Trevor reincarnate
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I hate ignorant people.So I was dating this one girl recently. Well not even really dating her. We hadn't even gotten that far yet. But anyways... I was talking today and she started brutally making fun of her gay step brother just because he's gay and then I told her to stop and that most of my friends are gay. Then she assumed that I'm gay just because I have gay friends. When she asked me if I was, I told her off, finished the date, got a to-go box and told her to find a ride home.
I hate ignorant people. Grow up and realize there is no need to hate on gay people just because they're different than you!
Idiotic bitch.
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ConverseSneaker
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Amen to that!
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Kiwi
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That girl's just lucky I don't know her. I cannot stand homophobia, no matter what someone's "excuse" is for having it. It is ignorance, totally and completely. My brother's gay, as well as many of my friends, so this topic hits close to home, big time. Thank you for speaking up about it to her. That's just ridiculous.
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Trevor reincarnate
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I do hope she found a ride home...
*shrugs*
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The Next Ten Minutes
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Good for you, way to tell her!
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Salome
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wait trevor..i thought you were gay!
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Trevor reincarnate
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Hardee har har!
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Quique
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She coulda been your fag hag. J/K!!!!!!
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blue wind
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that's so dumb.
people could just as easily say there's something wrong about being straight, or bi, or lesbian.
people should be able to like whoever the heck they want to like.
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Quique
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It would help if you detail what exactly she was saying. I mean, was it actually hateful and cruel, or was she merely giggling at the thought of two dudes together?
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Trevor reincarnate
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No no no. She was being mean. And at first I asked if it was just because she didn't like her brother and she said "No. I just don't like gay people."
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Trevor reincarnate
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| Quique wrote: | | She coulda been your fag hag. J/K!!!!!! |
I already have like... 3 fag hags... and I'm straight...
I don't need her.
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Kiwi
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Even though I'd kinda like to know that as well, either of those things is just dumb to be doing. Laughing at two guys being together is still immature and ignorant, same as saying hateful things, even though they're obviously on different levels.
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Kiwi
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yeah...if you couldn't tell, I got that in just a little after trevor's reply. My bad.
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Quique
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Her loss. Gay people are fab. 
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Kiwi
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| Quique wrote: | | Her loss. Gay people are fab. |
Damn straight!
...no wait, that doesn't work...
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Matthew
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Dear Trevor,
I'm very proud of you. You make me happy.
Love, Matthew.
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PappyCat
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Sounds like she was a product of her upbringing.
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Kiwi
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| PappyCat wrote: | | Sounds like she was a product of her upbringing. |
Most likely. I got into a huge argument with this girl I know who was basing her reasons for homophobia on "what the bible says"and stuff like that, and it was quite clear she was only saying things she'd heard from her parents rather than actually learning facts about it. It made me angry.
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Sweeney Hyde
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Gah. I hate when people condescend and make fun of or are just plain cruel towards homosexuals, or anyone that is labled "different."
No matter who you are, all people need to be shown love.
I don't know if I've mentioned it on here or not, but through middle school, and especially freshman year, people said I was gay. People called me a "fag". I hate when people joke about being a "fag" whenever they know that they are straight and are using it as "idiot" or something else, but when they mean it...it hurts...I can't imagine what it must feel like when one actually is gay. But, just a few weeks ago, for the first time in a long time...a girl actually took the time to turn around and yell at me and call me that word...amongst a slew of others. I just don't understand how people can be intolerent. I hate the word "fag" and I've gotten a few people to stop saying it by telling them where it came from and such...but...idioerks will be idioerks and there's little we can do about it. They have to realize it for themselves.
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Lepitot
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What drives me nuts is one of my best online friends (who is gay but hates all musicals except Evil Dead, Phantom, POTO, and Les Mis) says "fag". He once called me that (jokingly) because I told him he reminded me of Stephanie from Full House (becuase he said "how rude!" I got upset and told him I don't like that word. He said it's like when black people call each other n*****s. He's decided that its okay for them to call each other that so it's okay for gay people to call each other fags. It's only offensive if you allow it to be. 
Anyway, I'm proud of Trevor for doing that, and I respect him very much for doing it.
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Joshua
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I, too, am proud of you for it, Trevor.
