who got belle was untalented. it's just that she is a favorite of the head of the drama department because she dates one of the teacher's favorite students. (and, not to sound racist, but the girl is asian, and my school is big into giving special treatment to minorities.) i'm not saying that she is untalented -- she is just fine, despite being a little pitchy.
i'm sorry if i'm coming across as ungrateful. it's basically because i feel uncomfortable with cheesy flirty parts. just because i can pull them off does not mean they are rewarding for me -- they are not challenging, and are so stereotypical and cliche. i always feel like a big fake-y doofus.
does anyone have any other reasons for why i should stay in the show, besides what people will think of me?
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MusicalGal1194
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Yeah, actually, I do have some good reasons. You can put this show on your transcripts and such. It's experience. It's GOOD for you! Forget about what people think, this is a good thing. Honestly! Trust me when I say that you will be glad you did this. It's your last show (isn't that what you said?) so live it up!
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faliah_dahn
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Re: I'm thinking of quitting the show... | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | And the girl who got Belle is this total slut who usually doesn't even do the musicals |
Do you honestly think that the directors care whether the ACTRESS playing Belle is a slut or not? |
no, sadly, i don't think that that would bother them. it bothers me, however, which is why i mentioned it.
(probably shouldn't have, but i was taking advantage of the ability to anonymously vent my feelings about her. when i say she's a slut, i mean she has sex ... a lot ... which, considering she's like seventeen, i personally find distracting, as she is playing BELLE.)
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ilovebway
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I bet you half the girls in the ensemble would give an arm to be Babette. So just make the best of it, and do it.
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ilovebway
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Re: I'm thinking of quitting the show... | faliah_dahn wrote: | | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | And the girl who got Belle is this total slut who usually doesn't even do the musicals |
Do you honestly think that the directors care whether the ACTRESS playing Belle is a slut or not? |
no, sadly, i don't think that that would bother them. it bothers me, however, which is why i mentioned it.
(probably shouldn't have, but i was taking advantage of the ability to anonymously vent my feelings about her. when i say she's a slut, i mean she has sex ... a lot ... which, considering she's like seventeen, i personally find distracting, as she is playing BELLE.) |
How the hell do you know if she has had sex?
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faliah_dahn
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| ilovebway wrote: | | I bet you half the girls in the ensemble would give an arm to be Babette. So just make the best of it, and do it. |
thank you for not being a meany, ilovebway. i appreciate a non-condescending response.
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | | which, considering she's like seventeen, i personally find distracting, as she is playing BELLE.) |
She's an actress. This is what she does. Part of good acting is the ability to be something that you're not normally. You can't hold a person's personality against them in something like theater, unless it is something that would jeprodize the show (like pyromania or the tendency to destroy costumes and such...?) So I'm not really sure that this whole slut thing matters.
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faliah_dahn
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| Quote: | | She's an actress. ... You can't hold a person's personality against them in something like theater .... So I'm not really sure that this whole slut thing matters. |
IT DOESN'T MATTER. sheesh. i already said it only bothers me PERSONALLY.
i can think her behavior is annoying, can't i? i mean, that's allowed, right?
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | IT DOESN'T MATTER. sheesh. i already said it only bothers me PERSONALLY.
i can think her behavior is annoying, can't i? i mean, that's allowed, right? |
Don't make me the bad person here. You are absolutely intitled to your opinion. It just seems (to me! to me!) that you are trying to make it a point in your favor that this girl is promiscuous and shouldn't have the role. That's all. If it matters to you, personally, well then sorry! But you're going to have to deal. The director's choice is the director's choice.
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ilovebway
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | IT DOESN'T MATTER. sheesh. i already said it only bothers me PERSONALLY.
i can think her behavior is annoying, can't i? i mean, that's allowed, right? |
Don't make me the bad person here. You are absolutely intitled to your opinion. It just seems (to me! to me!) that you are trying to make it a point in your favor that this girl is promiscuous and shouldn't have the role. That's all. If it matters to you, personally, well then sorry! But you're going to have to deal. The director's choice is the director's choice. |
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | IT DOESN'T MATTER. sheesh. i already said it only bothers me PERSONALLY.
i can think her behavior is annoying, can't i? i mean, that's allowed, right? |
Don't make me the bad person here. You are absolutely intitled to your opinion. It just seems (to me! to me!) that you are trying to make it a point in your favor that this girl is promiscuous and shouldn't have the role. |
well, i wasn't. the only reason i said that about her was to emphasize how uncomfortable i feel being in the production right now.
it's not like i'm trying to prove to y'all that i'm the one-and-only belle. i don't even like the part that much.
to be honest, i kind of think this was a terrible play selection for my school, because there were nearly forty girls called back this year, and only one of them got belle. then the rest of us got mrs. potts, babette, the wardrobe or silly girls. or chorus. and they didn't even have enough boys to fill all the roles, so they asked boys who have already graduated to come back and play gaston, etc.
i think it's a crime on the part of the department. but our last few shows were "risky" and didn't sell enough tickets, and the department head is banking on selling out each show.
which is ANOTHER reason i feel like quitting, because i feel like this year ALL the girls were screwed over.
and, to top it all off, the director wants to "re-imagine" the setting, and put belle in a modern-day village so that the whole play is more "relevant." i mean, wtf?
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faliah_dahn
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| ilovebway wrote: | | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | IT DOESN'T MATTER. sheesh. i already said it only bothers me PERSONALLY.
i can think her behavior is annoying, can't i? i mean, that's allowed, right? |
Don't make me the bad person here. You are absolutely intitled to your opinion. It just seems (to me! to me!) that you are trying to make it a point in your favor that this girl is promiscuous and shouldn't have the role. That's all. If it matters to you, personally, well then sorry! But you're going to have to deal. The director's choice is the director's choice. |
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and how come you're being mean all of a sudden, bway? i liked you!
