wicked_boy
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Changing the ShowIf you could direct the show, what would you change?
I would like to have kept the original idea of No One Mourns the Wicked. Having the Scarevrow. Lion and Tinman being interviewed.
I would also have a scene in Elphaba's hiding. Where she hears about Nessa's death, Chistery could bring her a message or something. She could question herself if it is a trap, or is someon lieing.
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pish123c
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*Waits for Salome to come and rant about how the musical turned a very textured dimensional book into complete fluff*
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wicked_boy
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| pish123c wrote: | | *Waits for Salome to come and rant about how the musical turned a very textured dimensional book into complete fluff* |
What Salome must remember is to think of the book, the musical and The Wizard of Oz film as seprate things. That's what I do.
The musical is aimed at any audience.
The book is aimed at adults.
The film is aimed at family's.
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Luc
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Honestly, if I could direct it, I would do Monsieur D'Arque's version of it (the minimalist version, discussed on this site). It is a uniqe way of telling the story without using flashy sets or expensive costumes.
Of course, the Broadway version as it is, is amazing... but I would really like to direct the minimalist version one day.
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outdamnwench
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| musikal_geek wrote: | Honestly, if I could direct it, I would do Monsieur D'Arque's version of it (the minimalist version, discussed on this site). It is a uniqe way of telling the story without using flashy sets or expensive costumes.
Of course, the Broadway version as it is, is amazing... but I would really like to direct the minimalist version one day. |
The only problem with that is that the story itself isn't strong enough to hold up a minimalist production. it simply isn't a terribly strong narrative. Part of the awesomeness of Wicked is that you feel you are literally transported to Oz where the original story occurred and with the amazing sets and lights the show has, basically everything to do with that.
It would however be interesting to see a straight-play done using the stronger storyline from the original novel.
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pish123c
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| outdamnwench wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | Honestly, if I could direct it, I would do Monsieur D'Arque's version of it (the minimalist version, discussed on this site). It is a uniqe way of telling the story without using flashy sets or expensive costumes.
Of course, the Broadway version as it is, is amazing... but I would really like to direct the minimalist version one day. |
The only problem with that is that the story itself isn't strong enough to hold up a minimalist production. it simply isn't a terribly strong narrative. Part of the awesomeness of Wicked is that you feel you are literally transported to Oz where the original story occurred and with the amazing sets and lights the show has, basically everything to do with that.
It would however be interesting to see a straight-play done using the stronger storyline from the original novel. |
Personally I think a show that can only survive as a spectacle is lame.
Yeah, Wicked is pretty damn cool as far as sets, costumes, lighting, special effects, make up, etc. etc. But I think if a few actors sat down on a bare stage in white t shirts and jeans and did a straight reading the show wouldn't get nearly as many positive reviews (at least as far as the book goes). I think a good book is the key ingredient to a great show...unfortunately mainstream society dosen't agree. 
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Luc
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| outdamnwench wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | Honestly, if I could direct it, I would do Monsieur D'Arque's version of it (the minimalist version, discussed on this site). It is a uniqe way of telling the story without using flashy sets or expensive costumes.
Of course, the Broadway version as it is, is amazing... but I would really like to direct the minimalist version one day. |
The only problem with that is that the story itself isn't strong enough to hold up a minimalist production. it simply isn't a terribly strong narrative. Part of the awesomeness of Wicked is that you feel you are literally transported to Oz where the original story occurred and with the amazing sets and lights the show has, basically everything to do with that.
It would however be interesting to see a straight-play done using the stronger storyline from the original novel. |
But you haven't read Monsieur D'Arque's version. It is awesome.
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Monsieur D'Arque
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Thank you, Luc. I'm currently preparing the absolute final draft of my minimalist staging- I recently found a copy of the London revisions, and I'm looking to see if any of them belong in a definitive copy. Then I'll put up Minimalist Wicked on my web site for all.
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Salome
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well..
I'd have Jason Robert Brown do the music and Lyrics
James Lapine do the book.
make sure the script was based closer on the novel
and Not cat Cheno in the dmaned thing.
