honeybee
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curtain callI would love it someone could tell me the order of the usual/your production's curtain call.
Thanks for the help! 
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Salome
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Ensemble
Fagins Gang
Dr. Grimwig/Mrs. Bedwin/Old Sally
Charlotte/Noah
Mr & mrs. Sowerberry
Dodger & Bet
Mr. Bumble/Mrs. Corney/Mr. Brownlow
Nancy & Sykes
Fagin and Oliver
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dantheman
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I would think Dodger and Bet should go later. I would put it in this order:
Ensemble
Fagins Gang
Dr. Grimwig/Mrs. Bedwin/Old Sally
Charlotte/Noah
Mr & mrs. Sowerberry
Mr. Brownlow
Mr. Bumble/ Mrs. Corner
Dodger & Bet
Nancy & Sykes
Fagin
Oliver
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Apollyon
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You could do, however when we did it, Dodger, Sykes, Fagin and oliver got their own bows. and were not paired up. Also I think Bumble is more important a character than bet. but if you want to pair male and female characters up you need to have dodger and Bet after Bumble.
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Salome
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Dodger and Bet are small roles. they shouldnt get a better call than Brownlow or Bumble.
Dodger is in 4 scens and only has 4 lines in act 2. bet has no lines.
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what_the_heck013
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| Apollyon wrote: | | You could do, however when we did it, Dodger, Sykes, Fagin and oliver got their own bows. and were not paired up. Also I think Bumble is more important a character than bet. but if you want to pair male and female characters up you need to have dodger and Bet after Bumble. |
It takes a long time having them all seperate. I think Salome's bows are pretty accurate, although I agree that if you have a really good Dodger, he should go later, because he sings a lot (in some of the more famous numbers) and is a popular (well known) character.
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Salome
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Bumble has more musical material and stage time than Dodger.
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Frostbunny2
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I was in a production of "Oliver" once where the director insisted on Bet having her curtain call shared with Nancy - it caused such drama. In the end she went on with Charlotte and Noah against the directors wishes.
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Baker
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Ours:
Ensemble
Fagins Gang
Grimwig/Mrs. Bedwin/Old Sally
Charlotte/Noah/Bet
Mr & Mrs. Sowerberry
Brownlow
Dodger
Bumble/Corney
Sykes
Nancy
Fagin
Oliver
However, I think Dodger should definitely come after Bumble and Corney.
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bwayblonde21
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| Salome wrote: | Ensemble
Fagins Gang
Dr. Grimwig/Mrs. Bedwin/Old Sally
Charlotte/Noah
Mr & mrs. Sowerberry
Dodger & Bet
Mr. Bumble/Mrs. Corney/Mr. Brownlow
Nancy & Sykes
Fagin and Oliver |
This is how ours went too..except Nancy, Bill, Fagin and I all got separate bows.
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broadwaybabe14
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ensemble
fagins gang
Dr. Grimwig/Mrs. Bedwin/Old Sally/Mr. Brownlow
Mr & mrs. Sowerberry/Charlotte/Noah
Bet/Cammie/Krissi (we had 3 Bets lol)
Mr. Bumble/Mrs. Corney
Dodger
Sykes
Nancy
Fagin
Oliver
I thought Sowerberrry's should have come before Bet/Cammie/Krissi, but then again i was Mrs. Sowerberry....lol
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Salome
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| Frostbunny2 wrote: | | I was in a production of "Oliver" once where the director insisted on Bet having her curtain call shared with Nancy - it caused such drama. In the end she went on with Charlotte and Noah against the directors wishes. |
thats where she belongs..with charlotte and noah. or with dodger bowing before the sowerys and the bumbles.
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pish123c
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| Salome wrote: | Dodger and Bet are small roles. they shouldnt get a better call than Brownlow or Bumble.
Dodger is in 4 scens and only has 4 lines in act 2. bet has no lines. |
How is Doder a small role?
He has his own song, and is featured in a couple of other songs.
Just because he isn't big in the second act dosen't mean he isn't a big character alltogether.
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Salome
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he isnt minor but he is far form one of the principals...fagin,oliver,nancy,bumble,corney and sykes all have more stage time than dodger and more dialouge.
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BroadwayObssessed
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Ok, our curtain call was really weird...it was:
Crew
Townspeople
Rose seller, milkmaid, strawberry seller
Bedwin, Grimwig, Brownlow
Charlotte, Noah
Mrs. and Mr Sowrberry
Orphans
W. Corney, Mr Bumble
Bill Sykes
Bet
Dodger
Nancy
Fagin
Oliver
Or something really similar to that... 
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music is my life!!!
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ok.... now i'm confused!
