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wtfchuck

Best Film Musical?

Which Film Musical is your favourite?

I personally like SoM, Bugsy Malone, Annie (the original one) and WSS.
edit: and you can't forget singin in the rain.

(sorry if this has been done before.)
Salome

It has been done..but thats fine.


I prefer to put them in 2 catagories.

Original film musicals..and adaptations from stage musicals.

ORIGINAL:

High Sciety
Gigi
Band Wagon
Singing in the Rain


ADAPTATIONS:

My Fair Lady
Chicago
Camelot
Lil Abner


thats picking just the top 4 in ech in my opinion.
Lepitot

Hairspray!

And I also love the RENT film but apparently it's terrible in comparison to the stage show.

Sweeney Todd is well done, but I prefer Hairspray. But it's a great film.
wtfchuck

I've got to agree with Singin in the rain and Hairspray.

I've heard good things about chicago but havent seen it yet. i'd like to see it on stage first.
Salome

you guys obviously havent seen enough musical films lol
Salome

btw, chuck ..who is 5 in govt inspector? all the characters have names.
Lepitot

I haven't seen very many of them, you're right. Most of them are old. I really don't like old films very much. I can't stand the dull colors. Occasionally I tolerate it for movies like The Wizard of Oz or The Sound of Music (which I still haven't seen all the way through).

But, you're right, I haven't seen many. I've only seen:

Fiddler on the Roof - Really good but it's SUCH a slow film. I always fall asleep or get bored.
West Side Story - Good film
Guys and Dolls (HATE the film!)
Most of Sound of Music (I've seen the first act 2893 times, never the second act)
Oliver!
Once Upon a Mattress 2005 - I adore it, but a lot of people don't
RENT - love it
Phantom of the Opera - wonderful visually, but too long
Hairspray - nearly flawless imo
Dreamgirls - not my kind of musical
Sweeney Todd - I love Tim Burton and his amazing color schemes. I didn't like Helena Bonham Carter, though.
Salome

Quote:
dull colors/? my Fair lady has some of the best,most vibrant colors in any film. same with Cmelot's realistic color scheme.

Il oved Helena..next to Rickman she was the best thing in the film.

now the Hairspray film was miscast over all. only Walken,Blonsky,Baranski and Pheiffer were well cast.
Lepitot

I've never seen either of those films.

I think I just really expected Helena to blow me away. I mean, she could be SUCH a great Mrs. Lovett. And, by halfway through "Worst Pies in London" I knew I would be disappointed with her performance. I didn't laugh at all, except for when she squashed the bug at the end.
Salome

you didntl augh because she isnt a comic role at al lin the film. Burton didnr want her to get the laughs that the role does on stage. its a valid interpretation and it works.
wtfchuck

I haven't seen many musicals (because i'm only 15) and thats why i started this thread, i've seen these in West End and/or Broadway

Cats
On the Town
Mamma Mia
Blood Brothers
Fame
Lion King
The Producers


And have seen these films

Hairspray
Singin in the Rain
Cabaret
The Producers
Grease
SoM
Fame

And in "the Government Inspector" we're doing a condensed school version for my Drama Exam. The part "5" is one of the town councilors and also a hospital patient (we're doing it in a Brechtian style, i dont know if it was originally)
jesuiscommejesuis

Singin\' in the Rain, maybe.

I\'m blind and thought this title was \"Finn Musicals\". Sad
wtfchuck

If i were to put all film musicals into order of greatness, (which i wont because i'd have to watch them all over and over again and it would take ages) then i would most probably put "Singin' in the rain" at the top.

I'm such a Gene Kelly Fanboy.

EDIT:

here is AFI's 100 years of Musicals, Top Ten.(which i think is quite accurate)

# Singin' in the Rain (1952)
# West Side Story (1961)
# The Wizard of Oz (1939)
# The Sound of Music (1965)
# Cabaret (1972)
# Mary Poppins (1964)
# A Star Is Born (1954)
# My Fair Lady (1964)
# An American in Paris (1951)

here is a link to the Wikipedia Article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_100_Years_of_Musicals
curlyhairedsoprano91

I've gotta say, I'm partial to Gene Kelly ... and I love the stuff that he and Sinatra did together (Anchors Aweigh, On the Town, etc.)

