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Laura

de crazified version of my earlier rant

well, i have no singing or drama teacher, basically coz there are none left in my area, they have all taught my all they know (helpful, i know). so, i want to learn to belt and i gather that its a teaching thing but if there are any tips you could give me that'd be great.

also, any drama/acting techniques would be great. i was thinking of a monolgogue but need some to do, and a source to get them from.

any help or tips would be great, thanks.
metaphor17

Re: de crazified version of my earlier rant

defying_gravity wrote:
well, i have no singing or drama teacher, basically coz there are none left in my area, they have all taught my all they know (helpful, i know). so, i want to learn to belt and i gather that its a teaching thing but if there are any tips you could give me that'd be great.

also, any drama/acting techniques would be great. i was thinking of a monolgogue but need some to do, and a source to get them from.

any help or tips would be great, thanks.



DON'T TRY TO TEACH YOURSELF BELT!!! YOU WILL HURT YOUR VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot stress this enough. I have several friends with ruined voices from learning belt incorrectly.
Quique

I've never understood how someone can permanently "ruin" their voice over belting wrong. I can see how one can sing incorrectly or sound horrid but why do so many people warn against it having permanent consequences?

Not doubting the claims nor condoning improper belting without professional guidance. Just curious.
happyguava

Yup amen to that.

If you want some monologues go onto the websites for NIDA, WAAPA and VCA - all have audition monologues you can download.
metaphor17

Quique wrote:
I've never understood how someone can permanently "ruin" their voice over belting wrong. I can see how one can sing incorrectly or sound horrid but why do so many people warn against it having permanent consequences?

Not doubting the claims nor condoning improper belting without professional guidance. Just curious.



if you try too hard without proper breath support, breathing technique, etc. you may strain your poor little vocal chords. also, if you use purely chest voice for belt, you CAN have vocal damage.

some also think improper belting causes nodules, but it's not proven...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_(music)

that has some details
Quique

But can the damage be permanent? That was really my main question, cause I hear waaaay too many people warn that untrained belting will "ruin one's voice FOREVER!!!" (not referring to you, btw) But I guess nodules can cause permament damage though and can be devasting to a singer due to the surgery and recovery time.

I guess people mostly mean that untrained belting can "ruin" your voice as it's often hard to overcome bad habits. Or some people may be oblivious to their errors and think they sound good when they actual are doing it all wrong. But I don't think most untrained belters can cause severe life-long physical damage to their vocal chords over trial and error. I could be wrong. I was just curious as I am no singing expert and have always thought it strange that people claim that all the time.

People have used Idina Menzel as an example of someone who has permanently ruined her voice forever due to belting it out wrong in Wicked - claims I think are full of sh*t. She can obviously still sing wonderfully. And whatever weak performances she may have done that signaled to others she ruined her voice were merely just off nights or TEMPORARY vocal strain which is something normal.
metaphor17

Quique wrote:
But can the damage be permanent? That was really my main question, cause I hear waaaay too many people warn that untrained belting will "ruin one's voice FOREVER!!!" (not referring to you, btw) But I guess nodules can cause permament damage though and can be devasting to a singer due to the surgery and recovery time.

I guess people mostly mean that untrained belting can "ruin" your voice as it's often hard to overcome bad habits. Or some people may be oblivious to their errors and think they sound good when they actual are doing it all wrong. But I don't think most untrained belters can cause severe life-long physical damage to their vocal chords over trial and error. I could be wrong. I was just curious as I am no singing expert and have always thought it strange that people claim that all the time.

People have used Idina Menzel as an example of someone who has permanently ruined her voice forever due to belting it out wrong in Wicked - claims I think are full of sh*t. She can obviously still sing wonderfully. And whatever weak performances she may have done that signaled to others she ruined her voice were merely just off nights or TEMPORARY vocal strain which is something normal.


totally agree with you about temporary vocal strain and such...
the only evidence I have to support permanent vocal damage is one of my friends, who was known as a very young child as a belter. she was really loud, didn't sound too horrendous, got parts.

in her early teen years, she started to discover that her voice no longer "worked"... now she can't sing at all save a few scratchy notes. she's given up musicals.

when she was a young child she didn't have a vocal coach and taught herself to belt... she thinks it is lack of proper training
Quique

Omg...that's terrible. It's like a horror story. I'm one of those people who never had training and taught myself to belt and basically sing. I have a way to go as I still detect flaws in my singing and I'm very sure proper training will iron out all of those flaws. I guess I'm too old now ( 28 ) to go about ruining my voice like that as I've been singing without training for years and my voice isn't "ruined" in any way. I have lots of very bad habits, but that's a completely different thing.

My heart goes out to your friend!
metaphor17

oh, my friend's doing all right, she's living in LA with her agent now and she's having a great time Very Happy so that turned out for the best, I suppose

maybe she was just a rare exception... delicate vocal chords or something
Robinflamingo

metaphor17 wrote:
oh, my friend's doing all right, she's living in LA with her agent now and she's having a great time Very Happy so that turned out for the best, I suppose

maybe she was just a rare exception... delicate vocal chords or something


...and sometimes getting it fixed is just as hazardous. I had my vocal cords stripped and had to be totally silent for 6 weeks (ever had an argument with a Magnadoodle?) but my voice totally came back. My friend Mimi's voice never did, post surgery. The hack cut her, and she's permanently raspy. She is a vocal music teacher, by the way. Which has become much more difficult.
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