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BroadwayObssessed
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| music is my life!!! wrote: | | ok.... now i'm confused! |
Don't follow ours, it was really really weird...I don't know why they put the orphans after Mr. Brownlow...Like I said, ours was just weird. 
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SecondBestBet
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Ours was weird too. It went:
Wenches and Rogues
Street Vendors, Old Lady, Old Sally
Orphans/Thieves led by Charley Bates
Characters (Brownlow, Sowerberry Clan, Bedwin, Grimwig, etc)
Bet
Bumble and Corney
Nancy and Sikes and Bullseye (yes we have a real dog)
Dodger and Fagin
Oliver
I, as Bet, hated coming out alone, so I made Charley Bates get up off the steps where the kids sat in a row in front and stand up with me while I bowed and stay there to be joined by the leads and bigger parts. I justified it as we are the two sidekicks (of Nancy and Dodger). I would rather Charley and I come out together but...choose your battles, right?
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Norma Desmond
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The curtain calls for our production were very hectic, especially for me.
I played Dr. Grimwig, but I also played a policeman in the final scene. He discovers Nancy's dead body and sounds the alarm, and later drags off the Artful Dodger. All well and good.
But our director wanted me to do the curtain call as Dr Grimwig. I amazed the backstage crew every night as I ran into the dressing room dressed in police garb and emerged less than a minute later in Grimwig's tailcoat.
It was a very fun production.
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ActingDude17
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Norma, there was someone in our show like that. He played a police officer (in the final scene) and Noah Claypole. He did what you did, and had to change very quickly in Noah for the curtain call.
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tempoltinNY
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ok, this is how ours went, we just did our last show last night, so it should be pretty accurate.
police men ppl
old sally, lod lady, work house servers
me(grimwig) charolette, noah, brownlow, bedwin
bar ppl
crap, i lost it, so that was the begining of it...
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musicalmonster
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Ours went
Chorus
rose/milk/knife
Old Sally Grimwig
Noah/Mr & Mrs Sowerberry
Bedwin/Brownlow/bet
Dodger
Bumble/Corney
Sykes
Nancy/Oliver/Fagin
Our bet was really bad and was put in early because of that. Ours is really jumbled up and crazy but really got an applause for Bumble/Corney Sykes and Nancy/Oliver/Fagin
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Salome
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Bet is a small role it shouldnt be higher thna she is..if anything she shoulkd be lower.
Brownlow is a larger role than dodger,bet or even widow corney.
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Tumnus1031
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Salome, something tells me you don't like Dodger... 
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Salome
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i'm not saying that. i'm saying its a small role. aboput 20 lines in act I and 3 in act II.
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ActingDude17
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| Salome wrote: | | i'm not saying that. i'm saying its a small role. aboput 20 lines in act I and 3 in act II. |
Salome is quite right.
The only reason the part is as popular as it is is because of Jack Wild playing Dodger in the 1960 movie.
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musical4eva
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Ours went
Oliver + fagins gang
Main ensemble
Mr Brownlow and Mrs Bedwin
Noah and Charlotte
The Sowerberry's
Mr Bumble/ Widow Corney
Bill Sykes
Nancy
Dodger
Fagin
Oliver again ( he came on and then left to come through again)
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Salome
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I dont understand so many of your productiuons giving Brownlow such a shitty call.He is very important and has the 2nd largest amount of lines next to fagin.
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mantarnia
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| ActingDude17 wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | i'm not saying that. i'm saying its a small role. aboput 20 lines in act I and 3 in act II. |
Salome is quite right.
The only reason the part is as popular as it is is because of Jack Wild playing Dodger in the 1960 movie. |
Actully the real reason that dodger tends to be listed higher than brownlow, is that brownlow does not sing. For instance when talking about the amount of lines each character has, you should include sung lines. Having done that Dodger is in fact a much bigger part than Brownlow.
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Salome
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its really not that big a part. brwnlow has more stage time as well over all.
Finian is the lead in Finan's rainbow..and he doesnt sing a note!
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Tumnus1031
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Hm...well, I'll ignore this conversation and post OUR curtain call. We opened tonight (but it went horribly because the little workhouse orphans messed up our opening night ritual and the guy playing Fagin said "the Scottish play" and wouldn't fix it).
Fagin's Gang (Includes the kids who play Charlotte and Noah as well as Charley Bates)
Street Criers + 1 of the Bowstreet Runners (the other BR was Sowerberry)
Brownlow, Bedwin, Grimwig
Mr. & Mrs. Sowerberry + Bumble/Corney
Bet, Sykes, Nancy
Dodger
Fagin
Oliver
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Salome
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bet is billed far too high for a character with no lines.
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idTAPthat89
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Well I guess it really depends the way your director tries to portray each character....but when I saw it the call went like this.
