ilovemusicals
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Beauty and beast in community theatres...how possible?I absolutely am in love with this musical and story...i know all the songs inside out and i want nothing more in my singing career then to be able to take part in this musical. But my problem is, i live in a town of about 16,000 people, and the only theatre is a pretty small community theatre. I am 17, and dont drive so i cant really go looking in neighboring towns or cities for auditions for BATB. I want to put a suggestion in the community theartre to do this play, but i want to know from all of you who have acted/directed etc in this. How diffifult is it to put on?? How much funds does it need? How much stage room and fancy props does it need?
The comminity theatre here has done plays like Fiddler on the roof, the boyfriend, Annie, the music man, and many others, and they have done very well with the funds and space we had.
Your feedback would be AWESOME!! 
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MademoiselleMusicalsDeux
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Hey
I have the same problem so can't really help! I want to take part in B&TB and Little Shop of Horrors!
Research is all I can suggest really
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ConverseSneaker
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16,000 people?  That's more people than live in my town and another town about the same size combined!
| Quote: | | How diffifult is it to put on?? How much funds does it need? How much stage room and fancy props does it need? |
It is rather difficult in terms of money, set, costumes and can be in choreographing(although it can be done with simple steps, depends on the director's descion.)
Money....you need to pay for the rights, and then costuming just for Potts, Chip, Lumiere, Cogs, Madame, and Babette I think is a thousand dollars, but you can make the costumes yourself. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ORDERING FROM thecostumer.com, they completely ripped us off and charged a thousand more than orginally ordered even though they do have nice costumes. The more stage room you have, the better, but my company pulled it off with an extremely small stage, so it is possible. Sets...in reality the minimal is two, the village and the castle. My production used one main set piece(a two story castle set used for both sets) and all we changed was the backdrop and a middle section we cut out of the main set piece and changed it to show either a fountain or a fireplace. There are several special effects, but it can all be simplified with smoke, flashing lights, and creative ideas and thinking. Good Luck!
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pish123c
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Unless you've got a huge budget with gorgeous sets and costumes the show is mediocre.
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Bookworm
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Considering the sets:
You can probably get a roll-around set for the castle/village. Get a rolling set piece for Belle's house. Roll on tavern/outside.
Considering the costumes:
Probably around 1,000 dollars.. don't make your own costumes unless you have amazing artistic people there.
The rights:
pretty expensive.
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musikal_geek
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The rights were twelve grand when I was in it two years ago.
EDIT: It was $20000, not twelve.
And, trust me, with a fair amount of cash and the right people on board, the show is fantastic. Here's a picture from our children's theatre production:
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ConverseSneaker
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Of course, now that it is off broadway, the right may be cheaper than 12 grand
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TylerMcMahon
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Re: Beauty and beast in community theatres...how possible? | ilovemusicals wrote: | I absolutely am in love with this musical and story...i know all the songs inside out and i want nothing more in my singing career then to be able to take part in this musical. But my problem is, i live in a town of about 16,000 people, and the only theatre is a pretty small community theatre. I am 17, and dont drive so i cant really go looking in neighboring towns or cities for auditions for BATB. I want to put a suggestion in the community theartre to do this play, but i want to know from all of you who have acted/directed etc in this. How diffifult is it to put on?? How much funds does it need? How much stage room and fancy props does it need?
The comminity theatre here has done plays like Fiddler on the roof, the boyfriend, Annie, the music man, and many others, and they have done very well with the funds and space we had.
Your feedback would be AWESOME!! |
It's pretty simple.....
If your community can raise the budget for the show they will get in back in at least 2 fold. I have done it twice and one theatre had a 50,000.00 budget on the show and got it back 4 fold and the other got theatre got a huge profit. It's a show that sells no matter where you are if you can manage to put it on.
And both times i was in it the rights were never 12 grand.
i was in the first community theatre production in Illinois and they were like 7 or 8 grand and then in the fall of 2006 they were a little over 5 grand...but it all depends on How many performances? How mant Seats in the theatre? How much you are going to charge for admission? and If you're thatre is non-profit or not?
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ConverseSneaker
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This show is a huge seller, so you will get a big audience.
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wicked_boy
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O / T, how much are shows from MTI and Tamswitmark to get the rights for?
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TylerMcMahon
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| wicked_boy wrote: | | O / T, how much are shows from MTI and Tamswitmark to get the rights for? |
Depends on
How new the show is?
How Popular the show is?
How many performances you are going to do?
How many seats in the theatre?
How much tickets are?
What kind of theatre you are?
i.e. Non-Profit Community Theatre, a Church, A School, Reginal, Semi=Professional, Broadway, Off-Broadway, Touring Company
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musikal_geek
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We're a non-profit children's theatre, and we did 16 performances - $12000.
EDIT: $20000.
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TylerMcMahon
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| musikal_geek wrote: | | We're a non-profit children's theatre, and we did 16 performances - $12000. |
How many seats?
How much were tickets?
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wicked_boy
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Am I the only person who finds $1200 expensive for two weeks worth of show for a company that don't even make profit?
How do small companies like that even get the funding?