Otherwise:

Singin' In the Rain is fabulous.
I personally adore the Guys and Dolls movie, despite Brando's lack of a singing voice.
I like West Side Story a lot.
My Fair Lady is a great show, but I found a lot of things about the movie ... a tad grating.
Oz is classic.
Sweeney Hyde

Stage Adaptations:
My Fair lady
1776
Fiddler On the Roof
Sweeney Todd

Original:
Singin' in the Rain
Gigi
42nd Street
Yankee Doodle Dandy (does it count?)
Bianca.

Singin' in the Rain.

..the 42nd street movie bored me.

Cabaret<3.

Chicago

Sweeney was brilliant.

And Jon, I can say the same about hairspray you said about dream girls.
It's just not my kind of musical.
Robinflamingo

I guess I'm the only fan of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers....
JIJane

Singing in the rain - def the best film musical ever - as a whole.

I agree that Michelle Pfeiffer was well cast in Hairspray, I thought she was really good.
Lepitot

Whoa, 42nd Street was originally a movie? I thought it was written for the stage?

Weird.
Sweeney Hyde

Robinflamingo wrote:
I guess I'm the only fan of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers....
I HATE that movie...and the show...but...gah...HATE
wicked_diva

747 is nice sometimes. I personally enjoy the kitsch of it. And the barn raising dance scene is probably one of the best dance scenes in any musical movie.

But my two favorites would have to be Singin' in the Rain and 1776.
Salome

I love the songs in 7 Brides... and Howard Keel is dreamy. but the dancing bogs it down.
star2ballie

Salome wrote:
I love the songs in 7 Brides... and Howard Keel is dreamy. but the dancing bogs it down.

AHHHH NO

the barn raising dance is one of the most incredible dance moments ever captured on film. sheer brilliance in every way. that film influenced me so much as a youngun'. i LOVE it, Robin. SO much!!!

i agree that singin' in the rain is perfection.

and i didn't like michelle pfeiffer's singing in Hairspray. I thought she was fine acting-wise, but her voice was so light and not at all like how Velma should sound, IMO.
Robinflamingo

Sweeney Hyde wrote:
Robinflamingo wrote:
I guess I'm the only fan of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers....
I HATE that movie...and the show...but...gah...HATE


Holy cow. I've never seen a reaction that strong. What is it that you hate so much?????
Sweeney Hyde

Robinflamingo wrote:
Sweeney Hyde wrote:
Robinflamingo wrote:
I guess I'm the only fan of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers....
I HATE that movie...and the show...but...gah...HATE


Holy cow. I've never seen a reaction that strong. What is it that you hate so much?????
Hmm...well I find the plot incredibly stupid/corny...Howard Keel's acting strangely overdone/corny...excessive dancing...and my Grandmother really shoved it...and I mean SHOVED it down my throat when I was young...etc.

I restrain myself most of the time from posting very heavily on things that upset me...I apologize if I upset you Robin. Sad
Salome

star2ballie wrote:
Salome wrote:
I love the songs in 7 Brides... and Howard Keel is dreamy. but the dancing bogs it down.

AHHHH NO

the barn raising dance is one of the most incredible dance moments ever captured on film. sheer brilliance in every way. that film influenced me so much as a youngun'. i LOVE it, Robin. SO much!!!

i agree that singin' in the rain is perfection.

and i didn't like michelle pfeiffer's singing in Hairspray. I thought she was fine acting-wise, but her voice was so light and not at all like how Velma should sound, IMO.


Dancing interrupting the plot of a show in general gets on my nerves..but it particularly annoys me in this film.

i agree about phieffer's voice too but her performance made me not care.
ilovebway

Am I the only one who thought Allison Janney was absolutely excellent in the Hairspray film?

Anyway, my top favorites would have to be Oliver and The Wizard of Oz.
Robinflamingo

Sweeney Hyde wrote:
Robinflamingo wrote:
Sweeney Hyde wrote:
Robinflamingo wrote:
I guess I'm the only fan of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers....
I HATE that movie...and the show...but...gah...HATE


Holy cow. I've never seen a reaction that strong. What is it that you hate so much?????
Hmm...well I find the plot incredibly stupid/corny...Howard Keel's acting strangely overdone/corny...excessive dancing...and my Grandmother really shoved it...and I mean SHOVED it down my throat when I was young...etc.