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ilovebway
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| faliah_dahn wrote: |
and, to top it all off, the director wants to "re-imagine" the setting, and put belle in a modern-day village so that the whole play is more "relevant." i mean, wtf? |
Woah. Is he even allowed to do that?
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Joshua
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| ilovebway wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: |
and, to top it all off, the director wants to "re-imagine" the setting, and put belle in a modern-day village so that the whole play is more "relevant." i mean, wtf? |
Woah. Is he even allowed to do that? |
Yeah he can change the set and whatever he wants that isn't the music or the book.
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faliah_dahn
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| ilovebway wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: |
and, to top it all off, the director wants to "re-imagine" the setting, and put belle in a modern-day village so that the whole play is more "relevant." i mean, wtf? |
Woah. Is he even allowed to do that? |
i believe he is under the impression that he can. i was sort of ... surprised. he kept talking about skateboards.
how do you think kids are gonna like gaston coming out on a freaking skateboard?! i'd be confused.
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ilovebway
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | ilovebway wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: |
and, to top it all off, the director wants to "re-imagine" the setting, and put belle in a modern-day village so that the whole play is more "relevant." i mean, wtf? |
Woah. Is he even allowed to do that? |
i believe he is under the impression that he can. i was sort of ... surprised. he kept talking about skateboards.
how do you think kids are gonna like gaston coming out on a freaking skateboard?! i'm a little alarmed, anyway. |
W T F
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Joshua
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | ilovebway wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: |
and, to top it all off, the director wants to "re-imagine" the setting, and put belle in a modern-day village so that the whole play is more "relevant." i mean, wtf? |
Woah. Is he even allowed to do that? |
i believe he is under the impression that he can. i was sort of ... surprised. he kept talking about skateboards.
how do you think kids are gonna like gaston coming out on a freaking skateboard?! i'm a little alarmed, anyway. |
He can. But tell him to watch Romeo + Juliet .
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | i don't even like the part that much.
forty girls called back this year, and only one of them got belle. |
If you don't like the part that much, then stop complaining.
And HELLO! that's kinda the way things work. Not to be cruel, but what did you expect? 40 girls got called back because they wanted to see their options. and OBVIOUSLY only one will get Belle. Unless they double cast, which doesn't seem like the issue.
I think you may be being a little sensitive, which i understand because I went through the same thing when I didnt get the part of Belle. BUT! you, and one point, have to move on. Babette is an amazing part, it seems as though you've had success in parts before, just enjoy it!
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DontDoSadnessxx
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I thought that understudies are usually given out to people in the ensemble because they have something to learn from the people who got the actual part.
My best friend was a bit of a diva for the show my high school is doing and dropped out because she thought it was a cruel "punishment" to give her both and understudy for reno and hope and nothing else. She didnt have that great of a reason to drop out.
You have a part. I pretty damn good part. If you drop out, you'll regret it later on, as I think Tyler said before, it will ruin your rep.
Just stick it out. If you love being on the stage, the you play the part so well they won't remember who the hell Belle is lol.
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | i don't even like the part that much.
forty girls called back this year, and only one of them got belle. |
If you don't like the part that much, then stop complaining.
And HELLO! that's kinda the way things work. Not to be cruel, but what did you expect? 40 girls got called back because they wanted to see their options. and OBVIOUSLY only one will get Belle. Unless they double cast, which doesn't seem like the issue.
I think you may be being a little sensitive, which i understand because I went through the same thing when I didnt get the part of Belle. BUT! you, and one point, have to move on. Babette is an amazing part, it seems as though you've had success in parts before, just enjoy it! |
you make me sound idiotic. for a high school production, i thought the numbers were just a little -- just a tad -- slanted. only eight boys were called back. actually, they were recruited and just showed up for callbacks.
the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes.
which can be fine, in many, many situations. however, i think the whole "let's-get-boys-who-don't-even-go-to-this-school-to-play-leads-in-the-school-production" thing is just a little -- just a tad -- sexist and unfair to the scores of talented girls who are looking to get a fair shot to show off their talent in their public school's theatre.
but i guess that's just me? oh, well.
p.s. why are you being so bossy?
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | | I thought that understudies are usually given out to people in the ensemble because they have something to learn from the people who got the actual part. |
Bravo! That is so true!
| Quote: | | Just stick it out. If you love being on the stage, the you play the part so well they won't remember who the hell Belle is lol. |
Very true. Everyone in our show LOVED Babette! And also, it doesnt quite seem like your heart is in it. It should be. This part is amazing, and quitting because you got cast as Babette and not Belle is simply a disservice to the role.
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ilovebway
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | i think the whole "let's-get-boys-who-don't-even-go-to-this-school-to-play-leads-in-the-school-production" thing is just a little -- just a tad -- sexist and unfair to the scores of talented girls who are looking to get a fair shot to show off their talent in their public school's theatre. |
So you're saying your director should've cast females in male roles?
A female Beast? A female Gaston? No, please.
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | | the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes. |
I take a lot of offense to that. The featherdusters are ABSOLUTELY substantive roles-talk to LumBabsFan, she'll show you why. All of the characters you just listed have depth-true depth. Madame: once was a star, and because of a spell was turned into a nobody. She's hurt, a little depressed, but just wants to regain her fame. Babette: no where near as flirty as the Silly Girls. She's sophisticated. She loves Lumiere, but he is, as they say, a player. She knows how to work him and is proud of it. Silly Girls: while these may seem like stereotypes, they really aren't. they truely are head over heels for Gaston and would do anything for him. And, i'm sure, if you really thought about it, they have depth.
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mastachen
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| faliah_dahn wrote: |
(and, not to sound racist, but the girl is asian, and my school is big into giving special treatment to minorities.) |
Most people, while not meaning to sound racist, still do.
Thus, its best these types of comments are avoided.
Kthxbii.