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Pounce
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| Trevor reincarnate wrote: | I do hope she found a ride home...
*shrugs* |
Even so...you should have taken her home.
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Kragey
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I would've thrown a drink in her face and told her it's how gay people say hello, since she's apparently dumb enough to think that homosexuality is contagious.
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~GertrudeMcFuzz~
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I'm proud of you, too, Trevor. What she said was just cruel and uncalled for.
I really don't understand people sometimes. What is wrong with letting people love who they want to love or be who they want to be? Or world is severely screwed up.
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Beagle On Stage
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The people who proclaim that they hate ignorant people, think it was a good idea to abandon this girl in town, and furthermore suggest things like throwing drinks in her face, make me feel like they're a bunch of hypocrites. At least if an ignorant person is full of negative feelings, it's because they don't know any better. But if you consider yourself to be enlightened, yet you are still full of bitterness and hatred for people with different feelings from yours...that's a pretty grim existence that I certainly wouldn't want any more than the ignorant one.
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Kiwi
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There is a difference between having different feelings about something and openly bashing something when you know nothing about it, Beagle.
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Beagle On Stage
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| Kiwi wrote: | | There is a difference between having different feelings about something and openly bashing something when you know nothing about it, Beagle. |
True. However, again, at least those people honestly don't know any better than what they're saying. Openly hating on them back doesn't make us better than them, it makes us worse. Isn't deliberate hatred worse than hatred picked up from the environment they grew up in?
I just think it's terribly ironic that when someone found this girl to be lacking in social grace and behaving cruelly toward a group of people, the supported response from just about everyone in this thread is that it is okay to dehumanise her and treat her cruelly, too.
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Kiwi
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Again, when someone is openly bashing something they only know about from the environment they grew up in, it's wrong. They shouldn't say anything, especially negative, about it unless they really know facts, especially when it comes to something about another person. If someone heard something about your best friend, and even though they didn't know him/her or the situation or whatever, they were saying bad things about them based on that right in front of you, would you not be upset and defend your friend? And if they persisted, would it not make you flat out angry?
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Asha
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Even though I think you still should've taken her home, I commend you for speaking up the way you did. I would've been SOOO pissed.
As for all of this product of your environment stuff.... I think that at a certain age, you've GOT to start thinking for yourself. Seriously. I mean, yeah, there are things that my parents have instilled in me since the beginning. But it doesn't mean I don't question what I'm told, wonder about the alternatives, think about who my beliefs might hurt. Your environment is surely your starting point, but it certainly shouldn't be your end.
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Beagle On Stage
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To be completely honest, I subscribe to the view that people can't be held accountable for what they genuinely don't know. In the situation you're describing, of course I would try to help them understand, but if they couldn't because it was so deeply ingrained in them that they could not open their minds, I would have pity for them that a great mind had been wasted. I would not fly into a rage and abandon them with no way to get home as if they were some kind of un-being.
Hatred is hatred, informed or not. Ignorant people are still people who deserve the same respect and compassion as anyone else.
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Joshua
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| Asha wrote: | | Even though I think you still should've taken her home, I commend you for speaking up the way you did. |
Agreed.
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Beagle On Stage
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| Asha wrote: | | As for all of this product of your environment stuff.... I think that at a certain age, you've GOT to start thinking for yourself. Seriously. I mean, yeah, there are things that my parents have instilled in me since the beginning. But it doesn't mean I don't question what I'm told, wonder about the alternatives, think about who my beliefs might hurt. Your environment is surely your starting point, but it certainly shouldn't be your end. |
I'm glad that you and I are able to do that, but I still feel like we should give those who aren't the benefit of the doubt and treat them with compassion rather than shutting them out. You might be able to win them over if you can keep your head and reach out to them, but if everyone shuns them, they will definitely never change.
