spyk_
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A sorry excuse for a musical...This shouldn't even be classed as a proffesional musical. It's appauling. The lyrics are embarrasing and the melodies are repeated thousands of times. This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful.
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Pounce
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Re: A sorry excuse for a musical... | spyk_ wrote: | | This shouldn't even be classed as a proffesional musical. It's appauling. The lyrics are embarrasing and the melodies are repeated thousands of times. This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful. |
It's been fairly successful produced as a professional musical. Even Les Miz has its melodies frequently repeated throughout the show. I also think the lyrics are fine.
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Aimee
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If people want to pay others to perform it then hey... why not?
That's the only thing that classes it as 'profesional', not the quality of the show itself.
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jcstar
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I've been in it (see my signature) and it was fun. The children were amazing.
It's a fun show to do if you have the right people. The right director always helps with this show. The production I was in had a director who had never directed a show in his life. That made the show look and feel schitzoprenic.
Andy.
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RyanJ
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I love Joseph. Not a big fan of ALW, but this show is definitely bearable 
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Beagle On Stage
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Re: A sorry excuse for a musical... | Pounce wrote: | | spyk_ wrote: | | This shouldn't even be classed as a proffesional musical. It's appauling. The lyrics are embarrasing and the melodies are repeated thousands of times. This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful. |
It's been fairly successful produced as a professional musical. Even Les Miz has its melodies frequently repeated throughout the show. I also think the lyrics are fine. |
I was going to say. Because if we're going to discount all shows that have repetitive melodies and sometimes-mediocre lyrics, most recently popular shows are also forbidden.
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QuaxoCoricopat
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| Quote: | | This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful. |
That's exactly why it was created. It was created for an elementary school by Webber and Rice....
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spyk_
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| QuaxoCoricopat wrote: | | That's exactly why it was created. It was created for an elementary school by Webber and Rice.... |
Then why did it reach Broadway/West End?
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Pounce
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| spyk_ wrote: | | QuaxoCoricopat wrote: | | That's exactly why it was created. It was created for an elementary school by Webber and Rice.... |
Then why did it reach Broadway/West End? |
Its first incarnation was a 20 minute show. After JCS, Lloyd Webber and Rice went back to Joseph and turned it into a full production.
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mantarnia
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Re: A sorry excuse for a musical... | Beagle On Stage wrote: | | Pounce wrote: | | spyk_ wrote: | | This shouldn't even be classed as a proffesional musical. It's appauling. The lyrics are embarrasing and the melodies are repeated thousands of times. This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful. |
It's been fairly successful produced as a professional musical. Even Les Miz has its melodies frequently repeated throughout the show. I also think the lyrics are fine. |
I was going to say. Because if we're going to discount all shows that have repetitive melodies and sometimes-mediocre lyrics, most recently popular shows are also forbidden. |
I can not think of so musch as one show ever that has not got at least one song either reprised or repeated.
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jcstar
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Reprise and repeat mean the same thing. 
Anyway, so what?
Andy.
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Mademoiselle Lanoire
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It's a fun, entertaining show. I've seen it twice-once with the North American tour and once at a local community theatre. Both times it was good.
And I don't exactly think it's ALW's most repetitive show.
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mantarnia
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| jcstar wrote: | Reprise and repeat mean the same thing.
Anyway, so what?
Andy. |
Wrong a Reprise may not be exactly the same. For instance in ballet often pieces listed as reprises are completle different to the dance they follow. A repeat is always the same
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liza_minelli
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| jcstar wrote: | I've been in it (see my signature) and it was fun. The children were amazing.
It's a fun show to do if you have the right people. The right director always helps with this show. The production I was in had a director who had never directed a show in his life. That made the show look and feel schitzoprenic.
Andy. |
Exactly the same. The director was awful + made everyone sit at the back of the stage during performances. Since most of the cast were about 10 it was really off-putting to have people yawning at you out of the corner of your eyes during your solo (I played the baker + soloist in Benjamin's calypso).
| spyk_ wrote: | | This shouldn't even be classed as a proffesional musical. It's appauling. The lyrics are embarrasing and the melodies are repeated thousands of times. This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful. |
What were you thinking to come into a forum full of ALW + Joseph fans? In my opinion, your views aren't completely wrong, but it's really disrespectful to say this to a bunch of people who love the show! *!*Tuts*!*
Liza xx
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TR_Wolf
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I didnt think it was particularly good aside one or two catchy tunes.
HOWEVER...
I adored Pharoah's entrance and song. That was the highlight of the show for me, I loved it!
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Luc
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Re: A sorry excuse for a musical... | spyk_ wrote: | | the melodies are repeated thousands of times. |
Look at RENT. Christmas Bells, Will I?, and a whole bunch of other songs are used well more than three times. And look where Rent is now..... there's nothing wrong with repeating the melody. In fact, sometimes I think that it adds impact.