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ilovebway
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| mastachen wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: |
(and, not to sound racist, but the girl is asian, and my school is big into giving special treatment to minorities.) |
Most people, while not meaning to sound racist, still do.
Thus, its best these types of comments are avoided.
Kthxbii. |
My exact thoughts.
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faliah_dahn
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| ilovebway wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: | | i think the whole "let's-get-boys-who-don't-even-go-to-this-school-to-play-leads-in-the-school-production" thing is just a little -- just a tad -- sexist and unfair to the scores of talented girls who are looking to get a fair shot to show off their talent in their public school's theatre. |
So you're saying your director should've cast females in male roles?
A female Beast? A female Gaston? No, please. |
Nope. Not what I was saying at all.
I guess this is sort of confusing, because my school does auditions differently than most schools. They hold auditions first -- nobody knows what show they're auditioning for -- and then the directors "select" a show that suits that year's talent pool.
In theory, anyway. As I said, selecting this play really doesn't suit the talent pool, as they had to scrounge up boys to fill the male parts.
There are so many other plays that would have featured our girls better.
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | mastachen wrote:
faliah_dahn wrote:
(and, not to sound racist, but the girl is asian, and my school is big into giving special treatment to minorities.)
Most people, while not meaning to sound racist, still do.
Thus, its best these types of comments are avoided.
Kthxbii.
My exact thoughts. |
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ilovebway
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | ilovebway wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: | | i think the whole "let's-get-boys-who-don't-even-go-to-this-school-to-play-leads-in-the-school-production" thing is just a little -- just a tad -- sexist and unfair to the scores of talented girls who are looking to get a fair shot to show off their talent in their public school's theatre. |
So you're saying your director should've cast females in male roles?
A female Beast? A female Gaston? No, please. |
Nope. Not what I was saying at all.
I guess this is sort of confusing, because my school does auditions differently than most schools. They hold auditions first -- nobody knows what show they're auditioning for -- and then the directors "select" a show that suits that year's talent pool.
In theory, anyway. As I said, selecting this play really doesn't suit the talent pool, as they had to scrounge up boys to fill the male parts.
There are so many other plays that would have featured our girls better. |
Thanks for the clarification.
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Joshua
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | i don't even like the part that much.
forty girls called back this year, and only one of them got belle. |
If you don't like the part that much, then stop complaining.
And HELLO! that's kinda the way things work. Not to be cruel, but what did you expect? 40 girls got called back because they wanted to see their options. and OBVIOUSLY only one will get Belle. Unless they double cast, which doesn't seem like the issue.
I think you may be being a little sensitive, which i understand because I went through the same thing when I didnt get the part of Belle. BUT! you, and one point, have to move on. Babette is an amazing part, it seems as though you've had success in parts before, just enjoy it! |
you make me sound idiotic. for a high school production, i thought the numbers were just a little -- just a tad -- slanted. only eight boys were called back. actually, they were recruited and just showed up for callbacks.
the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes.
which can be fine, in many, many situations. however, i think the whole "let's-get-boys-who-don't-even-go-to-this-school-to-play-leads-in-the-school-production" thing is just a little -- just a tad -- sexist and unfair to the scores of talented girls who are looking to get a fair shot to show off their talent in their public school's theatre.
but i guess that's just me? oh, well.
p.s. why are you being so bossy? |
Umm, you keep changing the subject. This whole rant was about how you thought that you deserved the role and that some slut got cast over you. Apparently, she was better, slut or not a slut. Next, you said how you don't even like the role you just don't like who was cast. Then you said you don't like the show. Now you're saying how you're upset about how they're casting past seniors as parts because there wasn't enough people. That's a bit irrelevant. Stop making up excuses for yourself. You said stupid things. No one was rude. People were giving you advise and you were being super sensitive. No one's being bossy. You're not making any sense.
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | | There are so many other plays that would have featured our girls better. |
I'm sure you would think so.
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes. |
I take a lot of offense to that. All of the characters you just listed have depth-true depth. ... i'm sure, if you really thought about it, they have depth. |
i'm glad you think this. our director doesn't. he said everyone but belle is a cartoon and he wants them played as such.
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | | No one's being bossy |
Joshua, have i told you lately that i love you?
lol
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MusicalGal1194
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| Quote: | MusicalGal1194 wrote:
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the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes.
I take a lot of offense to that. All of the characters you just listed have depth-true depth. ... i'm sure, if you really thought about it, they have depth.
i'm glad you think this. our director doesn't. he said everyone but belle is a cartoon and he wants them played as such. |
I'm sorry, but you are making NO SENSE! You JUST SAID that YOU thought that all of those roles are sterotypes, and then the SECOND i place my opinion, you say its all your director's idea.
Please get your story straight before you speak.
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | There are so many other plays that would have featured our girls better. |
I'm sure you would think so. |
whatever that means.
what, exactly, do you find so offensive about me that you must constantly one-up me with snarky comments?
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mastachen
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes. |
I take a lot of offense to that. All of the characters you just listed have depth-true depth. ... i'm sure, if you really thought about it, they have depth. |
i'm glad you think this. our director doesn't. he said everyone but belle is a cartoon and he wants them played as such. |
You're already given the role.
Take it and prove him wrong.
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Joshua
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Joshua wrote: | | No one's being bossy |
Joshua, have i told you lately that i love you?
lol |
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | MusicalGal1194 wrote:
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the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes.
I take a lot of offense to that. All of the characters you just listed have depth-true depth. ... i'm sure, if you really thought about it, they have depth.
i'm glad you think this. our director doesn't. he said everyone but belle is a cartoon and he wants them played as such. |
I'm sorry, but you are making NO SENSE! You JUST SAID that YOU thought that all of those roles are sterotypes, and then the SECOND i place my opinion, you say its all your director's idea.
Please get your story straight before you speak. |
what?
(again with the snarkiness.)
