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| Sabola |
CATS PetitionI made a petition to hopefully get a new video of Cats made. I don't know if it will happen, but it's worth a try.Here is a link to it. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/New%20Video%20of%20Cats If anybody does sign it. Please don't sign it more then once useing a diffrent E-Mail address. Thank You. |
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| Moongewl |
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| Akeyla |
I dont think it'll have a chance but if it does get through i demand David Ashley play the role of Munku 
good luck, you'll need it :/ |
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| Pawzxx |
Isn't there another one going on somewhere....?? | ||||||
| Pawzxx |
But go for it , y'know...if there's a demand for it then thats good. I think VTWC was saying this but it would be really nice if it was shot like the Netherlands Tour promo vid on youtube. Thats luvly! 
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| Drumdraper |
I hate to be the negative person here, but I petitions like this only work when they are for something more worthwhile. In the eyes of the Really Useful Group they already spent the money to produce a video back in 1998 and since they already made one why spend the money again when most people like the movie already? Also Cats is not as popular as it used to be, especially since there are no longer shows playing on the West End and Broadway. All other productions of Cats are on tours or regionals. The only Cats production in a pernament area for the time being is in Japan (correct me if I'm wrong here). The tours do make money, but it isn't enough to justify the cost of another video. Plus the Troika Entertainment Group, responsible for the US and UK tours, loses their production rights to Cats next July (at least for the US I think) and since Cats popularity has wained they might not pick them up again. (That is a whole another argument, though, two if you argue that another company will buy the tour rights.) Many consider Cats to be outdated and even if it has a big fanbase, the general masses might want something fresh and more modern which they can't get in Cats.
The only way we might get a new video...er...DVD is if Cats returns to Broadway or the West End. By then Cats will be updated and the new, not old, version of Cats will be transfered to film, and that may not be what is wanted, especially if the updated version stinks. Or something like 2005's Phantom of the Opera might happen, but unless a storyline that does not need much interpretation is added the film, it will probably fail at the box office (Many think POTO 2005 is considered unfaithful to stage musicalbecause of new elements). Until Cats returns to Broadway or the West End, which might not see it for another 10 years (I'm guessing 20 max) we should be glad to have the video. And the people who see Cats on video, and only the video, think it's great, and that is a lot of people. For RUG, since they are a company, they want to make money, so they concentrate on the areas that make them money. Right now they probably feel like they can make more money from releasing the Cats rights to regional and high schools than a new video. Also Andrew Lloyd Webber wants to focus his skills on creating newer shows than living off his past successes. I could probably go on more about guessing the eventual revival of Cats with comparisions to other revivals and what ALW is doing with his time other than Cats, but that will lead this thread off topic. Nice thought, but better to spend time on more constructive things, like watching TV. |
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| mistocopat |
I agree very much! I did sign the petition because I think it would be cool if it did happen. I don't think that it is very likely for the same reasons Drumdraper stated. I'm very glad they even made a movie of it at all! |
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| Luc |
Considering that they just made a movie, less than ten years ago, I don't think you have a hope in Hell, dear. 
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| littlgriz |
Re: CATS Petition
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| Spanish_Rumple |
...I still have hopes that Cats tour is still on when I go to do my practics in education to the UK... And also I wish they'd do it in Barcelona....(oh please,please,please,please!!!!! Does anyone know something about that?) | ||||||
| LHSTrombone |
Only if I can play Munkustrap or Mungojerrie XD. *cross fingers* <.< | ||||||
| MsMungojerrie |
I did sign this a few days ago, but I don't think it will happen. | ||||||
| Pounce |
Much as I'd like them to do another video of CATS, I agree that it is not likely. Lately, it is tough for a show to do multiple cast recordings let alone another film. Plus cast recordings don't sell very well and I think union rules make multiple recordings prohibitive in cost. We should be thankful for having as many CATS cast recordings as there are. (Too bad they never made a Russian one). And we should be glad that the CATS video turned out as well as it did. It wasn't perfect, but still pretty good. The Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat video, JCS video, and the recent PotO movie were awful. If they choose to do another video of CATS, I'd like them to film a live version just as they did for Into the Woods and Sweeney Todd. Those two videos of live shows turned out very well. | ||||||
| Tigress |
I've never been a fan of JCS so I could care less about it, but Joseph and POTO were fantastic; course that's another subject all together. As to another CATS video/DVD it would be more sensible if they re-released the old one but added in the stuff that they took out like the rest of the Jennyanydots, Mungojerrie & Rumpelteazer and the bits of the Jellicle Ball they took out. Then perhaps they could think about adding Growltiger’s Last Stand, I doubt it but maybe. |
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| Pounce |
I'm a fan of the shows but the Joseph... video was... 
and Gerard Butler in the PotO movie was...  I mean...he couldn't even sing!
