dancejazz7
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Curtain CallI'm just wondering what the normal curtain call order is for this show...
We are doing it at my school this summer and am just not really sure what to expect. I'm playing the Baker's Wife. Ahh! I'm so excited!!
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Mungojerrie_rt
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The one I saw she was third last, followed by Baker and then the Witch. Milky white got the final bow, after the orchestra and the stage crew.
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dancejazz7
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I didn't mean it as where would I be in the curtain call, but what is the regular order for the whole cast...
or what do you think it should be??
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ConverseSneaker
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We did it the same as the DVD, but altered slightly because except for the Narrator/MM, we didn't double any roles
First the trees(we had four kids left over when the casting was done and we aren't allowed to cut)
Snow White and Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella's Mother and the Giant
Milky White
Granny and the Wolf
Stepsisters and the Steward
Cinderella's FAther and Stepmother
Rapunzel and her Prince
Jack's Mother
Jack
Little Red Riding Hood
Cinderella's Prince
Narrator/MM
Cinderella
Baker's Wife
Baker
Witch
I think that is right anyways.
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The Drama Queen
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I think on the DVD Rapunzel bowed by herself, and the Princes came out together. It makes more sense to have Cinderella's Prince come out by himself though since his part is larger.
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Apples2for10
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Correction; on the DVD, Granny/Cindy's Mother/Giant, Rapunzel, and Rapunzel's Prince bow together. Cindy's Prince/Wolf bows by himself. 
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ConverseSneaker
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Brian is right. Granny took her bow with Rapunzel and her Prince because with the addition of Cindy's Mother-in-the-tree and the Giantess, her role is equal.
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The Drama Queen
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Ok, thats right. I'd forgotten how its been since I've actually watched the OBC! 
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Luc
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| Mungojerrie_rt wrote: | | The one I saw she was third last, followed by Baker and then the Witch. Milky white got the final bow, after the orchestra and the stage crew. |
After the whaaaaa?
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ConverseSneaker
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^You know, when the cast gestures to the pit and to the techies?
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Luc
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| ConverseSneaker wrote: | | ^You know, when the cast gestures to the pit and to the techies? |
By the sounds of it though, it seems like the tech crew and the orchestra actually got to bow.  I've heard of the tech crew bowing, which is tacky enough, but having the orchestra bow is just weird. Unless they're onstage for some reason.
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Mungojerrie_rt
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The Witch gestured to the orchestra pit, and the conductor waved. The Techs were on the control box ledge above and behind the audience. The same happened with CATS with the same theatre company. The musicians and the tech crew work just as had as the cast.
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Luc
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| Mungojerrie_rt wrote: | | The Witch gestured to the orchestra pit, and the conductor waved. The Techs were on the control box ledge above and behind the audience. The same happened with CATS with the same theatre company. The musicians and the tech crew work just as had as the cast. |
Oh ok, I thought you meant they actually went onstage and bowed. There's no denying that they work just as hard, but I thought it was really tacky to have them bow. I get it now.
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mezzo_soprano
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In my company the techies do bow. They come out first then Leave before the cast does. Then our cast comes out. For Narnia, they came out through the wardrobe!
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The Drama Queen
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Our school has the techies come out onstage after everyone else, and I can't say that I've ever liked it. I know they "work just as hard" and all, but when you think about it, the techies didn't go through an audition, or go through the hours and hours of rehearsals like the actors did. And isn't the bow for the actors to "submit" themselves to the audience anyways? Thanking them for coming? Now don't get me wrong- I'm cool with the gesturing to the orchastra pit, and even to the light booth- but techies actually coming out onstage? It just doesn't seem right. I find that most veteren techies that I've worked with don't even WANT to go onstage. They're perfectly happy being in the wings, out the spotlight, which is why a lot of people become theatre techies in the first place.
just my $.02...
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Joshua
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| The Drama Queen wrote: |
Our school has the techies come out onstage after everyone else, and I can't say that I've ever liked it. I know they "work just as hard" and all, but when you think about it, the techies didn't go through an audition, or go through the hours and hours of rehearsals like the actors did.... |
Are you kidding me? Being both a show designer and a performer, I can honestly say that designing and building a show is much more work and is much more exhausting than being in a show. AND we "techies" go through just as many "hours and hours" as performers, if not more. Setting up the show, setting the lights, and running cues is so much more work than you think.
