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Mistress

Gunman Opens Fire on Army Base

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/msnbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=22520154

Sad

My prayers are with the injured and the families of the dead.
Yakko

It makes me wonder about the human race..... Sad
Beagle On Stage

Quote:
"I would say his death is not imminent."

I disagree.
kozafluitmusique

I read about it ...so shocking ...and sad.
Mademoiselle Lanoire

Beagle On Stage wrote:
Quote:
"I would say his death is not imminent."

I disagree.


Question Not quite sure what you mean by that. Do you happen to work at the hospital where he's being treated?
Beagle On Stage

Mademoiselle Lanoire wrote:
Question Not quite sure what you mean by that. Do you happen to work at the hospital where he's being treated?


What is likely to happen to a capital murderer in Texas?
Mistress

ANOTHER shooting less than a day after this one, this time in Orlando: http://news.ca.msn.com/photogallery.aspx?cp-documentid=22532354&page=2

What is this world coming to when we have 2 shootings two days in a row?
Yakko

Mistress wrote:
ANOTHER shooting less than a day after this one, this time in Orlando: http://news.ca.msn.com/photogallery.aspx?cp-documentid=22532354&page=2

What is this world coming to when we have 2 shootings two days in a row?




*sighs* Humans............... Rolling Eyes
wolfenflautist

It's sad that such things happen in this world. In a way, this is almost like how all those school shootings a couple of years ago were happening left and right. It better not be a repeat of those in this kind of thing.

My prayers are also with those families who lost loved ones in both incidents. It's extremely tragic that something like that can happen in an army base. Haven't these soldiers had enough to deal with overseas? It's bad enough. Why make them feel afraid to even come home?
Mademoiselle Lanoire

Beagle On Stage wrote:
Mademoiselle Lanoire wrote:
Question Not quite sure what you mean by that. Do you happen to work at the hospital where he's being treated?


What is likely to happen to a capital murderer in Texas?


I wouldn't call that "imminent". Executions usually take place at least five years later...
Beagle On Stage

As death goes, I think five years is pretty imminent for a guy in his thirties.
Dax

Truthout spoke with an Army Specialist who is an active-duty Iraq war veteran currently stationed at the base. The soldier spoke on condition of anonymity since the base is now on “lockdown,” and all “non-authorized” military personnel on the base have been ordered not to speak to the press.

Low morale, Depression, Post traumatic stress disorder, and sending soldiers back to hot zones without treatment...well, I should wonder if anyone in the military would be surprised at all.
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Mademoiselle Lanoire

Since he's never been deployed, I wonder just how he's supposed to be suffering from "post-traumatic stress disorder."
Pounce

Dax wrote:
Truthout spoke with an Army Specialist who is an active-duty Iraq war veteran currently stationed at the base. The soldier spoke on condition of anonymity since the base is now on “lockdown,” and all “non-authorized” military personnel on the base have been ordered not to speak to the press.

Low morale, Depression, Post traumatic stress disorder, and sending soldiers back to hot zones without treatment...well, I should wonder if anyone in the military would be surprised at all.
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truthout.org is political and has an agenda.
Mademoiselle Lanoire

Pounce wrote:
Dax wrote:
Truthout spoke with an Army Specialist who is an active-duty Iraq war veteran currently stationed at the base. The soldier spoke on condition of anonymity since the base is now on “lockdown,” and all “non-authorized” military personnel on the base have been ordered not to speak to the press.

Low morale, Depression, Post traumatic stress disorder, and sending soldiers back to hot zones without treatment...well, I should wonder if anyone in the military would be surprised at all.
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truthout.org is political and has an agenda.


It's not so much that they have an agenda that concerns me - it's the fact that they're talking in general about the possibility of mental health issues in soldiers returning from combat and dancing around the fact that this guy was never deployed in the first place.

If he has PTSD (which I highly doubt) I'd like to know how he came to be that way. Friends of his say he was targeted by racist remarks, but I doubt that would be enough to do the trick.
Dax

Pounce wrote:
Dax wrote:
Truthout spoke with an Army Specialist who is an active-duty Iraq war veteran currently stationed at the base. The soldier spoke on condition of anonymity since the base is now on “lockdown,” and all “non-authorized” military personnel on the base have been ordered not to speak to the press.

Low morale, Depression, Post traumatic stress disorder, and sending soldiers back to hot zones without treatment...well, I should wonder if anyone in the military would be surprised at all.
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truthout.org is political and has an agenda.


Really? And what's their agenda?

Mademoiselle Lanoire wrote:
It's not so much that they have an agenda that concerns me - it's the fact that they're talking in general about the possibility of mental health issues in soldiers returning from combat and dancing around the fact that this guy was never deployed in the first place.

If he has PTSD (which I highly doubt) I'd like to know how he came to be that way. Friends of his say he was targeted by racist remarks, but I doubt that would be enough to do the trick.


I didn't know you were a psychiatrist/psychologist.
Confused
Mademoiselle Lanoire

Are you a psychiatrist? Is the writer of the article one?