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wicked_boy
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| Monsieur D'Arque wrote: | | Thank you, Luc. I'm currently preparing the absolute final draft of my minimalist staging- I recently found a copy of the London revisions, and I'm looking to see if any of them belong in a definitive copy. Then I'll put up Minimalist Wicked on my web site for all. |
Can you PM me and send me a copy of it please? 
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luckystar_30
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I would turn it into a series of monologues with a 1984-esq backdrop and use the darker parts of the novel using the political landscape as the main theme.
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what_the_heck013
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1. Re-do the orchestrations.
2. Cut some cheesier jokes.
3. Tell the story from Elphaba's point of view, rather than Glinda's.
4. Cast an actress as Elphaba, not a SINGER.
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wicked_boy
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| what_the_heck013 wrote: | 1. Re-do the orchestrations.
2. Cut some cheesier jokes.
3. Tell the story from Elphaba's point of view, rather than Glinda's.
4. Cast an actress as Elphaba, not a SINGER. |
What jokes don't you like?
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Mazz
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And I would only change tiny things... put Dr Dillamond in tap shoes, and give Elphaba the third below 'something I could do for her' which sounds lovely and makes it clear that she intends to thank Galinda for Nessarose by proxy.
Oh, and get rid of the 'the artichoke is steamed' 'joke'. It's just not funny.
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wicked_boy
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| Mazz wrote: | And I would only change tiny things... put Dr Dillamond in tap shoes, and give Elphaba the third below 'something I could do for her' which sounds lovely and makes it clear that she intends to thank Galinda for Nessarose by proxy.
Oh, and get rid of the 'the artichoke is steamed' 'joke'. It's just not funny. |
Dillamond in tap shoes! He could have his own little number in "Something Bad".
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Mazz
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He'd sound like he had hooves. Since he looks like he has hooves, it just makes sense to me to take it one step further.
Though the idea of the respectable, dignified Goat hitching up his trouserlegs and dancing is quite an entertaining one...
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wicked_boy
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| Mazz wrote: | He'd sound like he had hooves. Since he looks like he has hooves, it just makes sense to me to take it one step further.
Though the idea of the respectable, dignified Goat hitching up his trouserlegs and dancing is quite an entertaining one... |
Forget the hooves!
A Tap-dancing goat is better.
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defyinggravityxxx
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i would keep all the beautiful sets and costumes.
i would want to see what it would be like if Galinda knew that her friend was alive at the end. but then i think the ending is great how it is. so IDK
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needs2getalife
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1. Elphaba would melt and die at the end.
2. Give Nessarose, Boq, Mme. Morrible, the Wizard, and Dr. Dillamond bigger and better parts.
3. Make Elphaba more insane, Fiyero less shallow, and the Wizard more evil, like they were in the novel.
4. Cut "Wonderful"
5. Get rid of and redo the god-awful choreography.
6. Not cast Shoshana Bean.
Other than that, love the show as it is 
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Luc
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| needs2getalife wrote: | | 4. Cut "Wonderful" |
Cue Dawn & Lexi...
You're in for it now, New Kid. 
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The_Megster
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| Mazz wrote: | He'd sound like he had hooves. Since he looks like he has hooves, it just makes sense to me to take it one step further.
Though the idea of the respectable, dignified Goat hitching up his trouserlegs and dancing is quite an entertaining one... |
sorry... this might be a little far... but i have goats, i show goats, and have i have trimed thousands of goats hooves... they are very soft and dont really make a noise, deffently nothing like the sound of tap shoes... your thinking more of horses and the only reason why they make that sound is because of the metal shoes people put on them, but they too have naturaly soft hooves not as soft as goat of course but not as hard as the metal shoes, thats why we put metal shoes on them to protect their soft hooves
and if i changed something, i would leave what is already there because i love the fact i can take my young niece to it and she enjoys it, but i would add in no one morns the wicked instead of the three things the time dragon shows us, there would be a forth ... it would be that part in the book where elphaba's mother trys taking her near the water to hopefully throw her in
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The_Megster
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| needs2getalife wrote: | 1. Elphaba would melt and die at the end.
