DramaFreak84
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Deaths in Into the WoodsIn Into toe Woods, do the princes die at the end? because its says "The Giant is killed and the dead in the community appear as ghosts, joining in a pronouncement of the moral lessons learned from the experience in the woods"in the MTI synopsis and the princes come out in the middle of everyone else that dies too. I always figured the Cinderella's family and the steward died on the way to the hidden kingdom. But do the princes die too? I would have stuck this in the Into the Woods Forum but I always get a better response in here. Thanks in advance,
Drama Freak
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mizzie
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I don't think that they do. The ending of their stories are sort of terrible. "I cheated on my wife, so she left me, and now I'm dating my mistress." "My wife was killed by a giant's foot, so now I'm dating my mistress!" So, I don't think that they're dead, but that their living their lives as vain princes. "I was born to be charming, not sincere," is sort of their excuse for not being loyal to their wives. I'm a pessimist about it, I know, but I think that Sondheim was trying to show us about their true personality, and about the true personalities of others.
♪Michelle♪
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Kad
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By the end of the show, the following are dead:
Rapunzel
Jack's Mother
Baker's Wife
Mysterious Man/Baker's Father
Little Red's Grandmother
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mizzie
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Also....I wouldn't trust MTI synopsis. It sort of has StageAgent.com syndrome....nice for reference, but not always correct.
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LoneWanderer
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| Kad wrote: | By the end of the show, the following are dead:
Rapunzel
Jack's Mother
Baker's Wife
Mysterious Man/Baker's Father
Little Red's Grandmother |
And the narrator... and the giant... and the giants wife...and the witch...and the wolf. I too always assumed the royal family died (especially with there lines in the finale).
~The Lone Wanderer
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Kevinm1986
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| LoneWanderer wrote: | | Kad wrote: | By the end of the show, the following are dead:
Rapunzel
Jack's Mother
Baker's Wife
Mysterious Man/Baker's Father
Little Red's Grandmother |
And the narrator... and the giant... and the giants wife...and the witch...and the wolf. I too always assumed the royal family died (especially with there lines in the finale).
~The Lone Wanderer |
And the audience (by suicide).
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Descartes
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How does the Witch die?
Des.
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LoneWanderer
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| Descartes wrote: | How does the Witch die?
Des. |
Well during last midnight she kinda just disappears with a lovely high screamy thing. I'm just assuming that counts as dead.
~The Lone Wanderer
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Kad
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I was only counting characters that re-appeared at the end.
Besides, no one cares about the giants and the wolf.
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Mel AKA Maureen
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| Kad wrote: | I was only counting characters that re-appeared at the end.
Besides, no one cares about the giants and the wolf. |
I care about the wolf!! He is teh sex, I mean come one, "Hello Little Girl" kicks some major ass!
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Descartes
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I love his lack of pants in the OBC video.
Des.
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Mel AKA Maureen
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| Descartes wrote: | I love his lack of pants in the OBC video.
Des. |
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmhm! OW OW!! 
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BroadwayBud
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[quote="Kad"]I was only counting characters that re-appeared at the end.
Besides, no one cares about the giants and the wolf.[/quote]
"Why don't you ask a wolf's mother!"
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Kevinm1986 wrote: |
And the audience (by suicide). |
What the!!! You don't like Into the Woods? Are you insane man!!
Also, they do lead you to believe that the royal family does die. Especially with lines like "and eat first". I'ts all speculation I guess.
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wicked_diva
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I still want to believe that the royal family does not die. I was the stepmother. I think I lived. My "husband" and "steward" disagree...
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LoneWanderer
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| Descartes wrote: | I love his lack of pants in the OBC video.
Des. |
You've got a little bit of your fathers instinct for canines I see.
~The Lone Wanderer
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Desperado
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I always thought the Royal Family lived as well. I just thought they were lost in the woods somewhere.
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The REAL Ciaron
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| Desperado wrote: | | I always thought the Royal Family lived as well. I just thought they were lost in the woods somewhere. |
DOn't they die in the Grimm tale? I honestly don't know if they live or die. It is never proven either way.
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Descartes
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| LoneWanderer wrote: | | Descartes wrote: | I love his lack of pants in the OBC video.
Des. |
You've got a little bit of your fathers instinct for canines I see.
~The Lone Wanderer |
Um no...........?
Des.
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Mel AKA Maureen
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| Descartes wrote: | | LoneWanderer wrote: | | Descartes wrote: | I love his lack of pants in the OBC video.
Des. |
You've got a little bit of your fathers instinct for canines I see.
~The Lone Wanderer |
Um no...........?
Des. |
Hahaha, you know it my ex-lover-now-brother Des, dear.
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RainbowJude
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Deaths in ITW | DramaFreak84 wrote: | | In Into the Woods, do the princes die at the end? ....I always figured the Cinderella's family and the steward died on the way to the hidden kingdom.... |
I don't think that the Princes or Cinderella's family die. And I don't think the Witch dies either. I think she disappears from the other characters' plane of reality into a plane of magic realism when she goes to join her mother, and that's something completely different. This has nothing to do with being alive or dead; rather, it is a space in between reality and fantasy.