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | There are so many other plays that would have featured our girls better. |
I'm sure you would think so. |
whatever that means.
what, exactly, do you find so offensive about me that you must constantly one-up me with snarky comments? |
A bit on the hypocritical side if you ask me. (not that anyone did, so don't go there.)
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| Quote: | | what, exactly, do you find so offensive about me that you must constantly one-up me with snarky comments? |
I find it offensive that you are all upset about not getting a role that you appearantly don't even like, in a show you hate, with directors you don't like, and insist on complaining to us. And snarky is kinda my lifestyle. Sorry. Oh, wait, no-I'm not sorry.
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| faliah_dahn wrote: | | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | MusicalGal1194 wrote:
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the fact is, belle is really the only substantive role in the piece for a female. i see you played a featherduster. i'm guessing you enjoyed it. good for you. but the featherdusters -- and Madame, and the Silly Girls -- are not substantive roles. they are stereotypes.
I take a lot of offense to that. All of the characters you just listed have depth-true depth. ... i'm sure, if you really thought about it, they have depth.
i'm glad you think this. our director doesn't. he said everyone but belle is a cartoon and he wants them played as such. |
I'm sorry, but you are making NO SENSE! You JUST SAID that YOU thought that all of those roles are sterotypes, and then the SECOND i place my opinion, you say its all your director's idea.
Please get your story straight before you speak. |
what?
(again with the snarkiness.) |
While musicalgal had some snarky posts, this last one doesn't seem snarky at all.
You seem to be fairly new here so if you do get acquainted in a lot of the other forums, you better develop a thicker skin.
Complaining about getting a role is something I rarely enjoy hearing. I've auditioned a couple of times for roles back in high school and never once even got a callback. (Joshua might be able to attest to why LOL) Consider yourself blessed that you're in the show.
I'm personally still somewhat offended by your Asian comment. Maybe you should file a complaint for reverse discrimination.
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While musicalgal had some snarky posts, this last one doesn't seem snarky at all. |
Thank you!!!
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| Quote: | | A bit on the hypocritical side if you ask me |
I would agree.
Also, in reference to my "snarkiness"-take a look at Joshua's siggie.
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Re: I'm thinking of quitting the show...Original post:
| faliah_dahn wrote: | | I've noticed that a lot of people seem to really like Babette, which sort of makes me feel better, but ... well, it's a long and complicated story, but basically I was owed a lead [I have since explained this] because of some slanderous rumors the former musical director spread about me to the school faculty, and now I feel betrayed by my high school's drama department. |
I originally stated that the story was convoluted and complicated, so please stop accusing me of changing the subject, etc. when all I did was elaborate on my original post.
| Quote: | | I just am so bitter about being screwed over for the third year in a row! And the girl who got Belle is this total slut who usually doesn't even do the musicals .... |
You all seem so ready to jump down my throat for not liking this part. I say, good for you that you like it. Why not just tell me you think so in a non-offensive manner?
| Quote: | | To top it all off, I just found out the directors aren't letting any supporting characters understudy for the leads! ... This drives me crazy, since I was second in line for that part to begin with, and if anyone should fill in for her, it should be me! |
Lots of "me, me, me" in there. Sorry. I was upset. But, considering the limited opportunity for girls to really "perform" in this particular show, you might be able to -- if you really tried to consider it for a moment -- understand why I'd be upset. I'm still sort of shocked they didn't double-cast the girls. I've been double-cast in a lead before (somewhere else) and it was really not so bad.
| Quote: | | Does anyone have any advice? |
See, all I asked for was advice. I didn't ask for y'all to beat me over the head with how immature I was being. Again, I was upset. I came here to share. But you all don't seem very interested in comforting anyone.
I get how my complaining that I didn't get the lead when I got the third-biggest part for a girl might seem ungrateful, and normally, I wouldn't complain -- in fact, for the past three years, I haven't complained. This really was sort of a last straw for me, though.
** Peace **
~ Faliah
BTW: Man, sorry I even mentioned the Asian thing. I'm on a roll for sticking my foot in mouth today. It's not even a big deal to me. I mention a lot of stuff in passing. It's the way I am. Sorry if it seems like I'm always "changing the subject."
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i think this whole thing is kind of ridiculous.
Theres always going to be shows you wont like
Theres always going to be parts you're not happy you got.
Theres always going to be directors that do things different.
its freakin show business.
I think you should be very grateful for the part you got. Im also sure that there are underclassmen willing to take your role with open arms and no objections.
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I'm just going to add my two cents to the original post.
First of all, high school theatre is ridiculous. It's all politics. Pay no attention to what roles you get in HS because they rarely reflect any future roles you will play outside of school. Also - never complain about the part you get because it will only come back to haunt you. Just enjoy the role you got. It is what you make of it.
Second of all, Babette is a GREAT part! Play it up and the audience will love it!
Best of luck with the show.
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | A bit on the hypocritical side if you ask me |
I would agree.
Also, in reference to my "snarkiness"-take a look at Joshua's siggie. |
Oh, so you were trying to be witty? It just came across as bossy and belligerent.
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faliah_dahn
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| BroadwayBaby0202 wrote: | I'm just going to add my two cents to the original post.
First of all, high school theatre is ridiculous. It's all politics. Pay no attention to what roles you get in HS because they rarely reflect any future roles you will play outside of school. Also - never complain about the part you get because it will only come back to haunt you. Just enjoy the role you got. It is what you make of it.
Second of all, Babette is a GREAT part! Play it up and the audience will love it!
Best of luck with the show. |
Thank you. I appreciate the advice and overall tone of the post.
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MusicalGal1194
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Look Faliah, you said you wanted advice and we're giving it to you.
The advice we've got is:
Don't be so sensitive.
Love the part that you have.
And don't blame stuff on other people.