If they still have the film footage shot, I agree that it should be re-edited and if they have some removed footage, add it back in for the DVD. For some examples, the transition from Jennyanydots to Tugger and even worse the transition from Tugger to Grizabella are too abrupt. I don't know if they even shot Growltiger. I don't think John Mills would have been up to the part. |
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| Tigress |
I each their own but I PERSONALY, I think that the Joseph video was really fun and colorful. It was great and Donny did a great job. As to Butler, that was pretty harsh, but I thought he was wonderful. But as I said, that's me plus we are getting off topic. |
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| Pounce |
Osmond was fine, but I didn't like how the rest of the video was done. Didn't like the narrator, didn't like Attenborough (not right for the role), Joan Collins was fine but didn't like how they did Potipher's wife, singing country western in Middle East outfits instead of cowboy (and cowgirl) garb, the long and drawn out beginning, etc.
No, really, he can't sing. 
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| Tigress |
Pounce we need to agree to disagree b/c you're starting to piss me off. I loved them you hated them. Period. We all can't like the same things so let's just end this now please. I have more important things to worry about than arguing with you over the fact that YES HE CAN SING. Now this is over. Mods please lock this topic. | ||||||
| Pounce |
Just compare Michael Crawford's phantom to Butler's. Crawford is far better. I could tell Butler couldn't sing the moment he opened his mouth. I think his fans are just seduced by his good looks and don't really hear his voice. I'm guessing his looks won the part because it couldn't have been his singing. |
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| Tigress |
I am really trying to be nice but I asked you TO STOP NOW PLEASE DO SO!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't like him, fine, but I'm sick of this. IMO Butler is BOTH handsome and talented now STOP THIS!!! |
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| Pounce |
I'm sure Butler is talented but not in singing. The Phantom is a major singing role. I don't think Butler has a single CD of his singing other than the PotO soundtrack. He is not a noted singing performer and I doubt he will ever be a Phantom on Broadway, West End, or any Tour. |
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| Tigress |
WHO CARES, **Mod Edit**. Sabola, I'm truely sorry that this topic has gone so far off the subject. I am trying to stop it but Pounce won't let it go. Welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your stay here. |
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| MsJellicle |
Okay you two. Calm down, please. Pounce, you have a different opinion than Tigress. Accept that and let it go. You're not going to change her mind. Tigress, don't let it get to you. There's no need to get all worked up over a persistant debator. If you stop posting to him, there won't be anything for him to reply to.
Be nice or else I'll have to lock the thread, kids. 
~MsJ |
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| Rumblepurr |
ThanksThe above ^--- is the reason why MsJ gets cast as Jellylorum a lot... A few kittens (and even some adults) better watch their tails...
Truly, I wish the petition could update the video - or at least provide a cast recording of the video, but Old Dee looks very odd in the shade of blue that holding my breath would accomplish before RUG and company would do so. As flawed as some of the videos of musicals are, or movies based on the musical, they are sometimes our only means to collect memories of the musicals. I think it would be wonderful if we could devise the means to place one's favorite actor/actress/performer in certain parts and produce your own dream cast. I truly believe it may happen because of the way technology is evolving, but I might not live to see that miracle occur. The "Dream Cast of CATS..." Oh, well... Hang in there, gang. And do not get Jelly grouchy... Rumblepurr
The Writer Cat. |
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| Lady Jemima |
Tigress, sweetheart, posting in such large font makes the threads seem a bit overwhelming.
Back to the subject....I would rather sign a petition to reinstate the musical on Broadway. (Though of course that isn't going to happen anytime soon). Can you imagine, though, in a parallel universe, if this board and the CCBD got together and filmed our own play (without being sued?) That would be one for the record.
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| Tigress |
Now that WOULD be awesome! And we could include all the cats who are just talked about and the doubles as well. Victor, Johathan, George, Bill Baily, (even thought some of them have actually been in productions) and both Jemima and Sillibub and all of the other "phantom cats" as well like the mysterious brown queen I've seen posts about. Yea, that would really be awesome.