I restrain myself most of the time from posting very heavily on things that upset me...I apologize if I upset you Robin. Sad


Oh, no, sweetie, I wasn't upset - just surprised. You are usually the male Pollyanna to my female Pollyanna Smile
Sweeney Hyde

Robinflamingo wrote:
Sweeney Hyde wrote:
Robinflamingo wrote:
Sweeney Hyde wrote:
Robinflamingo wrote:
I guess I'm the only fan of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers....
I HATE that movie...and the show...but...gah...HATE


Holy cow. I've never seen a reaction that strong. What is it that you hate so much?????
Hmm...well I find the plot incredibly stupid/corny...Howard Keel's acting strangely overdone/corny...excessive dancing...and my Grandmother really shoved it...and I mean SHOVED it down my throat when I was young...etc.

I restrain myself most of the time from posting very heavily on things that upset me...I apologize if I upset you Robin. Sad


Oh, no, sweetie, I wasn't upset - just surprised. You are usually the male Pollyanna to my female Pollyanna Smile
Laughing Razz
Kiwi

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is quite possibly my least favorite musical in existence. I saw a high school production of it a couple years ago with my youth theatre buds, we all wanted to vomit.
mastachen

When you people rate films based on musicals, do you rate it based on how well of an adaptation it is, or rate it by the quality of the movie? Or a mixture of both?
Sweeney Hyde

I rate them as a film because that, ultimately, is what it is.

Comparing how well a stage show adapted to film is something entirely different.
RainbowJude

Movie Musicals

Best Adaptations of Stage Musicals

Chicago, Fiddler on the Roof, Cabaret, Oliver!, The Sound of Music, My Fair Lady, Dreamgirls, Hairspray, Sweeney Todd and South Pacific.

(NOTE: I'd say the first six are generally great adaptations that make generally super films. The last four, I think, are great but each have fundamental flaws that prevent them from being the absolute successes they could be.)

Best Original Musical Films

Gigi, Beauty and the Beast, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, An American in Paris, The Wizard of Oz, Mary Poppins, Meet Me in St Louis, Singin' in the Rain, Victor/Victoria and A Star is Born (1954).

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Salome wrote:
You didn't laugh because she isn't a comic role at all in the film. Burton didn't want her to get the laughs that the role does on stage. It's a valid interpretation and it works.


It would be if Helena Bonham-Carter got all the basic acting beats she needs to get in as the narrative moved along. By the time we get 10 lines into "The Worst Pies in London" she's already missed (a) the subtext behind the line "I thought you was a ghost!" and (b) the reason she's actually singing the song and therefore we don't get how fast Nellie Lovett's mind works and understand exactly how calculating she is. This is characteristic of her performance throughout this film and she only begins to find her stride in moments of dialogue here and there prior to "A Little Priest" and her strongest acting in the film appears during "Nothing's Gonna Harm You" in reaction to Toby's words and of course this would be 10 times more effective if she's established properly the inner life of the character in the "Worst Pies in London" sequence at the start of the film.

Now, I think that Bonham-Carter is a better actress than that - and that's primarily why I find her performance disappointing in the film. Yes, her singing is thin - but I think a problem that is worse than her tone and so on is that she displays a sameness throughout her vocal interpretation that may somewhat suit Tim Burton's stylistic choices for the film but which does not always serve the material.

Incidentally, although the comic elements of the character have been pared down, I don't think it's true that she isn't at all comic in the film. I do believe the comedy is handled in a very different way: it's all deadpan rather than in the music hall style that is employed on stage. And that again works for Burton's vision and because of the adaptation, usually serves the text he's interpreting. Of course, if we start to pick at the adaptation, there are more serious problems than Bonham-Carter's performance that become evident in this film version of Sweeney Todd.

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mastachen wrote:
When you people rate films based on musicals, do you rate it based on how well of an adaptation it is, or rate it by the quality of the movie? Or a mixture of both?

Sweeney Hyde wrote:
I rate them as a film because that, ultimately, is what it is. Comparing how well a stage show adapted to film is something entirely different.


I think it is important to evaluate a film based on its success as a film.

However, I think it is impossible and even misguided to ignore aspects of adaptation if a film is based on source material - no matter whether the source is (for the sake of argument) a play, a book, a narrative video game or a television series and no matter what the genre of the film you are watching. Adaptation indicates a choice made in the writing process and followed through in the filming process and I think it can be particularly enlightening if something isn't working in a film that is an adaptation to assess what the other choices were and whether, ultimately, the right one was made or not. I think the mistake in terms of assessing films based on their adaptation often comes down to looking for faithfulness to the source but that is missing the point of the idea of adaptation.

Later days
David
Sweeney Hyde

^I'm glad you're back.
TylerMcMahon

Salome wrote:
It has been done..but thats fine.


