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| musicalmaniac4 |
Has this been relased to high schools yet?has wicked been relesed yet to high schools? |
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| LoneWanderer |
No. | ||||||||
| swmustang878 |
I really hate to burst your bubble, but it's probably going to be a long long time until it's released. Universal is going to pump Wicked dry until they get all of the money they can from the Broadway and tour tickets. The tour is already booked until like almost the end of next year so..... sorry. 
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| ConverseSneaker |
 This was really funny when I read the title.....and then I read the post and realized you were serious.
My guess......it will come off in about the same time Phantom will. Never will happen for atleast 5 years. Maybe then they'll consider it. |
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| JemiBoe1981 |
I HOPE it doesn't make it to high schools for a VERY long time. Basically the only things that make this show enjoyable are the insane sets and costumes and the over the top powerhouse belting that can sometimes hurt to listen to. Yeah, I enjoyed it when I saw it, but it's a spectacle show, and not much beyond that. It had potential, maybe, coming from a stellar novel, but it all went downhill story, script, and often score-wise. So I think it should be reserved for the pros for a long time.
Please don't hate me for kind of bashing the show! I swear I did have a fantastic night at the theatre when I saw it! |
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| MademoiselleMusicals |
I agree. A show like Wicked is relatively new so the pros. should be given a chance. Besides corpartions like Universal are only intereasted in making money. 
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| musicalmaniac4 |
well i just i thought i would ask and yes i was serious. | ||||||||
| LoneWanderer |
We only thought you werent because it's a very easy question to find the answer out to without posting...and to most people in the "musical theatre world" it's common sense. If you're new to musicals and such I spose it wouldn't be though. I do wonder why you didnt search around for the answer first.
~The Lone Wanderer |
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| what_the_heck013 |
And when/if they do, I'll slit my wrists. |
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| dramababy500 |
Even when it does get released to high schools the royalties are going to be sky high. Unless you go to one of those schools where kid's parents have one of those never-before-seen money trees growing out of their.... butt (keepin' it clean...haha)... chances are you'll never get to perform in Wicked... sorry kiddo. | ||||||||
| MademoiselleMusicals |
Now hang on a mo, everyone is entitled to questions people, so don't worry musicalmaniac4. Wicked will not be released for years I bet. Also how can you see young people tackiling a role as big as Elpha (sp  !) it would strain their voices so so much and you need proper vocal training. Popular is quite an easy song to sing though.
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| LoneWanderer |
1st off...you have an avatar of the show and you can't spell Elphaba? Cah-razy. 2nd off...it doesn't require proper vocal training to sing it...even to sing it as Menzel sang it. It just requires the willingness to trash your voice a bit. |
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| Musical Fanatic!! |
Excuse me bt ive been a singer for years now and had vocal training ive taught a girl to sing defying gravitry and for good at 30 performances she didnt ruin her voice u dont have to trash it to sing that song its challenging yes but if that person can sing A+ octave above middle C it shouldnt be that hard!! 
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| Musical Fanatic!! |
By the way she was ACE!!!! @ the song too!!!!! | ||||||||
| LoneWanderer |
I'd trust your opinion if you could write a sentance that didnt hurt my brain. Also, theres a difference between performing the songs many nights in a row in a show and just learning a song and singing it at a few recitals...and then just lieing about it all as I don't trust you've been a vocal coach for anyone. | ||||||||
| musicalmaniac4 |
im not new to musicals ive been into them since i was a little kid, i was just in les mis. I just thought i would ask, is there anything wrong with that? What did you mean by new? And my high school could to do it and it would be great. We sold out every single night of les miserables, we have alot of money and the reviews we got were great. There was a news paper artlice that said we had the best high version ever done. Anyway my point is my school has a great Musical Staff and whenever its realsied its going to be way could. | ||||||||
| dramababy500 |
Hate to burst your bubble, but every newspaper says that about high school show. If they said anything negitive about a high school performance they'd get so much negitive press for "ruining the spirits" of the community's youth. I've seen fantastick reviews for high school shows and then gone to see them only to walk out halfway through the first act. Not saying that your school's show sucked... I'm sure it was great. |
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| MademoiselleMusicals |
1st I was in a rush for school and my mother was yelling at me to get off the comp that s why I spelt it wrong. Besides are you trying to pick a fight about my avatar? Now that's a bit crazy lol.