Fagin's Gang
Ensemble/Street Criers
Noah and Charlotte
Grimwig
Bedwin
Mr and Mrs Sowerberry
Bet
Brownlow
Corney and Bumble
Sykes
Nancy
Fagin
Oliver
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ActingDude17
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| Salome wrote: | | bet is billed far too high for a character with no lines. |
Especially to bow with the likes of Nancy and Bill.
And idTAPthat89, where did Dodger bow in your curtain call? You didn't list him. He better have not bowed later than Brownlow. 
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idTAPthat89
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Silly me....I completely skipped Dodger! One of my favorites! hehe
Fagin's Gang
Ensemble/Street Criers
Noah and Charlotte
Grimwig
Bedwin
Mr and Mrs Sowerberry
Bet
Brownlow
Corney and Bumble
Sykes
DODGER
Nancy
Fagin
Oliver
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idTAPthat89
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But for the record...the director made dodger a really involved character.....not that he usually isnt...
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nabla
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When i was in it we did
Pickpockets/workhouse boys
General Ensemble (who will buy etc.)
Mr and Mrs Sowerberry, Noah and Charlotte
Brownlow, Grinwig, Mrs. Bedwin
Bet, Dodger
Mr Bumble & Widow Corney
Oliver (since it was played by a younger member of the cast, and the people playing sykes, nancy and fagin had been in our school shows for years)
Bill Sykes
Nancy
Fagin (They bought Fagin out last since it was the biggest part i senior male could get)
I'm new BTW, hi everyone
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Tumnus1031
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| Salome wrote: | | bet is billed far too high for a character with no lines. |
...Our director had her onstage for a lot of the time and gave her lines. Plus, she was a senior, so, I mean...well, I don't know what I mean. But I guess it disproves our theory that our director hates her!
I never thought Brownlow was a bigger character than Dodger. Sure, he's got more "lines," and "stage time" (not really, if you think about it, though. Dodger's onstage about 2/3 of Act 1 and 1/5 of Act 2, and Brownlow's on about 3/5 of Act 2.) but like the others said, if you count singing, Dodger's got him beat. And generally characters who sing are both more reconizED and recognizABLE by audience, simply because people are like "Wow, those guys can sing!" In our production, the guy playing Brownlow was the ONLY member of the entire cast who didn't sing or dance. Even the guy playing Grimwig was also a chorus member. Our old Brownlow had to drop out before rehearsals started, and we kinda just pulled him in at the last second. He did a fine job, it's just...I mean, it's almost like he's just THERE so Oliver can get a happy ending.
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Salome
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I totally dsisagree. its a play not a concert.
plus breownlow is one of Dickens most sympathetic hcaracter and a real humna being.
Dodger is merely a plot device so Oliver finds his way to Fagins den.
and why was your bet played by a senior? bet is like 13 years old.
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ActingDude17
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| Salome wrote: | | and why was your bet played by a senior? bet is like 13 years old. |
Bet is 13 years old, although our bet was older than our Nancy (Nancy was heading off to college and normal size, our Bet was already in college, but EXTREMELY short).
Nonetheless, we played her as though she was around 16, which makes it very difficult for her to be paired with Oliver in "I'd Do Anything".
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mantarnia
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| ActingDude17 wrote: | | Salome wrote: | | and why was your bet played by a senior? bet is like 13 years old. |
Bet is 13 years old, although our bet was older than our Nancy (Nancy was heading off to college and normal size, our Bet was already in college, but EXTREMELY short).
Nonetheless, we played her as though she was around 16, which makes it very difficult for her to be paired with Oliver in "I'd Do Anything". |
It all depends on how the director wants to play it. For instance Bet in the film is much older than she is in the stage version.
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Salome
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and the worst actress in the film LOL
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Tumnus1031
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| Quote: | | I totally dsisagree. its a play not a concert. |
While I have no idea what "dsisagree" means, I'm kinda curious as to what concerts have to do with my opinion.
However, I don't really want to argue any further, so I'll just let bygones be bygones. You have your opinion and I have mine. Simple enough.
| Quote: | | and why was your bet played by a senior? bet is like 13 years old. |
Our senior was really, REALLY short. As in, shorter than the girl who played Dodger. But Dodger's supposed to 18, so I guess that might make sense. >.<
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musical4eva
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| musical4eva wrote: | Ours went
Oliver + fagins gang
Main ensemble
Mr Brownlow and Mrs Bedwin
Noah and Charlotte
The Sowerberry's
Mr Bumble/ Widow Corney
Bill Sykes
Nancy
Dodger
Fagin
Oliver again ( he came on and then left to come through again) |
Not really important but our directed played it that Mrs Bedwin was actually a widow and had a thing for Brownlow... not easy to do when your friends are mouthing Mrs ***** from the front row.
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