Later days
David
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Guest
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I've always thought the royal family dies, their lines "when going to hide, know how to get there... and how to get back... and eat first" seems to be stating that they didn't know how to get to the hidden kingdom, they couldn't find their way back and they starved to death. But its arguable!
The princes i always thought lived, when they come out in the finale its scripted they say, "the harder to wake, the better have" meaning they woke up their mistresses and now they're finally able to have their affairs with them.
The production i did of into the woods, i was rapunzel's prince and the director chose to use the words from the revival "the higher the throne, the longer the fall" which has connatations of the princes dying.... but i never felt that rapunzel's prince got as caught up in the whole royal politics for that line to apply to him. i guess we did a contemp version where my rapunzel's prince was a rebelious junkie... hmmm
As for the witch, i never took it as her dying, but the witch choosing to be perhaps banished? Or something similar, i don't know.... but it then ties in at the end when she starts singing children will listen straight after the baker's wife noone is alone reprise and all the dead people who learnt their lessons along the way join in. hmmm... this whole witch section isnt very articulate... perhaps ignore that one!
Timmmmmmmmmy!
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what_the_heck013
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Yes, the witch most definitely does NOT die. At the end of Act 1, she loses Rapunzel and her magic. At the end of Act 2, she loses her insanity. Well, actually she becomes very misunderstood, but somwhere between "Last Midnight" and "Children Will Listen" she undergoes counceling with Dr. Sondheim, in which she learns the advice that "Children Will Listen".
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RainbowJude
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Children Will Listen | what_the_heck013 wrote: | | (S)omwhere between "Last Midnight" and "Children Will Listen" she undergoes counceling with Dr. Sondheim, in which she learns the advice that "Children Will Listen". |
I don't think the jump is that unreasonable for the character. Obviously, "Children Will Listen" is arguably a case of the author's voice intruding into the play, but I think the ideas in the song are simmering beneath all of the Witch's actions - the obvious clue to that is in her exchange with Rapunzel after the Witch finds out about the Prince. By the end of the play, she's just found a way to articulate her thoughts in a more socially acceptable manner - just as the other characters do. I have a greater problem with this character singing this song as a character number at this point in the play as far as dramatic structure is concerned.
Later days
David
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The REAL Ciaron
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Re: Deaths in ITW | RainbowJude wrote: | I think she disappears from the other characters' plance of reality when she goes to join her mother
Later days
David |
In other words she dies? =)
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B3TA07
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1) What the h--- is plance?
2) I think the witch is dead and giving advice just like Baker's Wife does with "No One Is Alone ( Reprise )." The fact that no one onstage acknowledges or interacts with her show's that she's simply a spirit. At the same time, just because she's onstage ( same with Baker's Wife here ) doesn't mean that they are ghosts. They could be visual representations of the living character's memories of what they said while they were alive. And I think the Witch kills herself at the end of "Last Midnight."
Be it known I haven't watched the DVD in a while. I have the published libretto, though, and referred to it.
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what_the_heck013
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B3TA07, That's very true. I hadn't thought of that and RainbowJude, the line about counceling was a JOKE!
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DramaFreak84
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Thanks for all the help guys! I myself consider that the royal family dies but the princes thats another story. I like the changing of their lines to "the higher the throne the farther the fall." but my qeustion is did you still have a Snow White and Sleeping Beauty because even though they have one line half the girls in the school already want the part becuase its Snow White and Sleeping Beauty.
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RainbowJude
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Typo / Meaningful | B3TA07 wrote: | | What the h--- is plance? |
It's a typo. Apologies. Scroll up; I've fixed it.
| what_the_heck013 wrote: | | RainbowJude, the line about counceling was a JOKE! |
Yes, I know, I got it. But I think it was a joke that brought up a point.
Later days
David
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The REAL Ciaron
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Re: Conceding the point... | RainbowJude wrote: | | plane of magic realism. |
The B**** is DEAD!!
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ConverseSneaker
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List of Dead Charecters(and sometimes why)
Wolf
Mysterious Man
Little Red's Mother(we never meet her, but she dies)
Narrator
Rapunzel
Jack's Mother
Royal Family*(Including Steward, Not Including the Princes)
Baker's Wife
Witch(Killed herself)
Granny
Giant
That makes 18 dead by the end.
*Has anyone else ever noticed at the end, the stepsister aren't wearing the glasses and canes?And they talk about getting lost, and starving. I think they all died.
I had to check my script for this. I'm lucky to live till the end!
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what_the_heck013
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| ConverseSneaker wrote: | Wolf
Mysterious Man
Little Red's Mother(we never meet her, but she dies)
Narrator
Rapunzel
Jack's Mother
Royal Family*(Including Steward, Not Including the Princes)
Baker's Wife
Witch(Killed herself)
Granny
Giant
That makes 18 dead by the end.