I prefer to put them in 2 catagories.

Original film musicals..and adaptations from stage musicals.

ORIGINAL:

High Sciety
Gigi
Band Wagon
Singing in the Rain


ADAPTATIONS:

My Fair Lady
Chicago
Camelot
Lil Abner


thats picking just the top 4 in ech in my opinion.



I f*ckin' love "Li'l Abner" Stubbey Kaye is one of my theatre heros!
LesMisForever

My Fair Lady
An excellent movie on its own with some wonderful performances.


Chicago is also very good.
fjays

of those that i have seen, i must say i loved sweeney and hairspray.

singing in the rain i haven't seen for ages but i do remember it was pretty great too.

also, on the argument of helena not being comical in sweeney todd, don't you perhaps think that it wasnt all her choice? considering it is a movie, she might not have a huge amount of freedom.. and she was told of how her character should be, and that the movie is NOT the stage show.

that is all i have to say.
jcstar

How come no one has mentioned JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR? Seriously. I'm surprised at this! Can there be people who have never seen the film?

(and, I am talking 1973)

What about GODSPELL? This and JCS should be on every MT fans Must see films list.

KING AND I is excellent.
OKLAHOMA! is well done.
FIDDLER is great. (I wonder why Zero Mostel didn't do the film?)
EVITA is a good adaption.
PHANTOM = ditto
RENT is great.
WEST SIDE STORY is near perfection.
HAIRSPRAY was pure joy.

I despise SEVEN BRIDE FOR SEVEN BROTHERS. I can't stand it.

Andy.
JIJane

Phantom and Rent were terrible, I see JCS more as a rock opera rather than a typical film musical.
jcstar

Well, the terms "rock opera" and "musical" are often used in the same way.

Know what I mean?

Andy.
Salome

apart from a few performances Norman Jewison's JCS was dreadful. tanks chasing Judas?? the whjole "lets put on a movie" mentality of the hippies playing the characters..all pretty ridiculous. its probably one of the worst stage to screen transfers.

as for Evita. i liked laot of it but Madonna's Eva was far too sympathetic. and the addition of You Must Love Me made her more so. Eva was a tyrant and a bitch.

Oklahoma? Shirley Jones ruins the film. she doesnt play Laurey liek a saavy,witty,tom boy but as a vacant porcelin doll.
although Eddie Albert and Charlotte Greenwood are perfectlyy cast.

Phantom? this is a leson in how to make a bad musical into an even worse film. saving graces: Simon Callow,Ciaran Hinds,and Miranda Richardson.
JIJane

Lol. Good points Salome.
Monsieur D'Arque

My last words on the "Helena isn't funny as Lovett" debate:

Lansbury's Lovett is panto funny. LuPone's Lovett is burlesque funny (sometimes). Helena's is Brechtian funny.
Salome

I agree with most of that. except I'd say Lansbury's is Music Hall not panto.
Brock07

Ok, here we go. First off, let me say that I'm not too critical of movies and am therefore easy to please. Therefore, some of my choices aren't always the most popular.

In no particular order...

Sweeney Todd - Fantastic adaptation. I love all of the acting and the general feel of the film. I find the singing excellent and love listening to the soundtrack on a fairly regular basis.

Singin' In The Rain - A classic...and the show that got me into acting, so it holds a special place in my heart. But just a great great film.

Rent - Quite possibly my favorite musical ever. I love that the original cast is there. The acting is suburb IMO and I love the replacements that had to be made to the original cast. Such a touching story...love it.

The Producers - Again, I love that the original cast is back. I also love the combination or random Mel Brooks humor and a musical.

Rocky Horror Picture Show - Tim Curry in a drag...what's not to love. Plus a half naked steamy hott Susan Sarandon.

The Phantom of the Opera - Don't shoot me please. But it was what I saw/heard first. I fell in love and love everything about it. Except the Christine stare....yes, I even love Gerald Butler and his singing.

The Wizard of Oz - I dunno...I grew up with it and love it to death.

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory - Same thing ^^

Grease - Again... ^^

The Sound of Music - And again...^^

Hairspray - I didn't like that they used all non-musical theatre actors, but it really worked and loved the casting. Just a really fun movie.

Moulin Rouge - Yay for jukebox musicals, especially with a cast like that. Soooo funny. Without a doubt one of the best musical movies ever.

