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| jcstar |
Best ALW cynic/antagonistI'm a big fan of the cynics/antagonists of ALW's shows.They always have great songs/melodies, and the writers are great at giving them words. I'm not really sure how to explain it... My favourites are: (in random order) Judas Iscariot Joe Gillis Che The Phantom The best has got to be a tie between Judas and Joe. Andy. |
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| GlamorousGriz |
Definately the ones you mentioned.
I know wht you're saying... it is kind of hard to explain I guess. It's kind of like saying that the bad guys are always the guys with the best songs... like Chauvelin in "Pimpernel"... and Javert in "Les Miz", even though Javert isn't really a bad guy... he's just.. the antagonist... |
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| RainbowJude |
Best ALW cynicical narrator
I think I know what you mean, but I'm not sure you mean "antagonists" in the general sense of the word. I think you mean the characters that take the role of the cynical narrator/commentator, like Judas, Joe and Ché. And all three are great characters, although there naturally are differences in the roles that they play in each specific play. And, yes, in some way they do fulfil they role of the antagonist dramatically too. The Phantom doesn't really fit that profile for me, as there is no narrative storytelling conceit in POTO as there is in the shows from which the characters mentioned above are drawn. If there was, I'm sure the character that would fill that role would be the Persian, who is completely excluded from the ALW adaptation. He certainly fulfills a similar role in the LeRoux novel. Later days David |
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| Descartes |
Forgive my ignorance on all things Andrew, but who's Joe Gillis?
Des. |
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| RainbowJude |
The Norma Desmond Musical
Joe Gillis is the lead male role in Sunset Boulevard, Andrew Lloyd Webber's 1993 musical, with book by Christopher Hampton and lyrics by Hampton, Don Black and Amy Powers, which was based on the Billy Wilder film of the same name. Later days David |
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| Descartes |
Ah thank you. Although I do enjoy my Evita and JCS, I'm not too keen on Lord Lloyd Webber's more recent works.
Des. |
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| RainbowJude |
Sunset Boulevard
I think it's probably about the best of his post-Cats work and it certainly has better lyrics than any of his projects since then. Later days David |
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| jcstar |
Question about Joe Gillis...
In "Prologue/I Guess It Was 5 a.m." He says the following lines... "I had a contract down at Fox But I'd fallen fond of Darrel." Who is this Darrel he's talking about? Andy. |
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| Chevstriss |
I'd assume Zanuck. |
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| B3TA07 |
He says "Foul of Darrel." | ||||
| RainbowJude |
FOUL of DARRYL
It is indeed Darryl F. Zanuck, who was the vice-president of Twentieth Century Fox from the mid-thirties until the fifties. He returned to save Fox from financial ruin after Cleopatra in 1962 and remained there until he was forced out of his position in 1971 by the board and his own son. It is rumoured that Zanuck was the man behind that infamous rite-of-passage in the film industry, the casting couch. Later days David |
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| Master Thespian |
Antagonist? But isn't Joe the tragic hero of the story? | ||||
| RainbowJude |
Indeed...
Hence my earlier post in which I said that I wasn't sure that Andy/jcstar meant "antagonists" in the typical sense of the word. Later days David |
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| jcstar |
Thanks. NOW that line makes sense to me. It must be the way that Campbell sings it. Andy. |
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| Anno_Domini |
My favorite cunical character in an ALW would probably have to be Judas.
I like Che, but only if he's made to resemble Che Guevera |
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| All_For_Laura |
Judas and Sir Percival Glyde! | ||||
| liza_minelli |
Sir Percival Glyde and Che, ah, Che. <- I always do that whenever I say his name, I don't even mean to!! It's so annoying!! Anyways.. 
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