2nd. Defying Gravity is a song that is quite difficult. The willingness to 'trash your voice,' is unsensible as, you would strain your vocals. I stand by what I said, even though it may sound a bit absurd 
Jeez what happened to having an opinion? |
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| musicalmaniac4 |
what the heck are you talking about? and whats and advatar? | ||||||||
| swmustang878 |
okay everyone! time to stop arguing and take deep breaths. In, and out. In, and out. lol. Anyway, an avatar is the picture some of us have under our screen names.
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| MademoiselleMusicals |
Look clean slate, I posted my view and if you happen to disagree with it it's OK. No problem. But what I don't agree with is people trying to 'pick a fight.' This is not worth even posting about so lets just leave it like swmustang878 suggested. | ||||||||
| swmustang878 |
About singin defying gravity, I think its sung wrong because (1) girls have no clue how to implement the proper technique and they oversing or undersing it or (2) girls that don't have those last notes within their comfortable range sing it and totally bomb. (Obviously I am talkin amateurs here, not the pros) In the words of my good friend Simon Cowell, "It sounds like karaoke night at a bar." Basically, I definitely think that Defying Gravity should not be going to high schools unless you are some school for the vocally gifted. (Now, don't go gettin mad at me. There are always exceptions but I am talkin GENERALLY.) 
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| LoneWanderer |
That's just the thing, it isn't obvious at all. I'm not gonna repost my argument about this as I already have many times, but the straining in the song is not something that the amateurs came up with. |
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| LoneWanderer |
Paranoia paranoia everybodies comin to get me. Really...I just pointed out that you have an avatar of wicked, likely meaning you are very "into" the show. That was my point. Let's not take everything as an attack, shall we? |
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| RyanJ |
I don't think that Wicked is good for high schools. Yet.
I think right now it should just be performed by professionals, and then when the hype about it calms, then it should be offered to high schools. If you see a mediocre performance of Wicked at a high school you're not going to want to go see it professionally. Give Wicked some time and it will be offered
(Probably not any time soon, though. )
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| MademoiselleMusicals |
That is exactly the point that I was orginally trying to post except it didn't come across that way.
I apologise if I insulted you but I interpreted your comments that way. Now lets get back to discussing the world of musical theatre hence the title of this website, 'musicaltheatre.net'
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| LoneWanderer |
... Anyone else somehow here through a different website? |
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| DramaRobin2002 |
You mean Musicals.net  ? Personally, I really don't want to see Wicked released to high schools. I'm sure there are a few out there who have the talent and the budget but for each one that did there will be at least ten others than are absolutely horrible. Wicked's main allure for many audience members is the spectacle. The bubble, Elphaba flying, the big stage effects that just grab your attention. Those are really the main reasons why seeing a high school perform Wicked would make my brain bleed. That and the idea that the main girls could be doing some serious vocal damage if they don't properly know how to sing the end of Defying Gravity or the operatic areas of No One Mourns The Wicked.
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| MademoiselleMusicals |
Yes lol
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| theonetowatch |
Re: Has this been relased to high schools yet?hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaCan you seriously see a high school even beginning to pull off Wicked? hahahahahahahahahaha Sorry...I'm really not laughing at you...I just think it would be hilarious to see a high school attempt that. And nothing against high schoolers. I'm in high school myself...but come on. |
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| broadwayfreak67 |
Apparently people have attempted it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xNE6NbPSQ I'd have to say that my favorite part is after "It's me!" all of the ensemble collapses, probably because her screeching voice is shi*. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaKi0MZih4Y Ahh. Shoot me. They did RENT, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJCWQruZw9A |
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| happyguava |
Oh dear. That was terrible!. Sorry, but... ergh! | ||||||||
| Cazzy Mcsnazzy |
Lone Wanderer the amount of times I have read your posts and thought how can one person dislike wicked so much but still spend the majority of their time on a forum about it!! Its unbelievable, and yes we realise that you think Idina has wrecked her voice from doing the show but could you try not to mention it on every thread of this forum. Sorry to have a go but you REALLY get on my nerves!!! | ||||||||
| The Modern Art Movement |
Truthfully, I think Avenue Q has a better chance of being released for high school before Wicked does. Which means that Wicked virtually has a snowball's chance in hell. | ||||||||
| TheNextTenMinutes |
Wicked is not a high school show. Nor, for the record, is Les Mis. Tp this day I will always question whether or not it was really worth the money making a school edition, becasue now we have to live with the indignity of thousands of girls going "Oh my god, I'm like soooo much like Eponine. None of the guys I like ever like me! omg I'M MADE FOR THIS PART!"