Across the Universe - I am a huge Beatles fan and I love the idea of taking those songs and putting them into a story. Plus Julie Taymor kicks ass.

Oklahoma! - I don't know...I just really liked it.

The Music Man - The original. With Robert Preston and Paul Ford. And what's her face from the Partrige Family. Classic.

Mary Poppins - One of the best. Disney at it's best.
Salome

how can you meantion a weak show like SOM and not My Fair Lady??

as much as i enjoyed Across The Universe..it was too loooonnngg!
but Eddie Izzard as Mr. Kite is worth the price!
Brock07

Salome wrote:
how can you meantion a weak show like SOM and not My Fair Lady??

as much as i enjoyed Across The Universe..it was too loooonnngg!
but Eddie Izzard as Mr. Kite is worth the price!


AtU was very long...one of my few complaints.

And My Fair Lady is still on my Netflix queue.
Mistress

Monsieur D'Arque wrote:
My last words on the "Helena isn't funny as Lovett" debate:

Lansbury's Lovett is panto funny. LuPone's Lovett is burlesque funny (sometimes). Helena's is Brechtian funny.


I have to agree with that...but it was also my main problem with Sweeney...it was drained of it's humour first by the cutting of Kiss Me, than by the straight-faced Priest as well as the cutting of the best verses in Priest (They cut the bit about the general... Evil or Very Mad )...and Sweeney Todd isn't the same without it's grotesque humour...than again the Jamie what's-his'name and Jayne Weisner would have probably butchered Kiss Me had they tried it.
Brock07

Mistress wrote:
Monsieur D'Arque wrote:
My last words on the "Helena isn't funny as Lovett" debate:

Lansbury's Lovett is panto funny. LuPone's Lovett is burlesque funny (sometimes). Helena's is Brechtian funny.


I have to agree with that...but it was also my main problem with Sweeney...it was drained of it's humour first by the cutting of Kiss Me, than by the straight-faced Priest as well as the cutting of the best verses in Priest (They cut the bit about the general... Evil or Very Mad )...and Sweeney Todd isn't the same without it's grotesque humour...than again the Jamie what's-his'name and Jayne Weisner would have probably butchered Kiss Me had they tried it.


I dunno...I think they could have pulled it off.

And my biggest complaint about Sweeney Todd was the stripping of A Little Priest and God! That's Good!...Those two were my favorites behind Epiphany and My Friends, and they were horribly butchered...
Mistress

Yeah, especialyl Little Priest...they cut the best parts...I was also mad that they ahd to cut the ballads out...although I don't how they would've worked on film...
Salome

seriously the only 2 cuts i really missed were Mea Culpa and the 2nd half of Ladies in their Sensitivities. everything else made sense in the cutting.
Brock07

At least I knew that they cut most of ALP before I got to the theatre...otherwise I might have stood up and started screaming.
Salome

they didnt cut most of a little priest..they cut under a minute of the song.
Brock07

I just checked iTunes...the original was 7:17. The movie was 5:15

That's two minutes of the funniest stuff in the show.

I love the back and forth section....potter...something, hotter...butler...something subtler....
Salome

but remember the music hall turn of that section wouldnt have worked on film.
Brock07

I know...but it doesn't mean I can't miss it!
pish123c

Bianca. wrote:

Cabaret<3.


RainbowJude wrote:
Best Adaptations of Stage Musicals

Cabaret


Really? It's probably my least favorite adaption of a musical. It butchers the stage musical so much and on so many levels...

Anyway, my favorite movie musicals are (In no order):
Chicago
My Fair Lady
South Pacific

And Camelot is slowly but surely becoming one of my favorites as well (Vanessa Redgrave=<3)
Salome

for the last time the film version of Cabaret butchers NOTHING!
Its brilliant the way Fosse takes the original play, "I am a Camera" (which the stage musical was based on) and incorperates the "Cabaret" songs and Emcee into it.

the only problem with the film was Minelli.
pish123c

Various songs and characters were cut to the point that the show many people know and love isn't even recognizable. Liza's performance also ruins it for me, though. (And it can't be denied that when the leading actress in a film does a poor job it affects the movie as a whole). If Fosse wanted to create another film version of I Am a Camera he should've done that and not try to change Cabaret.
Salome

he didnt cut characters..Joe Masteroff added characters that fosse once agian cut.
pish123c

Then to me it sounds like Fosse just took the plot and characters of I Am a Camera and added Cabaret's music. He should've chosen one or the other if that is the case.
Mistress

Brock07 wrote:
I just checked iTunes...the original was 7:17. The movie was 5:15

That's two minutes of the funniest stuff in the show.