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The Drama Queen
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| Joshua wrote: | | The Drama Queen wrote: |
Our school has the techies come out onstage after everyone else, and I can't say that I've ever liked it. I know they "work just as hard" and all, but when you think about it, the techies didn't go through an audition, or go through the hours and hours of rehearsals like the actors did.... |
Are you kidding me? Being both a show designer and a performer, I can honestly say that designing and building a show is much more work and is much more exhausting than being in a show. AND we "techies" go through just as many "hours and hours" as performers, if not more. Setting up the show, setting the lights, and running cues is so much more work than you think. |
I was talking about mainly at my high school...the techies who bowed didn't start coming to rehearsals until 2 days before we opened. The set designer (who was our director), lighting designer, and stage manager (who called/set all the cues) were among the ones who chose not to bow.
I have no doubt that for normal fully-staged musicals the techies put in a lot of work...but then those are normally the shows where they don't have the techies bow....?
It kind of doesn't make sense.
So if the techies do so much work, and obviously the show would NOT go on without them, why is it that so many actors/directors have a problem with them bowing??? (I'm asking this as an honest question, because I really don't get it.)
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ChrisFitzpatrick
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When I did it, my director moved my curtain call way back.
Snow White and Sleeping Beauty
The Wolf
Granny
Stepsisters and the Steward
Cinderella's FAther and Stepmother
Rapunzel and her Prince
Cinderella's Prince
Cinderella's Mother and the Giant
Jack's Mother
Jack
Little Red Riding Hood
Narrator/MM
Cinderella
Baker's Wife
Witch
Baker
Cinderella's Mother/Giant was the directors daughter. The Narrator was the director...
EDIT: Fixed.
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music is my life!!!
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^ that sounds like something my company might do! lol
actually, they're very good with curtain calls, but the chorus alsways goes first, and all we get is a measley round of applause... even though we've had the harder job than the principals who aren't in envy of someone who go the part they'd DREAMED of...
i'm not complaining though...
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dancejazz7
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umm.....I think you have Cinderella's mother on their twice....
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Joshua
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| The Drama Queen wrote: | | Joshua wrote: | | The Drama Queen wrote: |
Our school has the techies come out onstage after everyone else, and I can't say that I've ever liked it. I know they "work just as hard" and all, but when you think about it, the techies didn't go through an audition, or go through the hours and hours of rehearsals like the actors did.... |
Are you kidding me? Being both a show designer and a performer, I can honestly say that designing and building a show is much more work and is much more exhausting than being in a show. AND we "techies" go through just as many "hours and hours" as performers, if not more. Setting up the show, setting the lights, and running cues is so much more work than you think. |
I was talking about mainly at my high school...the techies who bowed didn't start coming to rehearsals until 2 days before we opened. The set designer (who was our director), lighting designer, and stage manager (who called/set all the cues) were among the ones who chose not to bow.
I have no doubt that for normal fully-staged musicals the techies put in a lot of work...but then those are normally the shows where they don't have the techies bow....?
It kind of doesn't make sense.
So if the techies do so much work, and obviously the show would NOT go on without them, why is it that so many actors/directors have a problem with them bowing??? (I'm asking this as an honest question, because I really don't get it.) |
I'm not saying we should get a bow. I just had a problem with the bold-faced statement above.
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Baker
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| Joshua wrote: | | The Drama Queen wrote: | | Joshua wrote: | | The Drama Queen wrote: |
Our school has the techies come out onstage after everyone else, and I can't say that I've ever liked it. I know they "work just as hard" and all, but when you think about it, the techies didn't go through an audition, or go through the hours and hours of rehearsals like the actors did.... |
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I'm not saying we should get a bow. I just had a problem with the bold-faced statement above. |
To explain a little bit more clearly - The Drama Queen was talking specifically about the fact that the techies who bowed went through 2 days of rehearsals. I don't think she meant to undermine the work of the designers, builders, etc.