Now I'm sorry but I've already had enough of every teenaged girl thinking they have the kind of voice that could carry this kind of show. Because, while there are exceptions, the majority of you don't. I'm sorry, you just don't. While we're on the subject, you can't do Cathy from The Last Five Years either. Or Christine Colgate from DRS. Or anyone from Aidia. In fact, stay away from any of Sherie Rene Scott's roles until you're over 18, at the very least, okay? Wicked can be so easily over-cheesed and undr-sung...let's not exacerbate by introducing into a bunch of highschools. By the way, Lone Wanderer's opinion is actually just as valid as anyone else's. You all act like he/she is stifling your free thinking butin reality when you knowck him/her back you're doing the same thing. Funny. |
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| Cazzy Mcsnazzy |
He/She is just rude and i just feel he/she enjoys pissing people off and talking badly about peoples favourite show! Im sure lonewander would get just annoyed as the rest of us if we slated her favourite show in every thread on the forum. p.s wicked isnt my favourite show but i do love it alot. | ||||||||
| Baker |
I love you for that. Just thought I'd say that. |
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| WillowFae |
Someone should have told her that belting is not the same as shouting. |
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| Luc |
It actually says in the board guidelines that any user is allowed to post in any forum, whether they post positively or negatively about the show. So what if Lone doesn't like the show. This entire forum is made for opinions and he/she is posting his or her own. It's really no big deal. So you can't tell him/her that he/she can't post here. That's just wrong. The WICKED forum in particular is the worst for b!tc# fights. It's actually kinda sad... |
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| Nick-Ko-Las Enigma |
Just to note, no one was told that they could not post in this forum. There was a request made to not bash the show because lonewander was becoming repetitive in the poster estimation.
Actually this forum is rather tame. |
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| MademoiselleMusicals |
*cough cough* Musicals dot Net
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| superdave |
I am sorry, But Wicked is not a complicated score. Neither is Les Mis. I think that GOOD high school choir people, can do this show. Because I love Wicked, but no offense, the show is very simple to sing...in my opinion. I am a Tenor 1--and I can sing half of Elphaba's notes, in original key. They don't sound as good...but the fact is I can sing them. If I can sing them, then wouldnt you think a Soprano 1 could sing it with ease... I think so. I think that the show, when it is released into the annals of Musical Theatre International, which probably will happen 10-15 years from now, just my guess... I think the only ones that will be able to preform it, are Regional/Community Theatres and maybe Colleges. And even then, I dont think alot of Artistic Directors are going to be lining up to do the show, because--so many directors, HATE IT. I know my professor does. So... My opinion is,Wicked wont hit a high school stage--for YEARS, upon YEARS. |
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| Timmy_Wishes he was Quast |
On top of that lets bot even beign to think about the perfomnace fees..its a great cash cow! i don't think commuinty/school thaetre could cope with the over heads! | ||||||||
| superdave |
Well you could do it, without all the bells, the problem is I dont think Wicked could stand without the bells, no offense. Just like Phantom, cant stand without all the effects, either. | ||||||||
| MademoiselleMusicals |
Looked at the first link on youtube.com and I have to say the documentry was great! Wished they expanded it. | ||||||||
| The Modern Art Movement |
Teehee. Collapsing ensembles are funny. And tragic. Mostly funny. It's like 82.49% funny and 17.51% tragic. |
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| SCurran07 |
I was thinking anywhere from 7-10 years. And I'm sure after that the rights will be so expensive that most high schools won't be able to afford it. But a lot of people think Wicked will run longer than Phantom, so.......
yea.youre screwed |
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| TheNextTenMinutes |
I didn't say it was difficult. I said high school students couldn't do it. |
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| Brother Marvin Hinten, S. |
And I'll join you. |
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| Ep-Griz-Reno |
I see both sides to this.