We are happy to have you as an addition to the Beauty and the Beast family. But we just want you to know that being argumentative when asking the nice thespian who frequent this board for advice. We want to help, but....at time we can get mean. And I know that I, at least, am sorry for that.
Sorry if we hurt your feelings. Growing tougher skin is a lesson I had to learn, too. Hopefully, you are going to college for the theater arts, and will be given more opportunities.
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| DontDoSadnessxx wrote: | i think this whole thing is kind of ridiculous.
Theres always going to be shows you wont like
Theres always going to be parts you're not happy you got.
Theres always going to be directors that do things different.
its freakin show business.
I think you should be very grateful for the part you got. Im also sure that there are underclassmen willing to take your role with open arms and no objections. |
Thank you. I appreciate the advice and the tone of the post.
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And hey, I'm not trying to be bossy. I actually cannot see where you got "bossy" out of my posts. It's YOUR choice, and your choice alone, whether or not you take my advice. So sorry if you thought I was being "bossy." 
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | Look Faliah, you said you wanted advice and we're giving it to you.
The advice we've got is:
Don't be so sensitive.
Love the part that you have.
And don't blame stuff on other people.
We are happy to have you as an addition to the Beauty and the Beast family. But we just want you to know that being argumentative when asking the nice thespian who frequent this board for advice. We want to help, but....at time we can get mean. And I know that I, at least, am sorry for that.
Sorry if we hurt your feelings. Growing tougher skin is a lesson I had to learn, too. Hopefully, you are going to college for the theater arts, and will be given more opportunities. |
Thank you. I'm sorry if I got snarky in response to perceived condescension. Peace and God bless.
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I'm unsure about if that was sarcasm or not. But if it's not your welcome. If it was... i wasn't trying to be offensive. Just real.
Good Luck with your choice.
I hope it works out!
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faliah_dahn
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| DontDoSadnessxx wrote: | I'm unsure about if that was sarcasm or not. But if it's not your welcome. If it was... i wasn't trying to be offensive. Just real.
Good Luck with your choice.
I hope it works out! |
Not sarcasm. I really did appreciate it. All I wanted were decent responses that didn't target my current state of unhappiness. You did that, so ... thank you.
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| Quote: | | Thank you. I'm sorry if I got snarky in response to perceived condescension. Peace and God bless. |
Not sure if that was sarcasm, but if it wasn't- I truely appreciate your response. In this time of thankfullness and celebration (as we all celebrate one holiday or another, whether it be Christmas, Hannukah, Kwannza, or whatever) I really dislike having to get "snarky" with people. Peace is what i wish for. So, I gave my two cents in my own words, my own tone, and if people dont like it, so be it. But all in all I want the same as everyone: for you to get good advice that will help you in your theatrical travels, to NOT make anyone severly upset, and to let everyone have a very merry christmas.
So, in short, Thank you.
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faliah_dahn
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | Quote: | | Thank you. I'm sorry if I got snarky in response to perceived condescension. Peace and God bless. |
Not sure if that was sarcasm, but if it wasn't- I truely appreciate your response. In this time of thankfullness and celebration (as we all celebrate one holiday or another, whether it be Christmas, Hannukah, Kwannza, or whatever) I really dislike having to get "snarky" with people. Peace is what i wish for. So, I gave my two cents in my own words, my own tone, and if people dont like it, so be it. But all in all I want the same as everyone: for you to get good advice that will help you in your theatrical travels, to NOT make anyone severly upset, and to let everyone have a very merry christmas.
So, in short, Thank you. |
Not sarcasm. I added you as a friend. You can block me or whatever, if you want. Not sure how this site works.
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LOL no i wouldnt block you!! I enjoy meeting new people on this site, whether the circumstances be less-than cheerful or not. Welcome to the Beauty and the Beast family!
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Oh and by the way be sure to let us know if you decide to quit or not.
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mastachen
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I didn't know people actually added other people as friends. I've got people's sn and such over AIM but never got added as an MdN friend.
I thought that was just a useless button. lol
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faliah_dahn
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Hahaha ... kk thanks. After hearing y'all out, I am seriously doubting I'll have the pluck to quit now. lol ~ I've been talked out of it.  )
Musicalgal: Can I get your opinion on the costume for Babette?
It's really weird. All purple and plastic. I could post pics so you can give me your brutally honest opinion.
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faliah_dahn
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What do you think of the costume?This is the costume for Babette that the director is thinking about renting. I don't think it'd even fit me. Plus, it really doesn't look very French maid-y to me.
But let me know what you think.
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Thanks!
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ConverseSneaker
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That looks more Mayzie La Bird than Babette.
You know since this arguement is over, I'm just going move to a different thread before I say something and start the fighting back up.
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MusicalGal1194
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Huh. Well, the costume is certainly different, that's for sure. However, I kinda like it! It's different, not like the usual french-maid-plus-feathers-up-the-wazoo type of outfit. Yeah, I think it could work! I actually think its pretty and will make you memorable.
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Thanks, musicalgal!
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Oh Lord, that is certainly...interesting, the costume, but believe you me, I've seen worse. The things my poor Babsela goes through.
faliah, I just want to say that I've read the whole thread, and in the end, I'm glad to see that you're not quitting the show...or so I'm understanding. It's late, and please correct me if I'm wrong. =)
Unfortunately, like most said, this is high school theater, which should never be taken seriously. I remember it all. I loved theater, I think I have at least a decent voice, and I was never cast in anything. My brother who wants to be in theater was a wreck during his audition for Teen Angel in Grease. But he was one of the best singers going for it, got an applause when the teachers told us not to. Who did it go to? A senior who couldn't sing for s***. The reason? He was a senior and my brother was a freshman. It's a huge joke and should never be taken seriously.