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Tumnus1031
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To bring the topic back on track...
Why does Cinderella's Prince get a higher bow than Jack, LRRH and Cindy in the OBC? Is it because it's Robert Westenberg, or is it because he played two roles or something? Cause Merle Louis did three...
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ChrisFitzpatrick
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| Tumnus1031 wrote: | To bring the topic back on track...
Why does Cinderella's Prince get a higher bow than Jack, LRRH and Cindy in the OBC? Is it because it's Robert Westenberg, or is it because he played two roles or something? Cause Merle Louis did three... |
Cinderellas Prince + Wolf would make it right. Little Red and Jack aren't really leads. I guess if you combined Wolf and Cinderella's Prince you could get it as a "lead"
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Tumnus1031
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Hm...I always viewed Jack and Little Red as big roles, bordering on lead. And I always wondered what curtain call would be like if the Wolf and Cindy's Prince were played by two separate actors, since that's probably what'll happen if my school if we do it.
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Mungojerrie_rt
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The one I saw had Rupunzel's Prince playing the Main Wolf.
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Tumnus1031
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Either one of them could work, really...but Cinderella's Prince has that whole dialogue near the end of the show discussing his lust and neverending hunger, which is why he's cast as the wolf, usually.
I can see why a director would cast Rapunzel's Prince as the Wolf, though. If you consider it, doing the Wolf in addition to the smaller prince role would effectively give you the same amount of stage time as Cindy's Prince by himself. That would be the only reason to do it, I think.
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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To Tumnus: I think it was because it was Westenberg. If you notice (on the DVD case) he gets his name mentioned ahead of everybody but Bernadette, if I'm not mistaken.
When I did ITW, the curtain call went like this (it was the most bizarre thing ever):
Crew
"Villagers" (a 3-person chorus that did basically nothing) along with Snow White and Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella's Father, Cinderella's Mother, Stepmother/Stepsisters, Granny
Wolf, Mysterious Man, Jack's Mother, Steward
Rapunzel, Rapunzel's Prince, Cinderella's Prince, Little Red *
Jack, Narrator, Cinderella *
Baker, Baker's Wife, Witch *
The lines with * mean that each person in the line got an individual bow. Everyone else bowed in the group.
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Tumnus1031
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That's a weird curtain call. O_O
How did the Steward get a higher bow after the Stepmother and Stepsisters?
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curlyhairedsoprano91
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I wondered the same thing.
Also, the R/RP/CP/LRRH ... was weird.
I was mistaken about Westenberg, though ... he was credited fourth or fifth or something. But still, he was credited where others with roles larger than his weren't.
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Tenalto
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We're being diplomatic (and lazy) about the whole thing. Since this is really an ensemble show, we're all taking a mass bow, gesturing to the pit, then mass bowing again.
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mikey79097
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Our production pretty much followed the Bernadette Peters bows with some weird changes.
Cinderella's Father, Stepmother, Step Sisters, Steward, Snow White (We had now Sleeping beauty and Snow white didn't even Yawn she just walked across with Rapunzel's Prince)
Rapunzel's Prince, Cinderella's Prince (Both leaped out to center stage and bowed)
Granny/Giant's Voice, Rapunzel (This choice confused me so much because I am not kidding when I say our Rapunzel was tone deaf)
Jack, and Jack's Mother (Not complaining with my Bow order didn't mind it too much except I would've liked to bow with ...)
Little Red, Cinderella (Considering the first group was so large I would've liked it if they lumped Jack's Mother with Granny,Rapunzel so I could have bowed with Little Red and Cinderella since I say those 3 parts are equal in importance in my opinion)
Narrator/Mysterious Man, Baker, Baker's Wife (Only complaint I wish Baker's Wife would've had her own bow our BW was awesome)
Witch (No real complaint except our director made a speech when we went over bow orders about how The Witch only bowed last cause she was Bernadette Peters and the witch might not necessarily bow last in our production but what does he go and do makes her bow last, just seemed rather pointless if you ask me0
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dancejazz7
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We just blocked our curtain call.
I can't say that i agree with it.
1-3 Chorus (its High School, so no one was cut...)