On one hand-I think well... They offer college math in schools, but "OH THEY AREN'T IN COLLEGE SO THEY ARENT READY"...I'm sorry, but living through things helps you grow...if a school did wicked, they would learn and be FORCED to stretch themselves On the other hand, there is potential to permanently ruin a voice...and by A voice I do only mean ONE-because honestly, vocally-who else could RUIN their voice... so...in my opinion, as long as the director was careful and made sure that the girl playing elphaba didn't hurt herself, I don't see a problem. Sticking to that, she doesn't HAVE to be belted (let me finish) IN A HIGH SCHOOL...because NO ONE is expecting broadway quality, and as I said before, it's a growing process. We were going to do "Wicked" as our fifteen minute piece for a fullerton festival, and I was up for Elphaba, and I've worked with my vocal instructor, and I can hit the notes WITHOUT straining and WITHOUT screaming...I would consider myself ONE of the exceptions....so-why not let the exceptions thrive and the beginners learn? You know? High school IS TO LEARN. My school didn't tap before anything goes, and no one wanted to do it because "OH NO ONE IN OUR SCHOOL CAN TAP"....but we LEARNED...it's something else we've got under our belt to help us in the performance world... just something to think about. =) |
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| DramaRobin2002 |
Unfortunately not every drama program has a staff that will make sure their cast is properly trained. Up until my junior year, my own high school program didn't even have a musical director and even then there wasn't a lot of one on one unless someone really sounded horrible in a song. I know there are exceptions to that but not every school deciding to do Wicked are going to be in that exception. Not to mention the lack of funding to pull off the brightest moments of the show. Even the best school drama programs in my area, including Truman High that was one of the first schools chosen to attempt Les Mis, would have difficulty pulling off some of the spectacle that makes Wicked what it is. | ||||||||
| MsDivaKate |
Oh God. Oh well at least in the future all of us voice therapists/speech pathologists will have a steady job.
I just cringe to think of high schoolers blowing their voices belting out Wicked. Those you tube videos are proof. I have a feeling the amount of young singers with vocal damage will be on the steady rise as more and more schools are attempting productions of Les Mis, Aida etc and other shows vocally out of high schoolers range. Even with the school edition of Les Mis you need some killer voices. My high school was one of the top music ed communities in the country for our program. They did Les Mis. They had amazing talent. Fantine still ended up with nodes. Despite what probably 97% of teenagers think, you're not belting correctly.They're just screaming and straining their throats. I learned this in college, where even though I'd had a voice teacher and supposedly a good one all throughout high school, I'd been belting wrong the entire time and it took a long time to reverse the damage it did on my voice. |
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| The Modern Art Movement |
I agree. But overall, I also believe that it's not a matter of hitting notes. It's a matter of maturity. Just like any old dance studio just can't up and do Swan Lake, not every drama club can do Wicked. Sure, you may have great vocalists, but the musical takes a great amount of determination and maturity. |
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| DramaRobin2002 |
I agree. I think many of the songs also require vocalists with more mature voices. |
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| theatrechick1993 |
I have heard of high schools doing concerts 4 it, but i haven't heard of doing actual shows of it. | ||||||||
| MsDivaKate |
Exactly. That is what I was trying to get at....maturity in the voice. I should have worded it a bit differently to discuss the underdevelopment of the voice at that age. |
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| Little_Nell |
I don't think Wicked should be released to schools... not only would they be trashing their voices, they'd probably trash the show too. Besides, it is a very adult show - if I'm finding Defying Gravity a bit of a challenge to sing at 22 then how on earth could some one any younger manage? That YouTube vid proves my point - that girl's voice is not developed enough to sing that particular song (let alone sing through the whole show!). | ||||||||
| EmmaOwnsBiatch |
If you think your highschool can pull off Wicked, please invite me to the performance so then when you're done I can refer you to some good voice therapists you morons. I cannot believe you wanna blow out your voices at 16 years old. Shows how much you really give two craps about your future as performers. Being in a musical isn't about being in the one you love or the one thats your favorite because living in the modern world OFCOURSE youre going to love Wicked, Rent, etc.. but I hate to be the one to give you all a smack in the face here, but the people who sing this stuff on BROADWAY, BROADWAY FOR GOD'S SAKE, are better than the majority of you will ever be in your lives. Therefore, if you actually have the ego to come on here and say that you can sing "Defying Gravity" and insult Idina Menzel that way, I pity you. Because when you get off that stage after the final performance and have no voice left, like I said, come find me, I'll give you a name of a good voice therapist, tell you that you're an idiot and it sucked, and send you on your way. Open your eyes. You are 16, you are just in the beginning stages of vocal development, and you probably suck. | ||||||||
| Tiny-Tot |
I think it would be a pretty elaborate show for highschool, but I guess it could be pulled off. You would also have to have a pretty strong vocal for Elphaba. But it is a long way off before this show lands in a highschool. | ||||||||
| MsDivaKate |
I just don't see it ever working. As people have stated we're 22 and 23 years old etc, have studied professionally and struggle with singing Defying Gravity and other songs from that show. |
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| happyguava |
Great one for self-esteem, that was.