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Asha
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | Asha wrote: | | As for all of this product of your environment stuff.... I think that at a certain age, you've GOT to start thinking for yourself. Seriously. I mean, yeah, there are things that my parents have instilled in me since the beginning. But it doesn't mean I don't question what I'm told, wonder about the alternatives, think about who my beliefs might hurt. Your environment is surely your starting point, but it certainly shouldn't be your end. |
I'm glad that you and I are able to do that, but I still feel like we should give those who aren't the benefit of the doubt and treat them with compassion rather than shutting them out. You might be able to win them over if you can keep your head and reach out to them, but if everyone shuns them, they will definitely never change. |
No, I agree with that, sometimes people need to be reached out to, taught. I probably would have had a long conversation with the girl, tried to get her to understand. But if people aren't receptive, not willing to listen or learn, what can you do?
And I don't believe that anyone truly has anything so ingrained in them that they can't see anything else. You'd have to be a very closed-minded, unintelligent person not to be able to see anything but the point of view you were taught.
You're also probably benefiting (or at least, not being punished) from your bigotry. I mean, think about it. Straight people can make fun of gay people, call each other "fag", all of it, because breeders are on top. Most of them are not discriminated against every day because of who they love. They have the privelages that come along with being straight, and the status quo is still THEM, so criticizing and discounting the underdog has no consequence.
But, yeah. I don't think that just bashing bigots makes things better... there's got to be some communication, LOTS of communication.
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Kiwi
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Hatred is hatred, informed or not. |
Indeed. Hatred of people, say, who are gay, whether informed or not, is hatred, and shouldn't be condoned.
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Beagle On Stage
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| Kiwi wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Hatred is hatred, informed or not. |
Indeed. Hatred of people, say, who are gay, whether informed or not, is hatred, and shouldn't be condoned. |
You're obviously not being very receptive to what I'm trying to say, so I'm done here.
(If we weren't both at home already, I would offer you a ride first.)
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Luc
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | I'm done here. |
Last time you said that, the argument lasted 5+ pages after.
I'll give it 6+ pages this time.
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Beagle On Stage
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Luc, help us out today and find yourself a place where you won't get into any trouble.
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Cake_in_Song
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I kind of came to the conclusion today that people are jerks. Mostly because I was patiently waiting for my grilled cheese sandwhich, and some guy had just ordered a cheeseburger. The server asked, "Sorry, was that on whole wheat?" The guy snapped. He pretty much bit the server's head off because he wanted white bread. Seriously, why do people behave like that? They treat other people like they're not real, like they're just objects furnishing their lives. I hate it.
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Asha
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^So do I.
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Luc
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | Luc, help us out today and find yourself a place where you won't get into any trouble. |
They have those?
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Nudelkopf
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What I hate is people who pretend to be a homosexual.
Eg. That guy.
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Quique
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Incredibly, I actually agree with Beagle wholeheartedly.
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Trevor reincarnate
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I just skimmed what Beagle said. Didn't pay too much heed, considering 99% of it is probably rebutting what I did and defending her.
I'm proud of what I did. How I did it.
I don't feel regret or shame or guilt about how I carried anything out.
She's a big girl. She can find a ride home.
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Beagle On Stage
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| Trevor reincarnate wrote: | | She's a big girl. She can find a ride home. |
Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her.
But she would deserve that because she's ignorant, right?
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dolbinau
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| Quote: | Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her.
But she would deserve that because she's ignorant, right? |
Oh come on  .
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Angel-of-Music*
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her.
But she would deserve that because she's ignorant, right? |
because people are totally incapable of catching a bus aren't they...
I think good on you trevor, it teaches her a lesson.
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Dax
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| Angel-of-Music* wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: |
Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her.
But she would deserve that because she's ignorant, right? |
because people are totally incapable of catching a bus aren't they...
I think good on you trevor, it teaches her a lesson. |
Depends on where and when...
The best way to "fight" such an attitude is by convincing the person he/she is wrong.
You don't "teach" a lesson by alienating the person or by pissing the person off.
A little more thought here please...the title of the thread seems rather appropriate.
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wtfchuck
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i severely dislike people who, tmemselves, choose to have a negative opinion of people because of their sexuality.
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Joshua
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| musikal_geek wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: | | Luc, help us out today and find yourself a place where you won't get into any trouble. |
They have those? |
No no no! You're supposed to say:
"A place where there isn't any trouble. Do you suppose there is such a place, Toto?"