4. Sleeping Beauty, Snow White
5. Cinderella's Mother, Mysterious Man, Granny
6. Stewards (we split the role), Stepsisters, Stepmother, Cindy's Father
7. Rapunzel, Rapunzel's Prince, Narrator
8. Jack, Jack's Mother, Milky White, LRRH
9. Cinderella, Cinderella's Prince, Baker, Baker's Wife
10.Witch
I think their could have been more groups...opinions?
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Michaelw
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You mean Cinderella, Cinderella's Prince, Baker, and Baker's wife all bowed together? Then the Witch has her own? I would think to split those last couple groups up some more!
I've seen Milky White listed in bows a few times. Do people really put a person in a cow costume? Ive always seen it with a fake cow, and a bad fake cow at that. It seems funnier that way.
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ConverseSneaker
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| Tumnus1031 wrote: | | Hm...I always viewed Jack and Little Red as big roles, bordering on lead. And I always wondered what curtain call would be like if the Wolf and Cindy's Prince were played by two separate actors, since that's probably what'll happen if my school if we do it. |
I'd personally put the Wolf with Rapunzel and R's Prince size-wise and C's Prince before Jack.
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Tumnus1031
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I always have a tough time making this curtain call, usually cause I'm not sure where to place Cindy's Prince...with Cindy or with Rapunzel and her prince.
1. Sleeping Beauty and Snow White
2. Father, Lucinda, Steward, Florinda, Stepmother
3. Granny, Wolf, Jack's Mother
4. Rapunzel's Prince, Rapunzel, Cinderella's Prince
5. Little Red, Jack, Cinderella (each would get an individual bow)
6. Baker's Wife
7. Baker
8. Witch
This bow seems fair to me...what do you think?
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dancejazz7
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| Michaelw wrote: | You mean Cinderella, Cinderella's Prince, Baker, and Baker's wife all bowed together? Then the Witch has her own? I would think to split those last couple groups up some more!
I've seen Milky White listed in bows a few times. Do people really put a person in a cow costume? Ive always seen it with a fake cow, and a bad fake cow at that. It seems funnier that way. |
yeah...i was in the cinderella/baker/spouses group...and i hated it...we obviously had a short enough curtain call to split that up...
milky-white was a person in a costume.
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ConverseSneaker
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| Tumnus1031 wrote: | I always have a tough time making this curtain call, usually cause I'm not sure where to place Cindy's Prince...with Cindy or with Rapunzel and her prince.
1. Sleeping Beauty and Snow White
2. Father, Lucinda, Steward, Florinda, Stepmother
3. Granny, Wolf, Jack's Mother
4. Rapunzel's Prince, Rapunzel, Cinderella's Prince
5. Little Red, Jack, Cinderella (each would get an individual bow)
6. Baker's Wife
7. Baker
8. Witch
This bow seems fair to me...what do you think? |
I think that it should rather be
Sleeping Beauty and Snow White
Father, Steward and Granny
Lucinda and Florinda
Stepmother and Wolf
Jack's Mother
Rapunzel and R's Prince
C's Prince
Jack and Little Red(either together or seperate)
Cinderella
Baker's Wife and Baker(see JAck and Red)
Witch
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Tumnus1031
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I like that a lot better. And if C's Prince plays the wolf as well, then you can just stick Stepmother with Florinda and Lucinda.
And with Jack/LRRH and Baker/BW I'd have them come out together and just get separate bows.
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The Drama Queen
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| ConverseSneaker wrote: | | Tumnus1031 wrote: | I always have a tough time making this curtain call, usually cause I'm not sure where to place Cindy's Prince...with Cindy or with Rapunzel and her prince.
1. Sleeping Beauty and Snow White
2. Father, Lucinda, Steward, Florinda, Stepmother
3. Granny, Wolf, Jack's Mother
4. Rapunzel's Prince, Rapunzel, Cinderella's Prince
5. Little Red, Jack, Cinderella (each would get an individual bow)
6. Baker's Wife
7. Baker
8. Witch
This bow seems fair to me...what do you think? |
I think that it should rather be
Sleeping Beauty and Snow White
Father, Steward and Granny
Lucinda and Florinda
Stepmother and Wolf
Jack's Mother
Rapunzel and R's Prince
C's Prince
Jack and Little Red(either together or seperate)
Cinderella
Baker's Wife and Baker(see JAck and Red)
Witch |
I like yours, ConverseSneaker. The only change I would mayve do instead if I were directing it would be to put the Stepmother with the Step-sisters, and then Jack's Mother with the Wolf. Either way works though.