We're all basing our conclusions on second-hand information. None of us has had this guy on a couch. But I'm curious what information is out there that conflicts with my conclusion - specific information about the shooter, not the military in general. If he has PTSD (or some other mental health issue), what is it, and how did he get that way?
Mademoiselle Lanoire

Possible causes of PTSD:

Quote:
Traumatic events that are experienced directly include, but are not limited to, military combat, violent personal assault (sexual assault, physical attack, robbery, mugging), being kidnapped, being taken hostage, terrorist attack, torture, incarceration as a prisoner of war or in a concentration camp, natural or manmade disasters, severe automobile accidents, or being diagnosed with a life-threatening illness.


I'm curious if any of these (or similar events) are applicable in his case.
Dax

When Soldiers Snap

But even in this absence of certainty, his case invites a look at the long history of psychiatric medicine in war, if only because of his status as a battlefield psychiatrist, and the chance that his own psyche was, on some level, undone by the kind of stress he treated.

In World War I, the disorder was known as shell shock, and the soldiers who fell victim were at first believed to have concussions from exploding munitions. Their symptoms appeared neurological: They included trembling, paralysis, a loss of sight or hearing.

Yet it turned out that some affected soldiers had been nowhere near an exploding shell, suggesting “that the syndrome could arise in anticipation of going into a stressful situation,” said Dr. Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard and an expert on traumatic stress.

Time will tell...
Cool
Beagle On Stage

Mademoiselle Lanoire wrote:
None of us has had this guy on a couch.


God, I wish Blanche Deveraux was a poster here.
Pounce

Dax wrote:
Pounce wrote:
Dax wrote:
Truthout spoke with an Army Specialist who is an active-duty Iraq war veteran currently stationed at the base. The soldier spoke on condition of anonymity since the base is now on “lockdown,” and all “non-authorized” military personnel on the base have been ordered not to speak to the press.

Low morale, Depression, Post traumatic stress disorder, and sending soldiers back to hot zones without treatment...well, I should wonder if anyone in the military would be surprised at all.
.

truthout.org is political and has an agenda.


Really? And what's their agenda?

Liberal/"Progressive" As if you didn't know. Rolling Eyes And I become suspicious of sources with sanctimonious titles like "truthout".
Pounce

Dax wrote:
When Soldiers Snap

But even in this absence of certainty, his case invites a look at the long history of psychiatric medicine in war, if only because of his status as a battlefield psychiatrist, and the chance that his own psyche was, on some level, undone by the kind of stress he treated.

In World War I, the disorder was known as shell shock, and the soldiers who fell victim were at first believed to have concussions from exploding munitions. Their symptoms appeared neurological: They included trembling, paralysis, a loss of sight or hearing.

Yet it turned out that some affected soldiers had been nowhere near an exploding shell, suggesting “that the syndrome could arise in anticipation of going into a stressful situation,” said Dr. Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard and an expert on traumatic stress.

Time will tell...
Cool

That only suggests that the reaction to an anticipated stressful situation is to withdraw into oneself i.e. trembling, paralysis, and loss of sight or hearing.

That NYT story also writes
NYT wrote:
Much is unknown about Major Hasan’s motives. He is said to have dreaded deployment, but what he feared is unclear. And officials have not ruled out the possibility that his actions were premeditated or political. One report had him shouting something like “Allahu Akhbar” — Arabic for “God is Great” — before the shooting.

Which is another possibility and a possibility that truthout didn't suggest. The truthout story only suggests it was the military's fault.
Dax

Well, I must say that your reading comprehension never fails to both amuse and astound me.
It's almost as if you're still trying to learn the English language...
Laughing

It will likely be awhile before the military determines the reason why this man snapped.
Cool

Hmm...And in a completely unrelated note:

Last Tuesday, District 23 went Democrat for the first time in nearly 150 years.

Healthcare Reform looks like will be passing before the years ends...a rather historic occasion.
Wink
Beagle On Stage

Dax wrote:
It will likely be awhile before the military determines the reason why this man snapped.
Cool


Meanwhile, I'm sure the libs will figure out why he isn't responsible for his actions and let us know.
Dax

Beagle On Stage wrote:
Dax wrote:
It will likely be awhile before the military determines the reason why this man snapped.
Cool


Meanwhile, I'm sure the libs will figure out why he isn't responsible for his actions and let us know.


And I'm sure your intelligence will again prove to be refreshingly stunted where the truth is concerned.

If you know something the rest of us, including the military, doesn't know feel free to let us all know.
Smile
Beagle On Stage

I know you can't carry on a civil conversation about current events effectively because you don't have an independent thought in your head so you hide behind extensive quotation from other sources that no one even bothers to read instead of speaking for yourself, and then resort to personal attacks every time someone says something you don't like. But I guess that doesn't even come close to counting as something everyone doesn't already know.
Mademoiselle Lanoire

You're assuming he "snapped" in the first place. But I don't see the evidence as pointing that way. I'm in the "planned terrorist attack" camp. He attended the same mosque as the WTC hijackers, apparently. He was getting rid of his possessions before the attack. And he was shouting "Allahu akbar" as he carried out his shooting attempt. There are currently investigations as to whether he was in contact with al-Qaeda operatives.
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