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Wait, does it say this in the script? How do you justify that Little Red's Mother died? And Rapunzel. When does she die?
Here's another way to look at the Finale: You could almost say that it's not part of the story. It's just a chance for all the actors to come back and sing. Does that make sense?
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Kad
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It is VERY clear in the story that Rapuzel dies. She runs shrieking off stage, we hear a squish, we hear some anguish from the Witch.
And it's implied Red's mother died.
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Desperado
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THE WITCH IS DEAD
SHE FELL INTO THE GROUND
SHE MELTED
WITCHES MELT WHEN THEY DIE
ITS A PROVEN FACT
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The REAL Ciaron
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Anyone standing behind Jack, Little Red, Cinderella, Baker are dead!! DEAD!!!
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mizzie
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| Desperado wrote: | THE WITCH IS DEAD
SHE FELL INTO THE GROUND
SHE MELTED
WITCHES MELT WHEN THEY DIE
ITS A PROVEN FACT |
I'll need a 500 word essay proving this point by Monday.
Class dismissed.
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what_the_heck013
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| Desperado wrote: | | ITS A PROVEN FACT |
No, in WICKED <3 (my fav) elphubuh dus not dye from melting in da end. LOL.
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ConverseSneaker
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Little Red's mother does die, or else she wouldn't have left home in the first place.
Quote from the script:
"Oh I'm moving in with Granny. we had an accident too. I came home to find our house collapsed. As if a big wind blew it in. I couldn't find my mother anywhere."
And Later
"It was you who destroyed our house, not a great wind! It's because of you, I've no mother!"
At the end of the play, Red and Jack go live with Cindy and Baker because now they are both homeless orphans.
As for the Witch it can be assumed either way that she died or that she simply left to start her life over with her mother. In Wicked the book, she died, but in the musical she doesn't(I believe, I haven't seen the musical yet, but I've read the script)
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The REAL Ciaron
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| ConverseSneaker wrote: | Little Red's mother does die, or else she wouldn't have left home in the first place.
Quote from the script:
"Oh I'm moving in with Granny. we had an accident too. I came home to find our house collapsed. As if a big wind blew it in. I couldn't find my mother anywhere."
And Later
"It was you who destroyed our house, not a great wind! It's because of you, I've no mother!"
At the end of the play, Red and Jack go live with Cindy and Baker because now they are both homeless orphans.
As for the Witch it can be assumed either way that she died or that she simply left to start her life over with her mother. In Wicked the book, she died, but in the musical she doesn't(I believe, I haven't seen the musical yet, but I've read the script) |
All you really needed to quote was "Mother cannot guide you. Now you're on your own"
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Guest
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
All you really needed to quote was "Mother cannot guide you. Now you're on your own" |
If they hadn't said Red's mother was dead in the first place, you would have naturally asumed that "on your own" meant that they were simply seperated somehow.
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Guest
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
All you really needed to quote was "Mother cannot guide you. Now you're on your own" |
If they hadn't said Red's mother was dead in the first place, you would have naturally asumed that "on your own" meant that they were simply seperated somehow.
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Guest
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| The REAL Ciaron wrote: |
All you really needed to quote was "Mother cannot guide you. Now you're on your own" |
If they hadn't said Red's mother was dead in the first place, you would have naturally asumed that "on your own" meant that they were simply seperated somehow.
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what_the_heck013
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I am very sorry. You are right, ConverseSneaker. Oh and by the way, the line about Wicked was a generalizing joke.
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ConverseSneaker
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Aargh, my computer said I was a guest and repeated my post*whacks ancient junk of hardware* Sorry, people my computer's insane and was made about 40 years ago. It insits today is still Jaunary 1st 1996 around 1 in the moring every day. It's more nuts than I am.
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Yeslek
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Re: Deaths in ITWI think that Sondheim would have seen the Royal family still alive, still living their lives in vain and in vanity. Though someone else brings up a good point about the stepsisters not having their glasses and canes in the finale, I think the last song serves more as an old-fashioned moral-of-the-story to-do than a literal part of the plot. I suppose there are good cases to be made either way.
The Princes DEFINITELY do not die because they hook up with Sleeping Beauty and Snow White.
As for the witch:
"Back to long ago.
Back to what I know.
Safe inside the world that I'm from!
Better ugly and spurned with my powers returned
And I fear
Midnight's here
Time to disappear!
Mother, here I come!"
She's not committing suicide, but she is leaving this life behind. She's found living among humanity to be too altogether painful, and so she could be going to that "plane of magic realism"... she could also be going literally "back to long ago". Besides, how do we know that she CAN die?
So the dead characters are, in my humble opinion:
Rapunzel
The Wolf
Red's Mother
Jack's Mother
Baker's Wife
BOTH Giants
Cinderella's Mother (obviously)
Narrator
Granny
Mysterious Man
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