HOWEVER, you have a role that is near and dear to more people than you know. She may not be a HUGE part, but it's still a character, a character that you have to make your own. For some support, I give you a quote that a fellow fanfic writer once said in a story:
| Quote: | | "Everyone has a story. No one's just a background, a sidekick, a piece of furniture in someone else's castle of life. It's just sometimes we don't look too closely, we don't try hard enough to see it. One can miss a lot by doing so, because the most precious things are difficult to see." ~ May Wormwood's A Test of Time. |
It is a hardcore fact, I am an eyewitness, that the servants often get more love and attention than Belle and the Beast. If the people playing them put their all and their best into it. I'll be perfectly honest with you: Every character in the show could totally suck, to put it bluntly. But if Lumiere and Babette are played with love and care, I'm happy. =) Yes I'm a little biased, but nonetheless, as a hardcore fan, I expect nothing less...ok that sounds harsh, but hopefully you know what I mean. There ARE people out there who love these characters and no matter who plays them, they want the best.
So my advice, even if it is late: don't listen to your director entirely, please please PLEASE. Play your character with heart and fun and everything that she can be. Encourage your Lumi to do so as well because I swear to God, ask anyone here and believe it, that you can show how well you say you can handle the stage even in a small part like this. Everyone has a story. Everyone has a purpose for being. Show them what Babette's is, and people WILL respond.
If you want some advice, I'll give ya my "study guide." LOL But please just promise me, from fan/"actress with a keyboard" (as a writer) to actress, make this role all that you can. Make us proud!
All my best and finest wishes of leg-breaking 
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I know that the argument's over... but I missed it, so I'm going to get a little catty now.
Honey, If you can't handle it, go do theatre elsewhere. I was basically flat out told that I will NEVER make a high school show. (I'm currently a freshman). This also has to do with directors spreading rumors. (What she calls "Doing her Job")
Do you want to know what I did?
I do professional theatre.
Problem Solved.
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faliah_dahn
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| LumBabsFan wrote: | Oh Lord, that is certainly...interesting, the costume, but believe you me, I've seen worse. The things my poor Babsela goes through.
faliah, I just want to say that I've read the whole thread, and in the end, I'm glad to see that you're not quitting the show...or so I'm understanding. It's late, and please correct me if I'm wrong. =)
... just promise me, from fan/"actress with a keyboard" (as a writer) to actress, make this role all that you can. Make us proud!
All my best and finest wishes of leg-breaking |
You are a very, very nice person! lol ~ thanks for your patience. Sorry you had to read the whole thread. Not my best behavior.
Anyway ... I would be honored to read your study guide.
I read a lot of posts on this particular forum while prepping for my callbacks, and I respect everything you've written (that I've seen)! I'm, like, a fan of yours!
So, yes, I'd love to see that "guide." But maybe in a different thread, as I'm getting increasingly ashamed of this one.
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I just want to make a clear statement that if I ever become a high school theatre director....Seniority will go out the window!
I have always been person that has had this mind set that talents should get the role.
I've been cast in too many shows and seen the lead roles go to untalented horrifying singers/actors/actresses when there were clearly better people to fill the role. (and of the 3 main instantances I'm thinking I was not going for the roles so I'm not being bitter or anything.)
TALENT should always get the role over Popularity and/or seniority!!!!
I know some of you are thinking "He's crazy!!!" or "He must not love America!!" or "What was the name of that porn site I went to the other day??" or "He must be a damned communist!!!!"
but hey it's how I've always felt.
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| Quote: | | "He must be a damned communist!!!!" |
Lmao. No, i actually agree with you!
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thanks but i bet you were thinking of the 3rd thing i said. I've heard rumors 
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| TylerMcMahon wrote: | I just want to make a clear statement that if I ever become a high school theatre director....Seniority will go out the window!
I have always been person that has had this mind set that talents should get the role.
I've been cast in too many shows and seen the lead roles go to untalented horrifying singers/actors/actresses when there were clearly better people to fill the role. (and of the 3 main instantances I'm thinking I was not going for the roles so I'm not being bitter or anything.)
TALENT should always get the role over Popularity and/or seniority!!!!
I know some of you are thinking "He's crazy!!!" or "He must not love America!!" or "What was the name of that porn site I went to the other day??" or "He must be a damned communist!!!!"
but hey it's how I've always felt. |
I totally agree. Some of the people cast in our cast this year...*shudder* Our director didn't think about characterization or voice type at all. Her favorites and the seniors got the roles. Period.
And I adored that last paragraph. Golden.
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| Quote: | | thanks but i bet you were thinking of the 3rd thing i said. I've heard rumors |
Oh, jeez. Smack that image right out of my head...
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allygator
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faliah_dahn- I'm going to swing the opposite direction with advice on this one.
First of all, I have never quit a show. I don't advocate it-- I believe in sticking with the part you've got. Every show is a growing experience.
That said, almost every show that I've ever been in has had someone who didn't get a lead and thinks they should have. They're always talking about how they deserved something better, and are constantly criticizing the person who did get the lead.
It sounds like you're really unhappy with the production, and that's understandable. The rumors that the music director spread about you would be really difficult to deal with, and it sounds like you're not really happy with your director, either.
If you are already bitter toward the production, and feel that you will remain so, quit. You've already said that there will be no repercussions for it. It seems like you're incredibly frustrated with the show, and if you don't think you can work through it, quit. From the numbers you've mentioned, I'm sure someone else would be overjoyed to receive the role.
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MissMusic
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Just think, it could be worse.
You could be a napkin.
JK JK JK.
I'm uber excited about being a swing character.
In a cast of 27 (yes, 27!) I was very lucky to even get in.
We had 86 people try out, 27 making it. Only three freshmen. Yeah, I'm one of those three. I love dancing, so I'm excited to tango with plates and to the can can. Since we have a small cast, I'm also a villager in the beginning, and probably in the angry mob too.
The reason our cast is small is that large casts get out of control and it turns out bad.
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| allygator wrote: | faliah_dahn- I'm going to swing the opposite direction with advice on this one. ...
...Every show is a growing experience.