Also, I think the placing of Rapunzel could change depending on if the production does 'Our Little World' because without that song, Rapunzels solo singing is virtually cut in half.
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Luc
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I hate how Snow White & Sleeping Beauty don't get a bow on the DVD. What a crappy job for them.
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lottielou22
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We did the Jr. version and our bows went like this: (or something close to this it was over a year ago.):
Sleeping Beauty/Steward & Snow White/Cinderella's Mother
Lucinda & Florinda
Jack's Mother & Granny & Rapunzel
Stepmother & Mysterious Man/Cinderella's Father
Narrators
Cinderella's Prince/Wolf & Rapunzel's Prince
Little Red & Jack & Milky White
Baker's Wife & Baker
Cinderella & Witch
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ConverseSneaker
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^Sleeping Beauty and Snow White wouldn't be in the Junior version, it cuts out all of act 2. And you have more than one narrator? Cinderella and the Witch bowing together? 
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lottielou22
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Yeah, at the end when the princes are shaking hands we had it so they saw the other girls (sort of out of nowhere) and poor me and Rapunzel were left out to dry.
We double casted Little Red, and the director didn't want our left out Little Red with nothing to do, so she gave her a few of the narrators lines.
I don't have an explanation for Cinderella and the Witch bowing together, though. Maybe it was because we had bowed together in the previous show and she liked the way it looked?
This was the worst show with that particular theatre I've ever done, though. The audience looked sort of dazed. 
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hyperactress23
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When I was in the Jr. version, all I remember is that I bowed second with Florinda and the stepmother. (I was Lucinda.) Well, that and the Baker and his wife bowed together, and the Witch bowed alone and last.
I just saw a production of this show the other night, and curtain call went like this:
Chrous
Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella's Mother
Lucinda, Florinda, Stepmother, Cinderella's Father
Milky White
Jack's Mother
Granny/Giant, Steward
Wolf, Rapunzel (no "Our Little World")*
Cinderella's Prince, Rapunzel's Prince*
Narrator, Mysterious Man
Baker's Wife**
Witch**
Jack, Little Red Riding Hood
Baker, Cinderella
*, ** May have been switched, I can't remember.
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Tumnus1031
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| Quote: | Chrous
Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella's Mother
Lucinda, Florinda, Stepmother, Cinderella's Father
Milky White
Jack's Mother
Granny/Giant, Steward
Wolf, Rapunzel (no "Our Little World")*
Cinderella's Prince, Rapunzel's Prince*
Narrator, Mysterious Man
Baker's Wife**
Witch**
Jack, Little Red Riding Hood
Baker, Cinderella |
It seemed fine until Granny/Giant and Steward went before Jack's Mother.
Everything from BW onwards is just "WTF" material.
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Alexia Dark
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We just blocked the bows yesrerday, so I'll try to remember...
Trees (Yes, we have dancing trees. Almost as cool as my LSofH's dancing plant)
Steward and Jesters (another addition; quite funny)
Granny
Cinderella's Mother
Stepmother, Florinda, Lucinda, Father
Rapunzel and Prince (also the Wolf; has seperate bow with mask)
Jack's Mother
Cinderella's Prince
Jack and Milky White (she does a bit of dancing and other funny things)
Little Red
Cinderella
Baker and Baker's Wife
Witch (Me!)
Oh, and we all begin our bows in character, doing a signature pose; Jesters crash into Steward, Jack and Milky White hug, Cinderella's Prince combs his hair and walks into place sideways, and when I enter, everyone cringes and I cast a spell on the audience, before bowing and leading the applause to the sound booth and orchestra, then a company bow before we all dance offstage.
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The Drama Queen
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This thread is greatly frustrating me right now, because almost all of you have Rapunzel placed at least somewhere in the middle.