And sorry about the font. I was already in a bad mood and his posts were just making me even more angry than I already was so, the more irritated I got the larger the font got. Sorry. |
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| OldDeuteronomy |
if they DO do anthoer video make it the WHOLE show WiTH Growltiger. Just because Sir John couldn't play GT doesn't mean they had to ommit one of the BEST parts of the show! | ||||||
| Moongewl |
There were also the following reasons: 1. The filmed version had to be under a certain runtime length to remain on one videocassette. Yes, they COULD have cut something else--it probably would've been the Pekes and Pollicles--but of those two, more people get the chance to see Growltiger live than the Pekes and Pollicles. 2. They were using the set from a tour, and the curtain backdrop used for Growltiger would've looked out of place in a video version. I doubt they had the time or the budget to build a pirate-ship setting. |
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| MrsJemimaMistoffelees |
This would be a better idea, rather than a whole new "CATS" film. And I'd only want an official cast recording if they used all of the video performers voices...not the dubbed voices for Jemima and Skimbleshanks. Veel Liefs, Jemima ^_^ |
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| Alonza0 |
I think it was Bono who said, "Petitions are utterly and completely useless unless backed up with the actions of all who sign." And I think he's 100% correct.
Which is why it sort of makes me sad to see how many of you signed and yet don't think a new video will happen. I'm not mad at you guys or anything, it's just that I don't think a lot of people realize what a petition is and what it does. It's just words, and the big buisnesses and governments know that many of the people who sign are only willing to sign and not anything else. And that's why I'm not going to sign the petition. Sorry. I just don't think it stands on firm enough ground for me to believe that I'd do anything to back it up with actions. And that's my rant for the day, teehee... Wow, this one actually had a point. And since I already ranted today, I will not make a comment on the Gerard Butler/Michael Crawford issue. 
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| Moongewl |
An online petition and a real petition are two COMPLETELY different things. If you could present to me one case where a virtual petition has made a significant difference, I would be extremely surprised. Online petitions are, to put it bluntly, big fat freakin' wastes of time for the following reason: A. People from New Liberonesia sign petitions relating to Podunk County, Kentucky, making it look like a whole bunch of people around the world care about the Podunk County bus service or whatever, when in fact they only signed as a favor to their AIM buddy. B. The same person can sign 6 zillion times. C. Signing an imaginary name on a virtual petition doesn't require any effort and doesn't commit you to anything but spam from petition.com or wherever, while signing a real petition commits you to action later. Many times with real petitions, people take good contact information(like a phone number, as opposed to a hotmail account you don't even check) and will contact you later to get your support on the issue again. Back when I signed virtual petitions, I was never contacted about the issue after I got the automated "thank you for signing" message. |
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| Belle |
Being a touring set, they had provision to perform Growltiger - that set HAD been used for the number many times. In london, and I think on the UK tour as well, they didn't have a whole scene change, rather the sketch of the ship was picked out on the backdrop in luminescent paint. It was quite a subtle effect but beautiful, very clever and in keeping with the whole style of Cats! The number was cut because of time - BUT NOT VIDEO RUNTIME. FILMING TIME. They had a very strict amount of time in which to film the show - three weeks, if I remember correctly. Sir John Mills took so long to film Gus that they ran over-schedule, and had to cut Growltiger. The video cast Asparagus was going to play Growltiger. That's why the ghost of Fireforfiddle is so quickly cobbled together out of a Gus cloak and Macavity wig - he was a last-minute solution to the problem. |
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| Moongewl |
Okay. I thought it was runtime, because of all the other bits that were filmed but cut out. |
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| Yip1982 |
I admit I did sign the petition, and added that I hoped for the Growltiger sequence to be the revised version with the Italian aria pastiche. | ||||||
| ultra_lilac |
Well that makes it even more annoying. John Mills is a great actor, and I'm sure drafting him in was a coup for RUG, but I'd have preferred an actor who could actually sing and move about and do Growltiger, not one who's just there to be a big name on the DVD cover. On topic, I doubt they'll ever make another 'movie' version. Maybe a recording of a live show when Cats hits its next big anniversary would be a more realistic thing to petition for? |
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| Akeyla |
OMG its ALIVE!!!
so while we have already reawakened this zombiethread (check date, like, 7 months ago) are there any updates on this? greets Aky |