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| MademoiselleMusicals |
^^
Yes, but good for hammering sense into people lol
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| Ep-Griz-Reno |
Yes and no. Yes for the HAMMERING...but it could have been a bit nicer in my opinion...honestly-I know some (pardon me, I never cuss, but) DAMN amazing people-and I can truly TRULY say they are broadway quality...both boys actually, so it doesn't quite go with the "defying gravity" threadddd hahaha...but I mean-if you hammer someone so hard about not being good enough, there will come a point when they wont try anymore. =/ |
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| happyguava |
Exactly!!! Mediocre singers unite! *is the only one in the group* Oh well... |
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| DramaRobin2002 |
Dude, harsh. And not completely true. Yes, I do agree that there will be many teenaged girls who need vocal therapy from trying to belt Defying Gravity before they're ready. But I know many girls who were fantastic at age 16. Not to the degree they are now, but at age 16 they sang better than some of the twenty year olds I know. Now, could they have handled Defying Gravity...who knows. |
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| Musical Fanatic!! |
AGREED!!!!! YOU ROCK MATE!!!!! |
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| MsDivaKate |
I believe what was said there is completely true. I knew some fantastic belters at 16...they all have voice issues now. It may sound ok but ultimately the vocal maturity and development is not ready at 16 to handle belting. They may sing better then some 20 year olds but its really hard to compare unless the 16 year old and 20 year old both had the same level of vocal study were of the same voice type and ability and such. Were those 16 years olds better then PROFESSIONAL people in their 20's who had studied for years in college...I bet not. |
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| EmmaOwnsBiatch |
sometimes harshness is the only way to get through to some people. I'm sick of everyone in freakin highschool thinking they can handle stylized music lke WICKED. Some people on this board really need a smack in the face and a good wake up call. Maybe that was it, and I hope you continue to read what I have to say because I can guarantee you that it will all be like that if you actually think that you can sing like Idina Menzel. Thanks for agreeing with me though everyone who has a brain
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| DramaRobin2002 |
None of our belters have any vocal issues now that I know of. We didn't have many good belters at all, only two that I can think of off the top of my head and they've both gone on to performing arts colleges. We mainly had terrific sopranos. I wasn't disagreeing at all that by performing Wicked or other high belting songs could hurt young girls' vocal chords. In fact, I've been arguing that same point most of this thread. I was simply saying that they may not be Broadway material yet but no, not everyone in high school sucks and that was a pretty harsh generalization to make no matter what kind of wake up call people on these boards need. |
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| MsDivaKate |
Oh no! Not everyone in high school sucks! I actually grew up with Emma and have been performing with her from the time we were 12 on up. We both went on to study voice on the college level, and for me, the professional level. My main argument and hers too, though she doesn't say it as neatly as I do lol, is that its just not healthy to be belting at 16 and such. Not everoyne in high school sucks, many don't, however they need to realize that they have a long long way to go before they will ever have the voice of a quality to be able to PROPERLY in terms of technique sing some of the songs they are attempting. I've always been a belter, though I studied legit technique first, and as much as I guarded my voice when I was younger (though my teacher was pretty poor) I ended up with some voice damage in college...basically I just wasn't belting properly. It sounded great.....but it was in fact doing damage to myself. My point is that no matter how great you think you may sound, 98% of high schoolers are NOT properly singing and why? Because the study of technique is not at an adequate level and your vocal chords have only begun to develop. Even into your early 20's your vocal chords are still young and will continue to mature on into your 30's. |
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| swmustang878 |
much better put!
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| qpidsangel |
Personally I liked the way Emma put it, and as her username states... she own'd all you girls. | ||||||||
| MsDivaKate |
True true. Emma and I actually good friends. I just have a way of being a little nicer with things. 