But we learned our curtain call today, and guess where I am:
Wood Sprites (chorus)
Snow White, Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella's Mother, Granny, Jack's Mother, Rapunzel(all lumped together in a chorus-like bow. no seperate bows.)
Lucinda, Florinda, Stepmother, Cinderella's Father, Steward (same, all together)
Wolf
Princes
Little Red
Jack
Cinderella
Baker & Baker's Wife
Narator/ Mysterious Man
Witch
....
this does not make me happy. I would think that Jack's Mother and I would at least be after the Royal Family, if not the Wolf too....I'm trying to come with a way to ask my director about this without sounding diva-like. If I don't, I feel like being a diva anyways because I have put too much into this show to virtually be treated as one-step above the lame wood-nymphs that we added in.
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mikey79097
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Maybe you can address your director from a practical stand point with the bowing order.
Maybe talk about you'll have so much background music that it'd make more sense to break some of the groups up a bit. That way more of the "Curtain Call Music" is taken up with actual boring. Or suggest that they just follow the DVD bowing bow per bow that way nobody feels left out.
Worst comes to worse maybe if you and Jack's Mother both talked to your directors you wouldn't seem like the singular Diva.
Well good luck either way with getting a better bow
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SomeoneLikeYou
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| The Drama Queen wrote: | This thread is greatly frustrating me right now, because almost all of you have Rapunzel placed at least somewhere in the middle.
But we learned our curtain call today, and guess where I am:
Wood Sprites (chorus)
Snow White, Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella's Mother, Granny, Jack's Mother, Rapunzel(all lumped together in a chorus-like bow. no seperate bows.)
Lucinda, Florinda, Stepmother, Cinderella's Father, Steward (same, all together)
Wolf
Princes
Little Red
Jack
Cinderella
Baker & Baker's Wife
Narator/ Mysterious Man
Witch
....
this does not make me happy. I would think that Jack's Mother and I would at least be after the Royal Family, if not the Wolf too....I'm trying to come with a way to ask my director about this without sounding diva-like. If I don't, I feel like being a diva anyways because I have put too much into this show to virtually be treated as one-step above the lame wood-nymphs that we added in. |
I feel bad for you! You seem so happy in your role, and your production looks like it'll be great...
But that's screwed up. I take it Cinderella's Prince and the Wolf won't be getting played by the same guy? In that case, you and Jack's Mother should bow together after the Wolf but before the Princes.
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theater_girl92
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| Tumnus1031 wrote: | | Hm...I always viewed Jack and Little Red as big roles, bordering on lead. And I always wondered what curtain call would be like if the Wolf and Cindy's Prince were played by two separate actors, since that's probably what'll happen if my school if we do it. |
thats how my schools was casted.
So it should be interesting to see how they do curtain call.
But i'll assume it will go something like this
Chorus(ugh)
Sleeping Beauty and Snow White
Granny and Cinderella's Mother
Steward(s) and Handmaidens
Lucinda and Florinda
Stepmother and Father
Wolf
Rapunzel
Rapunzels Prince and Cinderellas Prince
Jacks Mom
Little Red
Jack
Cinderella
Bakers wife
Baker
Witch
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mikey79097
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| theater_girl92 wrote: | | Tumnus1031 wrote: | | Hm...I always viewed Jack and Little Red as big roles, bordering on lead. And I always wondered what curtain call would be like if the Wolf and Cindy's Prince were played by two separate actors, since that's probably what'll happen if my school if we do it. |
thats how my schools was casted.
So it should be interesting to see how they do curtain call.
But i'll assume it will go something like this
Chorus(ugh)
Sleeping Beauty and Snow White
Granny and Cinderella's Mother
Steward(s) and Handmaidens
Lucinda and Florinda
Stepmother and Father
Wolf
Rapunzel
Rapunzels Prince and Cinderellas Prince
Jacks Mom
Little Red
Jack
Cinderella
Bakers wife
Baker
Witch |
That sounds like a pretty fair Curtain Call to me actually. It's pretty similar to the OBC video though I always thought it'd be cute if Jack and Little Red came out and bowed together since I think they basically are equal as to importance in the show.
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