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shadowdancer
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I'm going to go out on a limb and even though I don't know Trevor, I am going ot assume he tried to rationally talk to her first. i doubt she said "I HATE HOMOS" and he just picked up and left. I could be wrong but doubtful. When someone has ignorant beliefs, normally based and in part because of their upbringing, it is a great thought that with simple conversation we should be able to show them the error of their thoughts. Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Sometimes, no matter what you may say, if the person has set thoughts ona subject you will not be bale to change them. Now maybe with Trevor's extreme actions, this girl might, just might, realize she went too far, or maybe make her second think and guess what she said exactly and thinks. I do believe a person's thoughts on things like race and homosexuality can unfortunately be based on one's upbringing. Also, it is easy to say, well he/she is grown or an adult, he/she should think for himself/herself...but it is not always that easy. If you thought the sky was blue, but everyone around you, the people you love and trust in life thought the sky was green and that is what they passionately felt and taught, you would eventually think it was green as well. Sorry, bad metaphor, but I think you know what I was getting at. It is an ideal thought that we should be bale to change the mind of ignorant or hateful people by just "talking it out," but unfortunately we all know that isn't always the case. Once again, I am going to assume this girl was not just saying stupid little gay jokes but seriously bashing gay people, enough to make Trevor NEED to leave. And for that, I say AMEN! When you face people like this it is of course important to try to talk it out with them, maybe they can see something new, but sometimes an individual is so closed minded, there is nothing you can do about it. If this girl clealry saw how upset Trevor was getting and knew he had a lot of close gay friends, I feel like she was saying all this just to be a "not nice girl" and to push her ignorant agenda. If she was willing ot even listen a bit to Trevor's "side" I am sure he wouldn't have left like that. I am all for chivalry, but sometimes you can only take so much hatred from someone and being in San Diego, she could easily get a bus or something, and be just face! Heck, maybe she will meet some gays on the bus!
I think a good question to think about/discuss is when you are dealing with someone who has ignorant thoughts (racism,sexism,homophobia) how much responsibility do/should you have when it comes to trying to change his/her mind? Also, if they are opening their minds, when is it time to give up/stop trying to help them?
| Quote: | | Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her. |
Compared to the gay man or black person or woman who is beaten, robbed and raped just for being something they cannot change: race, gender, sexual preference. No, I am not saying she is ignorant so it is OK....I am all for giving people the benefit of the doubt an dyes it would great to live an an ideal world, where just talking to someone will change his/her point of view, but that is not the world we live in. Well, it might be the world Beagle lives in, but not the world the rest of us live in.
For Trevor, not being a gay man, I give him even more props for standing up for his friends and the gay community. Yes, it would have been ideal if he could have said "Ignorant girl, you are wrong in your thoughts about gays." and Then ignorant girl would respond "you are right Trevor. Thank you! I love gays." But unfortunately this world can not always be rainbows and lollipops all the time. My guess would be she wouldn't ave wanted to ride home with Trevor anyway, because he has many close gay friends. I am so proud and thankful that Trevor stood up for Homosexuality and his friends and beliefs, and heck he doesn't know me...but even for me. Trevor is the type of person I would like to have as a friend, he would stick up for me no matter what, and he is the type of person that can and will change people's minds. Beagle on the other hand, seems so set on trying to sit on top of a soap box, as wavering as it is, that his/her (sorry don't know) stubborness is just as bad as the girl's ignorance. you kept tryign to make the point of trying to see her side, etc, and yet you won't even think for a second what Trevor might have gone through in that situation (or in a lot of other posts what the other person is saying). This is not an attack on you Beagle, but the last few "controversial posts" that you have been involved in always seem to have you taking the opposite view of everyone...just because? Why did you even join this topic? Just so you could disagree and show your "morals" again. I am sorry if this is rude, but the last few responses I have seen form you really got under my skin a bit. I for one have so much RESPECT for what TREVOR did, and have no respect for someone who would just let someone say all those ignorant, hurtful things and let it go because he/she only knows her beliefs from the way she was raised. Words can be very powerful tools, but sometimes a quick kick in the ass is what is needed and a very effective tool!
CHEERS TO TREVOR!
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broadwayxdoll
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wow. how stupid. seriously.
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Kiwi
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 shadowdancer!
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home
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | Trevor reincarnate wrote: | | She's a big girl. She can find a ride home. |
Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her.