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musikal_geek
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| TylerMcMahon wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | | We're a non-profit children's theatre, and we did 16 performances - $12000. |
How many seats?
How much were tickets? |
*is HORRIBLE at math*
The rights were twelve thousand dollars.... that's $12000, right?? 
Anyways... tickets were $13 for children/seniors, and adults were $18. We hold 509 people in the auditorium, and we were completely sold out every night.
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Bookworm
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| musikal_geek wrote: | | TylerMcMahon wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | | We're a non-profit children's theatre, and we did 16 performances - $12000. |
How many seats?
How much were tickets? |
*is HORRIBLE at math*
The rights were twelve thousand dollars.... that's $12000, right??
Anyways... tickets were $13 for children/seniors, and adults were $18. We hold 509 people in the auditorium, and we were completely sold out every night. |
I'm going to ASSUME tickets were $13 all the time, although adults attended.. I'm not really wanting to have to assume "half were adults" or something.
Which means you made $105,872.. but if we subtract 12,000 (the rights) from that we get your net profit.. which is still $93,872. Impressive!
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musikal_geek
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| Bookworm wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | | TylerMcMahon wrote: | | musikal_geek wrote: | | We're a non-profit children's theatre, and we did 16 performances - $12000. |
How many seats?
How much were tickets? |
*is HORRIBLE at math*
The rights were twelve thousand dollars.... that's $12000, right??
Anyways... tickets were $13 for children/seniors, and adults were $18. We hold 509 people in the auditorium, and we were completely sold out every night. |
I'm going to ASSUME tickets were $13 all the time, although adults attended.. I'm not really wanting to have to assume "half were adults" or something.
Which means you made $105,872.. but if we subtract 12,000 (the rights) from that we get your net profit.. which is still $93,872. Impressive! |
Well, there's more than just that. We made much less than that when you put it into perspective - the sets and costumes were VERY costly, plus salaries for everyone...
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eXcessDrama
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/cough/rightswere$20000/cough/
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wicked_boy
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M_G If it's non profit, why were there salaries? I'm confused.
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DaddyDiesel
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^^^ you can be nonprofit but still have to pay Directors, Musicians, Art director so on...
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TylerMcMahon
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Yeah but you shouldn't. I've always thought community theatres should all be voulenteers excpet those outside sources used. Such as with my community theatre Lights and Sound. I'm ADing this winter and fully intend to give back my paycheck. I'm not ADing for the money nor would I direct for them money. If I'm the director I don't want a paycheck unless the actors are getting paid as well.
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musikal_geek
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| eXcessDrama wrote: | /cough/rightswere$20000/cough/
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Mmm... don't think so. I was talking with our director the other day, and I believe it was 12grand. I guess I could be wrong, though.
I'm amazed that JS is $9000. No one ever does it...
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ConverseSneaker
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JS?
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musikal_geek
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| ConverseSneaker wrote: | | JS? |
Just So 
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ilovemusicals
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Wow....some pretty heaving pricing...ye-ah
I dont know....i suppose it would take a good sized stage to really pull of a good performance.
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ConverseSneaker
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Ah, thanks Luc!
^I did it on a small stage. All Wardrobe, Cogs, Chip(in the box) and Potts had the right of way because there was literally no room for them backstage. And by small, I mean a tiny stage.
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Colonel_Pickering
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My community theatre did this show, it was in a theatre in the round, the stage had seats on all four of its sides. I saw pictures of the costumes and it was exactly like the broadway production. Tickets were around 25 bucks and the show played for a month.
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DaddyDiesel
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| TylerMcMahon wrote: | | Yeah but you shouldn't. I've always thought community theatres should all be voulenteers excpet those outside sources used. Such as with my community theatre Lights and Sound. I'm ADing this winter and fully intend to give back my paycheck. I'm not ADing for the money nor would I direct for them money. If I'm the director I don't want a paycheck unless the actors are getting paid as well. |
It depends on the company. If it is a small 2 show a year community theatre then yes I agree with you. BUt if the community theatre is putting on 3 - 8 shows a year (like most of the ones in my area) then no.
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Brigantine
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Well, to get back to the question....
Like everyone else has said, it depends. Depends on a lot, but as said before too, you will recoup the money you put into it. Set and costumes and price of both depends on who you have available to work on them. If you don't have a lot of money AND don't have talented creative people to build and paint the set, then it's going to look tacky and bad. And if you have a moderate costume budget but lots of talented seamstresses with lots of time on their hands, the costumes can be really good. I agree- don't rent them. At least not from a warehouse costume co. you can always look online and see if there any any theaters in your state who have done the show recently and if they made their costumes, you might be able to rent from them ( at least some of the more difficult ones, like Mrs. Potts, Lumier, Cogsworth, Wardrobe, etc.). The theater I used to work with did that all the time, would rent to other theaters and schools.
The "magic" part of the show can be as elaborate or as simple as you want, I've seen it both ways. You don't necessarily have to have fireballs and harnesses to have magic. Creative lighting and props and casting and costumes can do just as well, imo. Flashpots don't hurt either. 
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