2. Give Nessarose, Boq, Mme. Morrible, the Wizard, and Dr. Dillamond bigger and better parts.
3. Make Elphaba more insane, Fiyero less shallow, and the Wizard more evil, like they were in the novel.
4. Cut "Wonderful"
5. Get rid of and redo the god-awful choreography.
6. Not cast Shoshana Bean.
Other than that, love the show as it is |
what is it you dont like about shoshana bean?
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wicked_boy
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| The_Megster wrote: | | needs2getalife wrote: | 1. Elphaba would melt and die at the end.
2. Give Nessarose, Boq, Mme. Morrible, the Wizard, and Dr. Dillamond bigger and better parts.
3. Make Elphaba more insane, Fiyero less shallow, and the Wizard more evil, like they were in the novel.
4. Cut "Wonderful"
5. Get rid of and redo the god-awful choreography.
6. Not cast Shoshana Bean.
Other than that, love the show as it is |
what is it you dont like about shoshana bean? |
Shoshana Bean is probably the only Elphie to hit all the notes in every show.
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Salome
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Wonderful is the only good song in the show.
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Quique
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| wicked_boy wrote: | | what_the_heck013 wrote: | 1. Re-do the orchestrations.
2. Cut some cheesier jokes.
3. Tell the story from Elphaba's point of view, rather than Glinda's.
4. Cast an actress as Elphaba, not a SINGER. |
What jokes don't you like? |
The humor in the show was super forced. And this is coming from someone who relishes cheesy humor. 
I was amazed at how EAGER the audience was to laugh. I mean, a tiny hand gesture made everyone die laughing. I kept wondering if the audience was on crack, lol. It was amusing and many of the cheesier bits made me crack a smile, but it wasn't something to die laughing like everyone in the audience did. After awhile, it got so annoying.
The girl next to me wlaughed so suddenly and loud at one point, she blew my ear out. I think it was when Glinda did a faint kicking gesture in the line "you'll be good at sports" in Popular. I don't see how that could produce such a hearty laugh. Odd.
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The_Megster
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| wicked_boy wrote: | | The_Megster wrote: | | needs2getalife wrote: | 1. Elphaba would melt and die at the end.
2. Give Nessarose, Boq, Mme. Morrible, the Wizard, and Dr. Dillamond bigger and better parts.
3. Make Elphaba more insane, Fiyero less shallow, and the Wizard more evil, like they were in the novel.
4. Cut "Wonderful"
5. Get rid of and redo the god-awful choreography.
6. Not cast Shoshana Bean.
Other than that, love the show as it is |
what is it you dont like about shoshana bean? |
Shoshana Bean is probably the only Elphie to hit all the notes in every show. |
i haven't seen her live... but on youtube she seemed pretty good to me, i also saw a clip of idina in london during defying gravity and she was pretty much yelling(i still love idina!), so i think you might be right about that one
my favorite galinda/glinda by far is megan hilty... she is so hilarious, i love her
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wicked_boy
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^ I am right about that one.
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pish123c
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| needs2getalife wrote: | 1. Elphaba would melt and die at the end.
2. Give Nessarose, Boq, Mme. Morrible, the Wizard, and Dr. Dillamond bigger and better parts.
3. Make Elphaba more insane, Fiyero less shallow, and the Wizard more evil, like they were in the novel.
4. Cut "Wonderful"
5. Get rid of and redo the god-awful choreography.
6. Not cast Shoshana Bean.
Other than that, love the show as it is |
I find it funny that you said in your third statement you would want the Wizard more evil, yet you'd like to cut "Wonderful", the only song in the show that depicts the Wizard as being even mildly corrupt.
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The_Megster
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| Quique wrote: | | wicked_boy wrote: | | what_the_heck013 wrote: | 1. Re-do the orchestrations.
2. Cut some cheesier jokes.
3. Tell the story from Elphaba's point of view, rather than Glinda's.
4. Cast an actress as Elphaba, not a SINGER. |
What jokes don't you like? |
The humor in the show was super forced. And this is coming from someone who relishes cheesy humor.