But she would deserve that because she's ignorant, right? |
how dramatic
so what did the girl say? i must of missed the post
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Trevor reincarnate
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I didn't go into detail as it would just be paraphrased and there's no need. It was just typical gay bashing.
And yes I did try to talk to her intelligently for a while, and I even ignored it for most of the time... but at the end, I couldn't take it any more. So I left.
And yes... it is VERY easy to get a ride. We were right by the Sprinter train. It could have easily taken her home for $2.
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Matthew
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Trevor, I commend you on leaving her there.
Escondido isn't that bad.
If it were Compton or Long Beach at night, I'd say "Woah there" but Escon's fine.
Good job. On every aspect.
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MusicalGal1194
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This little thread is a godsend for me. There are male students in my school who insist on being anti-gay and lesbian, but declare that they are not homophobic! I myself am not lesbian, but I support gay and lesbian marriage because we all love in the same way. And oh, I've tried, many a time to get this guys to understand how ignorant they are being, but no. They won't listen. It's ridiculous. They won't get very far in life at all if they are so ignorant of other sexualities and cultures.
Gahh. I hate ignorant people.
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Luc
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | Trevor reincarnate wrote: | | She's a big girl. She can find a ride home. |
Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her. |
So I guess she should never go out in public alone? The chances are exactly the same, even if she started out with someone else. See what I'm saying? Just because Trevor left doesn't increase the chance of any of those things happening. What happens to her when she's alone is her business, not Trevor's. They were on a date; he wasn't babysitting her.
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lesmisloony
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| shadowdancer wrote: | | Beagle on the other hand, seems so set on trying to sit on top of a soap box, as wavering as it is, that his/her (sorry don't know) stubborness is just as bad as the girl's ignorance. you kept tryign to make the point of trying to see her side, etc, and yet you won't even think for a second what Trevor might have gone through in that situation (or in a lot of other posts what the other person is saying). This is not an attack on you Beagle, but the last few "controversial posts" that you have been involved in always seem to have you taking the opposite view of everyone...just because? Why did you even join this topic? Just so you could disagree and show your "morals" again. I am sorry if this is rude, but the last few responses I have seen form you really got under my skin a bit. |
I started to say more, but I realised that you've summed everything up perfectly.
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Dax
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| musikal_geek wrote: | | Beagle On Stage wrote: | | Trevor reincarnate wrote: | | She's a big girl. She can find a ride home. |
Or get beaten, robbed and raped trying to find one because her date got mad and ditched her. |
So I guess she should never go out in public alone? The chances are exactly the same, even if she started out with someone else. See what I'm saying? Just because Trevor left doesn't increase the chance of any of those things happening. What happens to her when she's alone is her business, not Trevor's. They were on a date; he wasn't babysitting her. |
Chivalry is indeed dead to some...
*shrugs*
From the sound of things he wasn't really interested in her anyway. Else he would have been more subtle to keep an open dialogue with her instead of kicking her to the curb.
Just a further example that others who "hate" are only interested in being divisive.
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Trevor reincarnate
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I'm intolerant of intolerance.
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Orestes Fasting
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| Dax wrote: | From the sound of things he wasn't really interested in her anyway. Else he would have been more subtle to keep an open dialogue with her instead of kicking her to the curb.
Just a further example that others who "hate" are only interested in being divisive. |
Would you want to go on a date with someone whose idea of dinner-table chitchat is trash-talking her family, and who attacks you when you tell her she just offended you?
I mean, kicking her to the curb for saying she doesn't like gay people would be one thing. But you can't really hold an open dialogue with someone determined to be an obnoxious twat about it.
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Beagle On Stage
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| MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | There are male students in my school who insist on being anti-gay and lesbian, but declare that they are not homophobic! |
I would draw a defined line between opposing homosexual lifestyles, and being "homophobic." That term, when applied as widely as it is, is just a fallacy. It presumptously assumes that if you don't approve, it must be because you're afraid of...well, I don't know exactly what the accusers think people are scared of. It's just an attempt to get the last word by calling names. What a confused world this is when name-calling is the socially accepted response to name-calling. Have we really STILL not developed beyond "an eye for an eye" yet?
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Lepitot
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What lifestyle???