I love the back and forth section....potter...something, hotter...butler...something subtler....


Agree 100%...it made me mad the all funny stuff was cut.

I can kind of understand why Mea Culpa was cut...it was probably too disturbing to have in the movie.
Salome

alot of disturbing things are in films. mean Culpa is not only one of the best songs in the how..it shows alot of judge turpin's character. cutting it castrates the role.
Mistress

I think the main point of cutting the songs they did was to put as much of the fucus as possible on Sweeney...but still, I can manage that many a retina would be burning at the sight of Alan Rickman flaggelating himself while sing a lewd song about his adopted daughter...and having some sort of orgasm at the end...
Salome

to me that would have bene a brilliant moment. one that would have gotten rickma an oscar nod.

stuff like that is so powerful especially in the hands of a great actor.
Brock07

Without a doubt...

and he deserved one anyway.
Mistress

Salome wrote:
to me that would have bene a brilliant moment. one that would have gotten rickma an oscar nod.

stuff like that is so powerful especially in the hands of a great actor.


Yeah I'll give you that, but I still think it would have too many people uneasy in the movie theatre...it would very different in a film than on stage...yet somehow I'm still mildly interested in seeing Alan Rickman flagellating himself...XD
Kragey

I really dig the film versions of The King and I, Sweeney Todd, Singin' in the Rain, My Fair Lady, West Side Story, Victor/Victoria, and CATS. Yes, I said CATS. I know, I know, nobody loves me anymore.
Yip1982

Yes, I know I want to join Kragey in begging for mercy, but for different reasons: please don't pillion me for defending the S.O.M. film. I know some people would dismiss this as fluffy theatre, but everytime I watch it I appreciate the little intricacies that went into adapting the musical into a film. I know some people don't like how the film cut the Elsa/Max songs, but even so I think the personal message of the film still rings out to me. I like how Lehman and Wise and the creative team opened up the film into an exquisitely crafted masterwork.
Mungojerrie_rt

I've only seen three shows live, so I can't nessesarrily compare the movies to the stage.
Cats - Good filming, but they cut half an hour of some of the best music. Great cast.

POTO - I thought the movie was good. Then I saw the stage show. Too much is missing for the film to flow as smoothly, and Mme Giry was cut down a lot.

No Into The Woods Film.

Films I haven't seen the stage for.

Sweeney Todd - Good, but I won't buy the DVD.

Sound of Music - I found the film a strain to sit through. Especially the second half.

King & I - At least it wasn't as long as SoM, and the music was a bit better.

Grease - The only saving grace was the slutty character.

Evita - Very good. Who would have thought that Antonio Bandaras could sing.

Cabaret - Boring. I much prefer my OBC CD.

Chicago - Love the movie, but I wish it had the 9 or so missing songs in it.

Moulan Rouge - Didn't interest me very much.

JCS 73 - Fantastic cast and music.

JCS 2000 - Hated the cast. Interesting design.

Dreamcoat - Very good. Maria Freedman is fantastic.

Rent - Loved it, shame it's missing songs.

Hello Dolly - Couldn't sit through.

I think thats all.
Yip1982

I share your sentiments in the cuts in the Cats video. While I acknowledge how the cast performs the score superbly, and that the music is performed better than on any other recording, I feel shortchanged with the cuts that this video has suffered.
Mungojerrie_rt

The music sounds good because it is played by a full 70 piece orchestra. Although it can drown out some of the electric guitar in the Jellicle Ball and Magical Mr Mistoffelees.
Salome

Sir John Mills and Ken Page were the only two good things in the t.v. Cats. it was great to see the legendary Mills still acting when he was 92.

however this thread is about film versions. not tv adaptations or stage broadcasts shown on television.
Mungojerrie_rt

It was a film version. They changed several aspects of the show for the film. It was entirely made for the film, but keeping in the spirit of the stage show.

And even you Salome, have to admit that it contains a lot of very talented people.
Salome

No. it wasnt a film. it was a television special recorded for PBS and BBC. it was never released in theatres.

and like I said Sir john Mills and Ken Page are very talented.
FlamingGiraffes

Salome wrote:
Sir John Mills and Ken Page were the only two good things in the t.v. Cats. it was great to see the legendary Mills still acting when he was 92.

however this thread is about film versions. not tv adaptations or stage broadcasts shown on television.