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| sadie1208 |
I don't think that it would be very good if a high school did it because it is complex and a hard show to do. | ||||||||
| TheNextTenMinutes |
Agreed. Many people are overlooking the fact that not many high-schoolers are decent enough actors to carry a dramatic show. You have to pull off some painfully underwritten character development and the majority of 16 year olds haven't had enough life experience and stage experience to be really captivating. Sorry, but it's true. | ||||||||
| sadie1208 |
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| MsDivaKate |
Agreed completely. |
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| EmmaOwnsBiatch |
Agreed. In music and dramatic aspects, Wicked is way beyond the years of the ability of many high schoolers. | ||||||||
| sadie1208 |
It would intersting though if a commuity theather decided to take on the challege. | ||||||||
| Pounce |
Why? A Wicked local production would have no effect on your life. |
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| Pounce |
Nothing about Wicked strikes me as being exceptionally difficult. Any school production for most shows have to be "dumbed down" a little and while the HS singers are not Broadway caliber, there are usually some fairly capable kids. If a school has two good female singers, that'll carry a Wicked production. The strength and number of female cast members in Wicked would make it an appealing choice considering the frequent shortage of boys. Not to mention its content is not as controversial as say RENT or Sweeney Todd.
I mean, there is Les Miserables School Edition. CATS is a difficult show but High Schools are tackling it. BatB has a lot of technical difficulties, but HS groups are doing it. It's doubtful anyone has the budget and talent to do Wicked like it is performed on Broadway, but one can say that for just about any show. A HS production will improvise as they always do to put on a show. |
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| MsDivaKate |
Many people who have posted the negativities of Wicked ever being released also have issues with Les Mis being a School Edition. Yes stepping back and looking at in in perspective the music in Wicked is not very challenging, however Defying Gravity can put amazing strain on the voice...especially if you get a 16 year old trying to sound EXACTLY like Idina Menzel. While BatB does have technical issues-costumes,sets,etc- the music is not rangey and is in more of a legit style of singing anyways. Therefore there's no risk of high schoolers killing themselves to sing it like there would be in something like Wicked or for high school boy's singing Val Jean. (even with the school edition) |
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| Musical Fanatic!! |
Could the Actress sing defying gravity without belting it????? and anyway, a school production would last what... a week or so???? hardly like Idina Menzel's long run on Broadway??? | ||||||||
| Pounce |
I really don't think Wicked is that complex and deep of a show. The issues the characters deal with, friendship, acceptance, rejection, empathy, doing what you think is right, being kind to animals, and most of all being popular, should be understandable to any high school student. In fact, I think the HS age group is among the show's biggest fans. |
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| Ep-Griz-Reno |
Good points...especially the second...I think that having the Elphaba NOT belt wouldn't give it very much impact, but it would DEFINETLY save a voice from straining it...and watching hs's on youtube a lot of the girls who sing it DO falsetto it...when I sing it, I belt it ((I'm 16))...but the second I feel like I'm straining or hurting, I stop. =) |
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| EmmaOwnsBiatch |
The problem is just what was said here. So many highschool aged children are Wicked's biggest fans therefore, they stylize their voice just like Idina's. And Idina Menzel's voice is not something that comes along every day.