I'm a homosexual. I live just like every other person on the earth.
I really can't stand when people say "lifestyle" and act like we are ---- aliens or something.
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candymancan
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| Lepitot wrote: | What lifestyle???
I'm a homosexual. I live just like every other person on the earth.
I really can't stand when people say "lifestyle" and act like we are ---- aliens or something. |
I think it is a lifestyle to an extent. You obviously prefer things one way then others and you sort of are persecuted for it. I think that makes it a lifestyle.
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Matthew
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Are there heterosexual lifestyles?
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pish123c
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| Matthew wrote: | | Are there heterosexual lifestyles? |
That's very profound! Did you come up with that yourself or is it from something?
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Matthew
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| pish123c wrote: | | Matthew wrote: | | Are there heterosexual lifestyles? |
That's very profound! Did you come up with that yourself or is it from something? |
Can you dry-clean my pants, you got some sarcasm on them.
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pish123c
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| Matthew wrote: |
Can you dry-clean my pants, you got some sarcasm on them. |
I need food or a nap or something...For some reason I thought this was the Random Facts thread and not a response to people on this thread. *Headdesk* 
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candymancan
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| Matthew wrote: | | Are there heterosexual lifestyles? |
Yes, But because Heteros are the most common thing and more socially accepted. It isn't really viewed as a lifestyle, but it is, because it is different than a Homo's lifestyle.
I am trying to say this without offending...
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Matthew
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oh k
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jesuiscommejesuis
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Hate the sin, love the sinner.
--Mahatma Gandhi
AND
You must be the change you want to see in the world.
--Mahatma Gandhi
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Lepitot
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The only difference between me and a straight guy is that I'd rather have sex with a guy than a woman.
How is that a lifestyle?
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Beagle On Stage
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I specified "lifestyle" because that's different from just being gay in and of itself. Those who are sexually active are living a sexual lifestyle, whatever it may be.
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Lepitot
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Which do you mean, a gay person who is sexually active with his long-term partner, or a gay person who is sexually active in orgy type situations?
I'd say the latter IS a lifestyle which differs from typical heterosexual lifestyles, although there are certainly heterosexuals who live the same type of lifestyle. The first one is just natural and shouldn't be considered something different than a heterosexual lifestyle.
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Beagle On Stage
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Both of those are examples of different kinds of homosexual lifestyles. If you don't agree, I'd be interested in hearing your definition of "lifestye."
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Matthew
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beagle lives a heterosexual/homosexual/closeted homosexual lifestyle
please choose beagle
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Lepitot
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They are both lifestyles. I said that. But I said one of them doesn't differ from heterosexual lifestyles.
If heterosexuals are classifying all homosexuals as people that have lots of orgies, then it only proves how ignorant they are.
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Beagle On Stage
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Dude. There are gay and straight people alike who are monogamous and not. Any combination is a lifestyle.
And no one here is saying that all homosexuals have "lots of orgies." You've pretty much brought that up out of nowhere.
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Matthew
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i edited my post for a typographical error.
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Lepitot
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No, you are missing my point.
I am asking how is a homosexual that has sex with his long term partner a different lifestyle than a heterosexual that has sex with his long term partner??? It's the same thing.
I understand how a homosexual that participates in orgies is a very different lifestyle from the "norm" of a heterosexual lifestyle. However, there are heterosexuals that do participate in heterosexual orgies, and that indeed is a lifestyle. But this is irrelevant, because I'm sure most heterosexuals consider heterosexual orgies a different lifestyle.
What I was pointing out was that there is NO difference in lifestyle between homosexual longterm partners having sex and heterosexual longterm partners having sex.
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Matthew
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id like to quote beagle from a long time ago
| futureMUNGOJERRIE wrote: | | Why can't homosexuals be married? |
| Beagle on Stage wrote: | | Because it makes me uncomfortable? |
for a good time look through the first picture thread theres a great picture of beagle and everyone for that matter
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Orestes Fasting
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| Beagle On Stage wrote: | | MusicalGal1194 wrote: | | There are male students in my school who insist on being anti-gay and lesbian, but declare that they are not homophobic! |
I would draw a defined line between opposing homosexual lifestyles, and being "homophobic." That term, when applied as widely as it is, is just a fallacy. It presumptously assumes that if you don't approve, it must be because you're afraid of...well, I don't know exactly what the accusers think people are scared of. It's just an attempt to get the last word by calling names. What a confused world this is when name-calling is the socially accepted response to name-calling. Have we really STILL not developed beyond "an eye for an eye" yet? |
'Homophobia' is now widely used in the same sense as 'racism' or 'sexism,' not just the narrower definition of being afraid of gay people. If you have a snappier word for 'prejudiced against homosexuals,' please enlighten us.