I second that. Particularly Ken Page...
Salome

you cant not say John Mills though. the man was a legend..he worked with Lean,Coward, Olivier,Gielgud..and worked well into his 90s. it was sheer amazment when I found out they actually signed a man like that.
FlamingGiraffes

Too true. I absolutely agree that the man was a legend. I just have a strong connection with Ken Page. Him in Ain't Misbehavin' was genius, and actually the only reason I watched Cats...
Salome

my 2 favorite recordigs of Ken Page are his nicely Nicely in the all Black cast of Guys and Dolls and as Jupiter in teh concert recordng of Coe Porter's Out of this World. brilliance.
FlamingGiraffes

I loved him in the all black cast of Guys and Dolls/ I've never heard Out of this World. I'm going to have to go buy it now. Very Happy

Oh, on topic I suppose the best film adaption would be.... Sweeney Todd... I think.
Salome

I tihkn its Porter's finest score.

as for Sweeney as the best film adaptaion.. i loved it but its not at the top. My Fair Lady is almost perfection.
FlamingGiraffes

Well, then I'm definitely going to have to get a copy now.

In all actuality Sweeney is probably not my favorite. Something about Johnny talking too much like a pirate. Helena was definitely not a favorite either. I can't honestly think of an adaption that was just amazing at the moment.
Mungojerrie_rt

Film almost never lives up to the stage show. So a direct comparison is not really fair. Nothing compares with live theatre.

And because I can't let this go unsaid. There are many people in Cats more talented than Ken Page and John Mills. Not that either of them aren't fantastic, but all of the triple treat performers like Rosemarie Ford, John Partridge, Aeva May and Jo Gibb by far make the show. They all play better characters too.
FlamingGiraffes

Mungojerrie_rt wrote:
Film almost never lives up to the stage show. So a direct comparison is not really fair. Nothing compares with live theatre.

And because I can't let this go unsaid. There are many people in Cats more talented than Ken Page and John Mills. Not that either of them aren't fantastic, but all of the triple treat performers like Rosemarie Ford, John Partridge, Aeva May and Jo Gibb by far make the show. They all play better characters too.

Some of your points are very true, but a direct comparison is fair. If a filmmaker thinks that he or she can tackle a stage musical, then the comparison is fair by the simple fact that the director is copying something that already exists. Of course people are going to and they should make a comparison.
In a nod to your second paragraph I have to disagree completely. In my opinion I think that Ken Page and John Mills made the show. Those two are the only reason I even watched it in the first place. So, to me I think that Ken Page and John Mills were the most talented people in the cast. And as to their characters, I think that their characters were the most enjoyable to watch.
Now, back to the topic at hand. I think that the best film adaption may be ... maybe.
JIJane

It's sad to see people not understanding the greatness of those actors (like John Mills) who have influenced the arts in such a massive way. I really fear for the future of the industry with people making frankly ridiculous comments like the one above. John Mills is a legend. Everybody who has anything to do with the acting profession knows that. The others are just working actors. That's the difference. It's like saying Catherine Zeta Jones is more talented than Katherine Hepburn because she can sing and dance. And if someone can't see it then they are either a) not destined to work in this business or b) need to mature and seriously do their research.

Salome is quite right in everything she states here. Cats is not a film adaptation. For one, it was filmed on a stage and not a set, which should immediately make it clear to the viewer what kind of recording it is.
Quique

Mungojerrie_rt wrote:
It was a film version.


No, it wasn't. It was a filmed version of the original stage production.
Mungojerrie_rt

JIJane wrote:
It's sad to see people not understanding the greatness of those actors (like John Mills) who have influenced the arts in such a massive way. I really fear for the future of the industry with people making frankly ridiculous comments like the one above. John Mills is a legend. Everybody who has anything to do with the acting profession knows that. The others are just working actors. That's the difference. It's like saying Catherine Zeta Jones is more talented than Katherine Hepburn because she can sing and dance. And if someone can't see it then they are either a) not destined to work in this business or b) need to mature and seriously do their research.

Salome is quite right in everything she states here. Cats is not a film adaptation. For one, it was filmed on a stage and not a set, which should immediately make it clear to the viewer what kind of recording it is.


Way to completely misinterpret what I said. I never said that John Mills was not good. I simply said that in a heavy dancing musical, someone who has one scene, which is half carried by another character, is outshone by those that can sing, dance and act, and have more important and larger parts to play.