I was amazed at how EAGER the audience was to laugh. I mean, a tiny hand gesture made everyone die laughing. I kept wondering if the audience was on crack, lol. It was amusing and many of the cheesier bits made me crack a smile, but it wasn't something to die laughing like everyone in the audience did. After awhile, it got so annoying.
The girl next to me wlaughed so suddenly and loud at one point, she blew my ear out. I think it was when Glinda did a faint kicking gesture in the line "you'll be good at sports" in Popular. I don't see how that could produce such a hearty laugh. Odd. |
if you hated it so badly why are you even here... i'm so tired of people always having to be so negative! people work very hard at making wicked what it is and people dont respect that! you can have any opinion you want but why make it public?... you guys could only wish to be part of something that great...
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Quique
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It was an honest opinion/observation. I don't hate the show.
Now untangle those panties.
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pish123c
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| The_Megster wrote: | | Quique wrote: | | wicked_boy wrote: | | what_the_heck013 wrote: | 1. Re-do the orchestrations.
2. Cut some cheesier jokes.
3. Tell the story from Elphaba's point of view, rather than Glinda's.
4. Cast an actress as Elphaba, not a SINGER. |
What jokes don't you like? |
The humor in the show was super forced. And this is coming from someone who relishes cheesy humor.
I was amazed at how EAGER the audience was to laugh. I mean, a tiny hand gesture made everyone die laughing. I kept wondering if the audience was on crack, lol. It was amusing and many of the cheesier bits made me crack a smile, but it wasn't something to die laughing like everyone in the audience did. After awhile, it got so annoying.
The girl next to me wlaughed so suddenly and loud at one point, she blew my ear out. I think it was when Glinda did a faint kicking gesture in the line "you'll be good at sports" in Popular. I don't see how that could produce such a hearty laugh. Odd. |
if you hated it so badly why are you even here... i'm so tired of people always having to be so negative! people work very hard at making wicked what it is and people dont respect that! you can have any opinion you want but why make it public?... you guys could only wish to be part of something that great... |
The point of this message board is so that people can share their personal opinions, not so we can all put on a happy face and like the same things. That would be boring.
You have your opinions, he has his. Why is it that you can say you love Wicked but he can't say he dislikes it?
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Quique
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Anyway, yeah, the humor was really, really forced. It was ridiculous.
Like when Glinda went on her "Lalalala" thing in Popular, I swear people were rolling and choking on their laughter. I was like...It's not THAT funny. 
If it'll make you feel better, I've often thought the same thing during the Thenardier scenes in performances of Les Misérables (my fave show). So, don't take it as an attack on this show only. Audiences in general are always too eager to laugh, it can get annoying.
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Salome
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i wanted to shoot Cheno after that song.
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The_Megster
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im just saying alot of people put alot of hard work into it and it should be respected
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The_Megster
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| Quique wrote: | Anyway, yeah, the humor was really, really forced. It was ridiculous.
Like when Glinda went on her "Lalalala" thing in Popular, I swear people were rolling and choking on their laughter. I was like...It's not THAT funny.
If it'll make you feel better, I've often thought the same thing during the Thenardier scenes in performances of Les Misérables (my fave show). So, don't take it as an attack on this show only. Audiences in general are always too eager to laugh, it can get annoying. |
and i think people love the lalala's so much because it looks like shes about to break her neck
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Quique
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Oh, I respect the actors up there. Megan Hilty and Eden Espinosa did an incredible job. I was talking more about the gullible audience and the show relying on cheap humor to carry it/distract/woo its audience.
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The_Megster
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| Quique wrote: | | Oh, I respect the actors up there. Megan Hilty and Eden Espinosa did an incredible job. I was talking more about the gullible audience and the show relying on cheap humor to carry it/distract/woo its audience. |
well yeah i understand that... like when elphaba tells the wizard to free the monkeys and then she finds dr. dillamond and he "baa's" everyone was laughing, and the person behind me was the loudest
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Quique
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Yeah, not complaining about mere laughter. People can find what they want amusing. I have no problem with that. It's just that some of the audience members really got ridiculous. Like the girl next to me...I wanted to smack her, lol.