And yes a highschool show would run about a week or so. But did you forget the months of practice that go into the show as well? Practicing "Defying Gravity" over and over with an attempt to sound like Idina will only result in horrific vocal damage. The music itself may not be difficult but the way that the songs were intended to be sung make it extremely challenging on vocal chords. Keep in mind that yes, you don't have to sing it just like Idina, but when you perform a musical its paying hommage and respect to those who wrote it. The writers of Wicked intended a power house voice such as Idina's to play the part of Elphaba. You will not find that same type of voice in a highschool anywhere. No one at the ages of 14-18 have that. Keep in mind Idina is much older than all of us and has had much more extensive training. None of us can sound like her. Out of respect to those who wrote Wicked, I believe that it should not even be attempted by high school aged children because simply they cannot do it justice. If you have any respect for the production of Wicked and it's writers, then I don't see how you would want the rights to be released to a high school so it can be brutally butchered. I don't see it ever coming to high school because those who would release it probably realize what a travesty it really would be. |
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| Pounce |
I really doubt the owners of the show's license have that sort of compunction. When the time is right, the rights will be released even to High Schools. I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with a Wicked School Edition in the meantime. |
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| MsDivaKate |
But even a School Edition won't save young girls from trying to scream. Do I ever see the rights being made available? Perhaps in the far far faaaar distant future. Will I like it? No. Should schools do it? No. Will they? Yes. Also whoever said something about girls falsetto-ing something. The female voice doesn't really have the falsetto that the male voice does. We may be forced to flip into complete head voice or a legit or a lighter style verses using our belt but we don't falsetto. As you begin to learn to transition over your vocal break you might think this sounds like falsetto, but in actually its not, its just making the transition into your upper passagi, which as you get older the placement of the passagi will change and the transition will be seemless-not sounding like you are transitioning at all. Some of us belt higher then others, some don't. However if you need to switch techniques in the middle of the song, you should not have been belting that song in the first place as it can sound a bit off. Stick to a mixed belt sound in those cases-which was discussed on another post. |
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| convict24601 |
^ Katie I couldn't agree more. The mix register is the "Healthy belt" and you will have a better chance at vocal longevity using this technique. Besides many pop stars use this method. Of cousre, how many high schoolers would understand this?
However, I always thought females have a falsetto. Isn't it a natural defence mechanism when you pull up too much tension and yell? (in both genders) |
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| MsDivaKate |
We have something similiar but its not really the same as the male falsetto. |
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| happyguava |
I have sung "Defying Gravity" in a mixed belt (now that I know what it is!!). It actually works quite well. Obviously I am not going to get on Broadway doing it, but it sits quite nicely in my belt/mixed belt voice. I have never strained it or anything, because I sing the "healthy" way. Not all us high school-ers are stupid enough to do damage to our voices
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| MsDivaKate |
No one ever said all, people have said many or most. However it is true that all high school students do not have vocal chords that are anywhere near mature yet. |
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| EmmaOwnsBiatch |
Yes and the problem lies in the students who do not realize what healthy singing is. The problem is the students who try to imitate Idina exactly an end up with extensive problems. | ||||||||
| DefyGravityWicked |
I must say, that's entirely true. If people know how to sing correctly, then a song as defying Gravity is simple. But you don't need to know how to sing properly to do it. It's doable.
And as for wicked being released. You're best shot to be Elphaba, is to do it in concert. That's legitimte too. |
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| Musical Fanatic!! |
Well said... |
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| DramaRobin2002 |
It's doable, but it can really screw up your vocal chords. Believe me, I don't pretend to know how to belt that song correctly so I avoid doing it but I was goofing around one day with my friends and without thinking let loose and did it. The result was that for over a month I couldn't sing half as high as I could before I had done it. And that was just by singing it incorrectly once. As for the concert thing...it's still illegal if you do more than three songs or so it in costumes similiar to the show. That's why there are rights available to do Les Mis and other shows in concert. You still have to buy them. |
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| swmustang878 |
I think Defying Gravity is a doable song for some. I'm a dude so obviously I don't sing it where it was meant to be sung, but I guess certain people can pull it off. We had a girl at my high school who did it and was amazing!!! I don't even mean like high school amazing, but she was like close to broadway amazing. Seriously. Anywho, I think unless you take voice lessons and have someone tell you that your voice would fit the song, just don't do it. Many girls would just tell themselves that they can do it right just to do this broadway smash hit song. There are the few exceptions though..... | ||||||||
| MsDivaKate |
The few that can do it well and should sing it, are rare. Extremely rare. |
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| pinkandgreen |
As a complete non-singer, could somebody explain to me what it is about "Defying Gravity" that makes it such an infamously difficult song compared to other Broadway songs? I truly know very little about vocal music (other than knowing what I like LOL) and my curiousity is piqued after the reading I've been doing on "Wicked" - DG's "danger potential" is mentioned quite frequently.
Thx! |
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| swmustang878 |
I am by no means a music scholar, but it's all about technique. When you pretty musch "scream" the end of that song your vocal cords get fried. If you sing it how it's meant to be sung, (i.e. with a belting type of singing but not too much belt) your pipes will be fine. That's pretty much it from what I understand. Many people disagree about whether Idina Menzel ruined her talent because of her "improper" belting while at the Gershwin. I guess we'll see how she does in London though!
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