And what is the difference between using a sound stage and a theatre stage? Apart from the seating there is little difference.
Brock07

That still doesn't make it a film adaptation.
mastachen

Mungojerrie_rt wrote:
Nothing compares with live theatre.

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I can think of lots of things that do.
JIJane

"I never said that John Mills was not good. I simply said that in a heavy dancing musical, someone who has one scene, which is half carried by another character, is outshone by those that can sing, dance and act, and have more important and larger parts to play."

You are still completely missing the point. Judi Dench stole the film Shakespeare in love and won the Oscar for 8 mins screen time. It's not about the amount of stage or screen time, it's about the quality which you portray and how you affect the audience. Spencer Tracey could do that with his back to the camera.
Brock07

JIJane wrote:
"I never said that John Mills was not good. I simply said that in a heavy dancing musical, someone who has one scene, which is half carried by another character, is outshone by those that can sing, dance and act, and have more important and larger parts to play."

You are still completely missing the point. Judi Dench stole the film Shakespeare in love and won the Oscar for 8 mins screen time. It's not about the amount of stage or screen time, it's about the quality which you portray and how you affect the audience. Spencer Tracey could do that with his back to the camera.


I love Judi Dench with a passion....

Just thought I'd throw that out there...lol
Salome

Mungojerrie_rt wrote:
Film almost never lives up to the stage show. So a direct comparison is not really fair. Nothing compares with live theatre.

And because I can't let this go unsaid. There are many people in Cats more talented than Ken Page and John Mills. Not that either of them aren't fantastic, but all of the triple treat performers like Rosemarie Ford, John Partridge, Aeva May and Jo Gibb by far make the show. They all play better characters too.


wow you are either totally joking or deluded.

do you even know who the hel Sir John Mills was????? He was far more talented than the rest of that cast put together.
FlamingGiraffes

Thank you Salome. Though, we now know where I stand with Ken Page... Still, that's not the point. The point is, yes the cast was talented, but certain people *cough*Mills*cough* were better.

Now, back onto the topic... Salome, you said that My Fair Lady was almost perfection, what keeps it from being perfect to you?
jcstar

Brock07 wrote:
JIJane wrote:
"I never said that John Mills was not good. I simply said that in a heavy dancing musical, someone who has one scene, which is half carried by another character, is outshone by those that can sing, dance and act, and have more important and larger parts to play."

You are still completely missing the point. Judi Dench stole the film Shakespeare in love and won the Oscar for 8 mins screen time. It's not about the amount of stage or screen time, it's about the quality which you portray and how you affect the audience. Spencer Tracey could do that with his back to the camera.


I love Judi Dench with a passion....


"And the Oscar for our favourite California Rasin look-a-like goes to.... Judi Dench."

Andy.
mezzo_soprano

Mungojerrie_rt wrote:


Evita - Very good. Who would have thought that Antonio Bandaras could sing.


I <3 Evita.

Other than that I liked Phantom (it was the first version I saw) and RENT (I like the cut songs but I understand why some were cut.)
Salome

MY FAIR LADY: the single greatest musical performance on screen..Sir Rex Harrison as higgins. te bet supporting cast of a film musical..Stan Holloway,Wilfred Hyde White,Gladys Cooper,Jeremy Brett,Mona Wshbourne,Theodore Bikel.
the direction is impeccibl by George Cukor,teh costumes by sir cecil are a delight.

theo ne thing that stops its perfection is audrey hepburn as the flower girl..she is excelent as the "lady' but her cockney is foreced and stagey and sh never convinces as a street person.
mezzo_soprano

I have had that movie sitting in my room for a year and havent watched it yet. I would watch it right now but I am out of town.
Mungojerrie_rt

Salome wrote:
theo ne thing that stops its perfection is audrey hepburn as the flower girl..she is excelent as the "lady' but her cockney is foreced and stagey and sh never convinces as a street person.

I reckon that Julie Andrews would have been better at it.

The best character in MFL was the Professor's mother. She was much more witty than the rest.
Salome

well Gladys Cooper was brilliant as Henry's mother. and got an Oscar nomination for her work.
Next to Rex Harrison I would say her's is the best perfromance in the film.
nabla

I love Audrey Hepburn in MFL, I just can't help but wonder what it would have been like with Julie Andrews (Julie Andrews = The Awesomeness)

My favourite movie musicals are probably Chicago, Hairspray and My Fair Lady.

I died a little watching the aweful adaptation of Phantom of the Opera
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