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The_Megster
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one time when i saw mamma mia there were to women infront of me who were really tall, and im pretty short, but they were danceing the whole time and i ended up missing most of the show because it
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Midoria
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| The_Megster wrote: | | Quique wrote: | | Oh, I respect the actors up there. Megan Hilty and Eden Espinosa did an incredible job. I was talking more about the gullible audience and the show relying on cheap humor to carry it/distract/woo its audience. |
well yeah i understand that... like when elphaba tells the wizard to free the monkeys and then she finds dr. dillamond and he "baa's" everyone was laughing, and the person behind me was the loudest |
It amazes me how much an audience can change between locations/performances.
When I saw it, the same scene warranted silence and a few gasps. Someone behind me said "Oh no!".
Who played Elphaba and Dillimond when you saw it? And where?
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The_Megster
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| Midoria wrote: | | The_Megster wrote: | | Quique wrote: | | Oh, I respect the actors up there. Megan Hilty and Eden Espinosa did an incredible job. I was talking more about the gullible audience and the show relying on cheap humor to carry it/distract/woo its audience. |
well yeah i understand that... like when elphaba tells the wizard to free the monkeys and then she finds dr. dillamond and he "baa's" everyone was laughing, and the person behind me was the loudest |
It amazes me how much an audience can change between locations/performances.
When I saw it, the same scene warranted silence and a few gasps. Someone behind me said "Oh no!".
Who played Elphaba and Dillimond when you saw it? And where? |
it was sad... i just think people who were laughing didnt understand what it ment
it was in houston, coleen sexton and tom flynn, i met tom flynn after the show and he reminded me of one of my teachers, he was very nice
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Salome
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| The_Megster wrote: | | im just saying alot of people put alot of hard work into it and it should be respected |
oh i know actor's need work. i do respect that. but its a shame they are stuck doing crap just to get a paycheck. people like Joel Grey,George Hearn,Norbie butz,Carole Shelley,Julia murney etc...etc..deserve better.
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Midoria
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| The_Megster wrote: |
it was sad... i just think people who were laughing didnt understand what it ment
it was in houston, coleen sexton and tom flynn, i met tom flynn after the show and he reminded me of one of my teachers, he was very nice |
Ok. I saw it with Julia Murney and Steven Skybell in NY.
Yes, people didn't realize what it meant, and I can see how some less sophisticated people would get confused and think it was supposed to be comical. It's also up to Elphaba to convey how serious it is. As we see, that scene can go either way.
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wicked_boy
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| Quique wrote: | | Yeah, not complaining about mere laughter. People can find what they want amusing. I have no problem with that. It's just that some of the audience members really got ridiculous. Like the girl next to me...I wanted to smack her, lol. |
I have people like that all the time.
When I went to see "The Producers" we had a pair of old granny's next to us and none of them laughed at all for the entire show.
Joe Pasquale + Mel Brooks = laughter. An equation they didn't seem to notice.
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needs2getalife
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| wicked_boy wrote: | | The_Megster wrote: | | needs2getalife wrote: | 1. Elphaba would melt and die at the end.
2. Give Nessarose, Boq, Mme. Morrible, the Wizard, and Dr. Dillamond bigger and better parts.
3. Make Elphaba more insane, Fiyero less shallow, and the Wizard more evil, like they were in the novel.
4. Cut "Wonderful"
5. Get rid of and redo the god-awful choreography.
6. Not cast Shoshana Bean.
Other than that, love the show as it is |
what is it you dont like about shoshana bean? |
Shoshana Bean is probably the only Elphie to hit all the notes in every show. |
She's a wonderful singer but I just think that her acting is so stereotypical and unoriginal and overly-planned out, if that makes sense. I mean, I can definitely see how some people like her, but there are times when it seems (to me, at least) that she's so obsessed about sounding good that she forgets to put any effort whatsoever into her acting. I don't know if this makes sense or not. I'm not very good at putting my thoughts into words.
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