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Beagle On Stage
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I think that in order to discuss something seriously, it's more important to be deliberate and clear than to be "snappy." Further, there's a division even still between disapproving of homosexual activity and being prejudiced against those who engage in it. Compare this to "disapproval of smoking" vs. "prejudice against smokers." That's a serious accusation that deserves distinction.
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Dax
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | Dax wrote: | From the sound of things he wasn't really interested in her anyway. Else he would have been more subtle to keep an open dialogue with her instead of kicking her to the curb.
Just a further example that others who "hate" are only interested in being divisive. |
Would you want to go on a date with someone whose idea of dinner-table chitchat is trash-talking her family, and who attacks you when you tell her she just offended you? |
As I said, it doesn't seem as if he was interested in her anyway...
And in case you misunderstood, "open dialogue" is semantically equivalent to keeping a line of communication open. Or as in this case, still being acquainted with this person.
After all, to truly "fight" hate one needs to be able to speak to the person. But as we see here, he wasn't interested in either her or such a fight. Just interested in keeping the hate alive so he could play at being a man...
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Orestes Fasting
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How is it unclear to use a word whose connotation has shifted from 'fear' to 'prejudice?'
I mean, sure, its etymology doesn't match its current definition, but I assume we're all big boys and girls who know that words change, and that homophobia doesn't mean fear any more than gay means happy.
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Lepitot
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There's a difference between how people view disapproval of smoking, and a disapproval of homosexuality.
People who disapprove of homosexuality are generally VERY disapproving of it. They think they are disgusting and going to hell.
I disapprove of smoking, but I do not think less of someone for smoking. It is their choice.
Funny, I'm less judgemental of someone's personal choice than people are of me for being homosexual, which isn't a choice.
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Matthew
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no really guys go look at that picture thread
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candymancan
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| Lepitot wrote: | There's a difference between how people view disapproval of smoking, and a disapproval of homosexuality.
People who disapprove of homosexuality are generally VERY disapproving of it. They think they are disgusting and going to hell.
I disapprove of smoking, but I do not think less of someone for smoking. It is their choice.
Funny, I'm less judgemental of someone's personal choice than people are of me for being homosexual, which isn't a choice. |
Are you saying Heterosexualality isn't a choice either? Because I am pretty sure most people CHOOSE weather they are straight or not.
And the reason smoking isn't as faught against as Homosexualality is, is because smoking is old. Most people used to do it and many continue to do so and don't find any problems with it.
Homosexualality, although technically isn't new. It has mostly been frowned upon through all of history.
You can't really compare smoking, something that has been socially accepted by mostly everyone through the years and Homosexuality.
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Lepitot
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Who chooses to be straight? No one goes "hmm, maybe I should be gay!"
Either they're gay or not. No one chooses to be either. I think there are shades of gray in between, but no one just decides to be anything.
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candymancan
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| Lepitot wrote: | Who chooses to be straight? No one goes "hmm, maybe I should be gay!"
Either they're gay or not. No one chooses to be either. I think there are shades of gray in between, but no one just decides to be anything. |
Obviously no one just goes hmmm... maybe I will be straight. No, it takes time to decide, obviously. But it is still a choice.
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shakalakababy
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| candymancan wrote: |
Homosexualality, although technically isn't new. It has mostly been frowned upon through all of history.
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well, except in ancient greece
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candymancan
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| shakalakababy wrote: | | candymancan wrote: |
Homosexualality, although technically isn't new. It has mostly been frowned upon through all of history.
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well except in ancient greece |
Ok, except ancient Greece, Thank You for clarifying, but it is still, for the most part, Frowned upon in society.