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DaddyDiesel
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Re: A sorry excuse for a musical... | musikal_geek wrote: | | spyk_ wrote: | | the melodies are repeated thousands of times. |
Look at RENT. Christmas Bells, Will I?, and a whole bunch of other songs are used well more than three times. And look where Rent is now..... there's nothing wrong with repeating the melody. In fact, sometimes I think that it adds impact. |
I love reoccuring themes and melodies. Look at POTO you hear the same melodies over and over again. I think when you have these "repeated melodies thousands of times" it helps relate to the charactor. After a while you relate a melody as a charactors theme. Example being the Phantom in POTO and "Music of the Night". He sings it quite a few times, and it adds so much to his charactor.
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Christine_Magdalene_Peron
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Dear if you remember Jospeh is done for kids and it doesnt mean that kid`s plays aren`t good.
and if you think the music is repetitive, that`s obvius because in a musical there`s a story and where is a story a musical intention must be followed so its logic that music is repetitive.
bye
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jcstar
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Plus, if you have too many songs and things are NOT repeated, peoplke would be so confused and walk out saying "What the Hell was that?"
JCS is a prime example. Heaven On Their Minds and Gethsemane are repeated a few time in the show.
WEST SIDE STORY has a few repeated sections in it. You couldn't have the Quintete without a reprise of "Tonight" in the middle.
SOUND OF MUSIC has a few repeats.
So does PHANTOM, EVITA, KING AND I, STARLIGHT, SOUTH PACIFIC, etc, etc, etc.
Andy.
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thatgirl
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well i've just performed it with a brilliant director and a brilliant cast and we've had some amazing feedback. i love this musical and will always look upon it fondly because of the memories it has given me.
i do agree that it is disrespectful to come into this forum when you have no interest in this musical though. you obviously meant to cause a fuss and that says more about you than it does about us.
you are welcome to your opinion of course, but please be more sensitive next time xxx
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MsDivaKate
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Most musicals and operas and anything of that nature have repetition of musical themes. They represent various characters or moods or whatever the composer wants them to convey.
To base this as one of your reasons for disliking a show is completely assanine, as you could name any show you DO like and people would point out the repetition of themes.
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Eponine93
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I have to agree with disliking this show. However, its because I feel the music, with the exception of "Close Every Door" isn't really deep or beautiful. The repitions have nothing to do with it. Furthermore, I respect the opinions of those who enjoy the show. Some people get caught up in its fun mood and enjoy it. Others may not. Its an aquired taste of musical. The main reason I dislike it is that I had a rather unpleasant time in a production of it (because its all music, it can be vocal suicide if you're coming off a break from musicals.)
Although I must admit, the recordings don't do it justice. The 1982 Broadway recording has me banging my head against a wall in agony.
And on the subject of repeated melodies, listen carefully to some of the music, especially "Jacob Comes to Egypt." ALW copies himself. All I can say is.... "Jesus Crist Superstar, are you in Joseph too?"
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TheatreGirl
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personally, i love this production. it was the first musical i was ever in, the first production on a stage. i met my best friend while being in it. it is filled with some of the best memories of me entire life. but, it's not just because i was in it that i love it so much. it's silly and fun, which made me love it ever since my mom introduced it to me when i was like, two. yeah they repeat songs, every show does. but i love the fact that each song (not including the reprises), has a different style to it. it makes the show fun and interesting for the audition to watch. let's just say that when we did the show, we had a full house every night and a standing ovation or two. that didn't happen with pirates of penzance or even west side story. it's a musical worth seeing and being in.
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Beagle On Stage
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| Eponine93 wrote: | | Although I must admit, the recordings don't do it justice. |
Amen to that.
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BroadwayBeast
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I think you're high if you dont like this show. I played Joseph a few years back and it was one of my fav shows i have been in. I think you should rethink what you said.
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Salome
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I must be high then. 
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star2ballie
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shane...you played joseph? where?
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Salome
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oooohhhh... Allie calls him out!!! 
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Ep-Griz-Reno
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it's by NO means the BEST MUSICAL EVER...but seriously, it's so much fun to be in-->I ADORED my cast so much...especially since I commuted to be in it and I just met them all and they became my family so fast! It's a big bonding show...sort of like Les Mis, but with just pure fun and energy rather than deep emotion...oh les mis i miss you...lol
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Beagle On Stage
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Oh but it CAN have deep emotion, too, if only someone would produce it with the treatment it deserves.
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Eponine93
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| Quote: | | Oh but it CAN have deep emotion, too, if only someone would produce it with the treatment it deserves |
Exactly. I'm not the biggest Joseph fan but I feel like it could be a good show if it wasn't so overdone. I don't see why kids theatres like to do it and over do it so much. And I am involved in a lot of youth theatres, so I should be able to figure it out! Joseph needs to have a good production somewhere. Even the Broadway productions and recordings treat it terribly.
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Glinda Upland
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Re: A sorry excuse for a musical... | spyk_ wrote: | | This shouldn't even be classed as a proffesional musical. It's appauling. The lyrics are embarrasing and the melodies are repeated thousands of times. This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful. |
You know, in musicals it is very common to find the composer repeat melodies throughout the show. I think the show's lyrics were fine. What don't you like about them?