That said, almost every show that I've ever been in has had someone who didn't get a lead and thinks they should have. They're always talking about how they deserved something better, and are constantly criticizing the person who did get the lead.
It sounds like you're really unhappy with the production, and that's understandable. The rumors that the music director spread about you would be really difficult to deal with, and it sounds like you're not really happy with your director, either.
If you are already bitter toward the production, and feel that you will remain so, quit. You've already said that there will be no repercussions for it. It seems like you're incredibly frustrated with the show, and if you don't think you can work through it, quit. From the numbers you've mentioned, I'm sure someone else would be overjoyed to receive the role. |
This is pretty much exactly what I was going to say, that is, until I read through the entire thread. It's easy to get lost in the negative when casting decisions are first announced. I completely understand the need to trash the lead and let off steam.
However, if you truly have creative differences and the director really is immature enough to be spreading rumors about you, then yes you should walk away and just say that your heart's not in it right now. There is nothing wrong with walking away before rehearsals get underway, if you truly won't have a good time in the end. I've done it before. If I know that at rehearsals and showtime I won't be giving 100% to the role I walk away and let somebody who really wants it have it. It's not fair to the rest of the cast to half-a$$ a role. I don't want to pay to see somebody who doesn't give a crap about their role walk through it. Why would I do that to somebody else?
I think that if you forget about all of the negative crap and let yourself have fun, you can enjoy this role. The director may be an idiot with a poor vision, but as Lumbabsfan said you can play it with heart. It's your role. As my husband always says, "The director can't make you do something during the run of the show. What are they going to do, fire you?" I never follow that advice (neither does he), and he's mostly joking, but believe me there are times when we really want to!
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Re: I'm thinking of quitting the show... | faliah_dahn wrote: | I've posted a couple of times because I got Babette and was runner-up for Belle.
I've noticed that a lot of people seem to really like Babette, which sort of makes me feel better, but ... well, it's a long and complicated story, but basically I was owed a lead because of some slanderous rumors the former musical director spread about me to the school faculty, and now I feel betrayed by my high school's drama department.
I just am so bitter about being screwed over for the third year in a row! And the girl who got Belle is this total slut who usually doesn't even do the musicals -- everyone calls her the "Drama Queen" because she's gotten the leads in all the non-musicals since her freshman year.
So I'm just really angry at the directors (we have three, for music, drama, and the overall show) and, even though the kids are nice, I just know I'm going to be even MORE angry every night when the Drama Queen gets to sing all these songs, wear all these beautiful gowns, and get all the audience's attention, and I'll be the pathetic, stereotypical second banana.
To top it all off, I just found out the directors aren't letting any supporting characters understudy for the leads! Instead, they're going to assign the understudy for Belle to some chorus member! This drives me crazy, since I was second in line for that part to begin with, and if anyone should fill in for her, it should be me!
Does anyone have any advice? |
Hmmm I really don't know what to think about this. BUt what makes you think you got screwed over? I guess it would be tough to say if you did since we havn't seen your specific audtitions.
Not to mention what the hell is wrong with being "Second Banana"? Getting the second best female role in the show shouldn't get you miffed.
Theatre isn't about who is the best anyway. Its about who is right for the role. Theatre isn't a competition witht he winner getting the lead. Just because there is a lead role in a show it doesn't mean it takes a ton of talent to pull it off.
My Personal thought about belle is that you could do the role in your sleep. All You need for Belle is a little stage presence, pretty voice, and minimal acting ability. I think PLaying Babatte effectively is much more difficult. She is someone who requires timing, attitude, dancing ability. It is the same for guys in this show. It takes nothing to act the beast compared to Lefou, Lumierre, cogsworth, and Gaston. Personally I put my best actors in the charactor roles. Belle Doesn't make this show. I think its the ensemble around her.
If you are the "best" actor in your school then I think you were put in the right place.
I appologise if I come off as mean. Not my intention.
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Re: I'm thinking of quitting the show... | DaddyDiesel wrote: | | faliah_dahn wrote: | I've posted a couple of times because I got Babette and was runner-up for Belle.
I've noticed that a lot of people seem to really like Babette, which sort of makes me feel better, but ... well, it's a long and complicated story, but basically I was owed a lead because of some slanderous rumors the former musical director spread about me to the school faculty, and now I feel betrayed by my high school's drama department.
I just am so bitter about being screwed over for the third year in a row! And the girl who got Belle is this total slut who usually doesn't even do the musicals -- everyone calls her the "Drama Queen" because she's gotten the leads in all the non-musicals since her freshman year.
So I'm just really angry at the directors (we have three, for music, drama, and the overall show) and, even though the kids are nice, I just know I'm going to be even MORE angry every night when the Drama Queen gets to sing all these songs, wear all these beautiful gowns, and get all the audience's attention, and I'll be the pathetic, stereotypical second banana.
To top it all off, I just found out the directors aren't letting any supporting characters understudy for the leads! Instead, they're going to assign the understudy for Belle to some chorus member! This drives me crazy, since I was second in line for that part to begin with, and if anyone should fill in for her, it should be me!
Does anyone have any advice? |
Hmmm I really don't know what to think about this. BUt what makes you think you got screwed over? I guess it would be tough to say if you did since we havn't seen your specific audtitions.
Not to mention what the hell is wrong with being "Second Banana"? Getting the second best female role in the show shouldn't get you miffed.
Theatre isn't about who is the best anyway. Its about who is right for the role. Theatre isn't a competition witht he winner getting the lead. Just because there is a lead role in a show it doesn't mean it takes a ton of talent to pull it off.
My Personal thought about belle is that you could do the role in your sleep. All You need for Belle is a little stage presence, pretty voice, and minimal acting ability. I think PLaying Babatte effectively is much more difficult. She is someone who requires timing, attitude, dancing ability. It is the same for guys in this show. It takes nothing to act the beast compared to Lefou, Lumierre, cogsworth, and Gaston. Personally I put my best actors in the charactor roles. Belle Doesn't make this show. I think its the ensemble around her.