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Orestes Fasting
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| candymancan wrote: | | Are you saying Heterosexualality isn't a choice either? Because I am pretty sure most people CHOOSE weather they are straight or not. |
Hahaha no.
Assuming you're male: is the thought of kissing a guy just as appealing as the thought of kissing a girl? Is your righteous indignation the only thing standing in your way? Or do you just find the thought of kissing guys gross?
Well gee, that's how lesbians feel about the thought of kissing a guy. And how gay men feel at the thought of kissing a girl.
(Reverse genders as needed if you're female, yadda yadda.)
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Lepitot
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I wouldn't mind kissing a girl. I'd just prefer to kiss guys.
But, no, it is definately not a choice. If it were, I would have turned straight a few years ago. You can try to pretend to be straight, but after a few months of trying to masturbate to nothing but girls...you'll find out that it's just not gonna happen. I love girls, and I think many of them are gorgeous/ sexy...but, I have no sexual attraction to them.
Sorry if that was graphic, but it got the point across.
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candymancan
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | candymancan wrote: | | Are you saying Heterosexualality isn't a choice either? Because I am pretty sure most people CHOOSE weather they are straight or not. |
Hahaha no.
Assuming you're male: is the thought of kissing a guy just as appealing as the thought of kissing a girl? Is your righteous indignation the only thing standing in your way? Or do you just find the thought of kissing guys gross?
Well gee, that's how lesbians feel about the thought of kissing a guy. And how gay men feel at the thought of kissing a girl.
(Reverse genders as needed if you're female, yadda yadda.) |
That is true... but I still think there is a choice though. I don't believe anyone was born Gay or Straight I think the way they were brought up and how they view each gender and how it effects them is more of how they choose.
That was probably way confusing... This is so hard to try to type down than actually say... It isn't translating very well from my head to computer...
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Orestes Fasting
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| candymancan wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | candymancan wrote: | | Are you saying Heterosexualality isn't a choice either? Because I am pretty sure most people CHOOSE weather they are straight or not. |
Hahaha no.
Assuming you're male: is the thought of kissing a guy just as appealing as the thought of kissing a girl? Is your righteous indignation the only thing standing in your way? Or do you just find the thought of kissing guys gross?
Well gee, that's how lesbians feel about the thought of kissing a guy. And how gay men feel at the thought of kissing a girl.
(Reverse genders as needed if you're female, yadda yadda.) |
That is true... but I still think there is a choice though. I don't believe anyone was born Gay or Straight I think the way they were brought up and how they view each gender and how it effects them is more of how they choose.
That was probably way confusing... This is so hard to try to type down than actually say... |
Look. Could you really, honestly just choose to be gay? And enjoy it? If the answer is no, then no, you didn't choose to be straight. You just are.
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Lepitot
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I honestly think it's something people are born with. I highly doubt how a parent raises someone can cause them to be gay. I mean, my sister is straight.
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Joshua
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Does every thread have to turn into one of these discussions? Granted I was part in the past, but it's getting old. It's always the same few people with the addition of the one person who has a different opinion than the others.
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candymancan
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| Orestes Fasting wrote: | | candymancan wrote: | | Orestes Fasting wrote: | | candymancan wrote: | | Are you saying Heterosexualality isn't a choice either? Because I am pretty sure most people CHOOSE weather they are straight or not. |
Hahaha no.
Assuming you're male: is the thought of kissing a guy just as appealing as the thought of kissing a girl? Is your righteous indignation the only thing standing in your way? Or do you just find the thought of kissing guys gross?
Well gee, that's how lesbians feel about the thought of kissing a guy. And how gay men feel at the thought of kissing a girl.
(Reverse genders as needed if you're female, yadda yadda.) |
That is true... but I still think there is a choice though. I don't believe anyone was born Gay or Straight I think the way they were brought up and how they view each gender and how it effects them is more of how they choose.
That was probably way confusing... This is so hard to try to type down than actually say... |
Look. Could you really, honestly just choose to be gay? And enjoy it? If the answer is no, then no, you didn't choose to be straight. You just are. |
I don't know, because I personally think I would find it enjoyable either way. Honestly I do. I don't know your preference, but can you honestly say, there is no way that you couldn't find it enjoyable with either sex?
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