If you are the "best" actor in your school then I think you were put in the right place.
I appologise if I come off as mean. Not my intention. |
I second this...Also...Babette has good stuff to work with and can honestly steal the show, if played right.
If you are planning to pursue theatre as a career, please listen to me when I say that you get "screwed over" a MILLION TIMES WORSE in the professional world than in the educational theatre world. It's all in how you handle it and your attitude.
Make lemonade out of lemons and it will come back to you 20-fold! If she's really crappy, the audience will know. And if you make the most of your role, people will notice! I PROMISE!!!!!!!
You have to truly embrace and appreciate your role first, though...before you can fully make the most of it. I think you'll learn a ton! 
In the meantime, make sure you continue to take your classes and do what you can to improve yourself, as that's all you have control over in the first place! YOU control YOUR talent and training!
Break a leg!!!!!!!
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MademoiselleMusicalsDeux
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Hun.
Firstly I want to say that it's a shame you didn't get the part of Belle.
SecondlyI know what you are going through... (if you want to chat offboards then PM me)IT IS irritating when someone gets a role you want yet they don't deserve it. Sadly...that's showbiz kid! I still have 6 pages of this thread to read but seriously...
DO THE SHOW! =]
I would KILL to be in a production of Beauty and the Beast whether it's Belle or Babette or a Silly Girl or even the Ensemble. Experience is experience. If this girl is truly awful believe me it will come across to the audience on the night.
Please don't think anyone on the forums are deliberately trying to make you feel small or anything like that - the general feel I'm getting from this discussion is that people overall think you should do the show! (Us overdramatic thespians! )
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star2ballie
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babette07
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SorryI totally understand what you mean. However, you will just piss your directors off if you quit. I made Babette with a good shot at Belle too and honestly, Babette commands the stage when she wants to. Let yourself be brighter than Belle and make Babette a prominent character.
good luck :]
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Tumnus1031
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Well, I can say I sympathize with you.
Last year, I was doing the middle school play, and as an 8th grader, I was a shoe-in for the lead. We were doing The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, and everyone was positive I'd be Peter. But when I got my callback, I was being called back for Mr. Tumnus, the faun. Needless to say, my stupidity got the better of me and I auditioned badly on purposed, convinced if I did badly as Tumnus, the director would cast me as someone else.
And he did. I got Father Christmas. I promise I thought the same things as you did, but then the guy who got Tumnus quit (he auditioned as a joke anyway) and I was offered Tumnus. I took it, and I probably had more fun in that show than any other show I'd done. Tumnus was a great role, everyone said that I stole the show, and I won the Middle School Drama Award for it. In fact, people still call me Tumnus to this day (one guy won't call me by my real name).
So, boring reminiscing aside, I can guarantee you that sometimes supporting roles are much more interesting and memorable than the leads. Leads are usually much flatter, I've found. Like Oliver to the Artful Dodger, the Pevensies to Tumnus, and in this case, Belle to Babette. Now I'm not bashing Belle by any means, but I'm sure you can steal the show if you play Babette with enough personality. So break a leg and tell us how it goes!
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eXcessDrama
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Oh goodness, sorry to continue the preaching but I have to.
Don't quite a show. Back when I did Beauty and the Beast we had 9 people who quite because they didn't get the leads. It was awful, we had to get 3 replacement called in. but of course, it all pulled together and was the most amazing show the company has done, all 16 performances sold out.
And those people who quit? They regret it.
Just have fun with your part, Babette is one of the funnest characters in the show. Ham it up and not only will you have a great time, bt the audience will love you. And if the girl playing Belle is cocky or whatnot? Who cares. You can show that you are the bigger person by not caring and just puuting your all into your part.
oh and P.S. I think the costume is kinda cute.
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wom
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BabetteI am directing a high school BATB right now. I love my Babette. She is so great. It's not that she isn't talented enough to be Belle. She is just perfect as Babette. I smile every time she comes on stage. If I found out she was complaining about the role, I would be shocked and heartbroken. It's not political - it's good casting. Every kid wants the lead. We only need 1 Belle and 1 Beast and 1 Gaston. It's my job to sort them out. If I heard one of the actors badmouthing the others out of jealosy, I would seriously consider replacing them. I don't need that kind of attitude - we have to be a team and consider the good of the show. Sometimes you're in the chorus. SO? We did The Sound of Music last fall. The butler (about 10 lines of 2 to 5 words each) quit 3 days before the show because he was grumpy about not having a bigger role. We had to replace him at the last minute. During our final dress rehearsal, the new butler missed a cue. The actors were all on stage floundering and nobody knew who was supposed to say what. It may have been a small role, but it was necessary. We needed everyone on the team. Now he wants to be Lumiere. LOL! I am going to try to get a guy who graduated last year to be Lumiere because I will not cast someone who let us down so badly last time and I am one guy short. Maria from Sound of Music is a silly girl in BATB. Not because she's not talented. We can't all be the star, and when you're not a team player you will not go very far. It's about the show, not one actor. If I were your director and found out you felt this way, I would want you to quit. Babette shouldn't have baggage.
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SuperKabob
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^^Very good points.
We need more directors around here- people seems to trust advice more when it comes straight from their mouths!
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iheartmusic2
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I'm sorry you feel bad.
I'm sorry you think Belle's personal life is distracting. I'm sorry you think there were better shows your school could have done. I'm sorry you think you deserved a better part.
Maybe you're right about all of it. I don't know. But Babette can be so fun! I'm playing her right now, and, yeah, okay, maybe she's not so big of a part. But our Lumiere is such a cutie! And the tango is so HAWT!
And the finale costume change is totally going to be awesome. (Your costume is ... very shiny. That's al |