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Luc
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| BroadwayBeast wrote: | | I played Joseph a few years back and it was one of my fav shows i have been in. |
How come you didn't put it in your signature? You seem to have your favorite roles in there.
It mustn't have been THAT much fun, then.
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BroadwayBeast
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Well 1st of all i didnt get called out on anything. I know the shows i perform in, and just because Allie doesnt see the show doesnt mean i wasnt in it. And i added some Joseph pics to my Signature, the reason they werent up there before was because i didnt know which file on my comp. it was in. So get off my fricking back.
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Salome
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Re: A sorry excuse for a musical... | Glinda Upland wrote: | | spyk_ wrote: | | This shouldn't even be classed as a proffesional musical. It's appauling. The lyrics are embarrasing and the melodies are repeated thousands of times. This should only be performed by school children and youth theatres. Even then, it's still awful. |
You know, in musicals it is very common to find the composer repeat melodies throughout the show. I think the show's lyrics were fine. What don't you like about them? |
its common to do it for a purpose...but webber does it out of laziness.
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jcstar
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Would you speak that way in the presence of the composer?
Andy.
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The Very Angry Woman
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| BroadwayBeast wrote: | | And i added some Joseph pics to my Signature |
...which is, like, the size of David Hasselhoff's ego.
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Salome
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| jcstar wrote: | Would you speak that way in the presence of the composer?
Andy. |
If i was asked my opinion..yes.
if not. no. I have some tact. LOL
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Luc
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| The Very Angry Woman wrote: | | BroadwayBeast wrote: | | And i added some Joseph pics to my Signature |
...which is, like, the size of David Hasselhoff's ego. |
I love you.
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Jenem
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Joseph will always have a special place in my heart, becuase it was the first musical I saw (yeah...Donny Osmand!).
My family has always been pretty poor and when my grade 3 class decided to go see it, my parents flat-out said NO. After listening to the album for months beforehand, I was already hooked, and begged and begged my parents for an entire month to go. So, my parents agreed to pay on the grounds that I would wash the dishes for 6 months.
Seeing it was such a magical experience, and worth every dirty dish! It will forever be my guilty pleasure. I don't care what anyone says...
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jcstar
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JOSEPH is actually my guilty pleasure when it comes to listening to cast albums.
Andy.
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lovesingin
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i love how ppl come into a musicals forum just to talk trash about it
not
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lilprima2b
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I'm just about to finish up a run of Joseph -- only four shows left -- and I can't say it's the most fun I've ever had in a show. It's definitely been a challenge, and we had an amazing choreographer (who is also in the show), but it's just... man, it's a BAD show. And I didn't get superclose to the cast because I'm the youngest of the adults (seventeen with a bunch of twentysomethings and older) and they're mostly Mormon and... yeah. It's a fun show and it's really helped me grow as a performer and my stamina has increased greatly (and I can BELT now)... but it's painful. haha
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everdancing
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Aww, I LOVE this show! It's one of my favorites! It's fun, and energetic and even little kids can get into it! Plus it's one of the first things I ever saw-No not on Broadway, although I bet the production I saw was better....cept maybe for costumes....anyway-It's just a very fun, clean, and happy show! And I happen to love the music! It's so much fun!
Ok, I'm done now because I'm about to fall asleep and can't think quite clearly to describe the show....tehe.
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Dvarg
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| liza_minelli wrote: | | What were you thinking to come into a forum full of ALW + Joseph fans? In my opinion, your views aren't completely wrong, but it's really disrespectful to say this to a bunch of people who love the show! |
Why do you think that? The purpose of thses forums is to discuss shows, not to uniformly praise them uncritically...
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MG
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Where Joseph isn't my favorite show of all time, I really do think its a lot of fun to watch (well... the movie anyway, I've never been it in nor have I seen it live... yet), the music is catchy and definately a lot of fun, even if you're not a kid. It's not incredible or difficult or completely new and revolutionary for the stage, but it's a fun way to tell a story, I think, and it definately gets its credit with me.
I can see where you're coming from, though. There are points when my mind switches to JCS, such as when they're going through the brothers for who stole the golden cup, but I still think it's a fun show and worth its salt.
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lovesinging
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Repeated lyrics can also set the mood. For example, in PotO(again) music of the night is often used as a distressing piece sang by the phantom.
Ok, bad example. But I try. 
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That High Soprano
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I loved the Musical! I think it's much better than having Legally Blonde as a musical!
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kiki26
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I adore this musical! I have seen it 3 times now, once in the west end and twice on tour. It is light hearted and very fun and really just makes you smile. If you watch people leaving the theatre, you have fans of all ages.
I do agree that the lyrics are perhaps not the most inventive but like the entire musical, they're fun. They get the story across and add some humour.
Joseph is the first musical that a lot of people see. Its a musical that children can get a small role in and its the first musical that lots of people see....it encourages young people to enjoy musical theatre and for that reason, and the fact i love the music and everything about the show, i think it deserves all the popularity it has. 
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marlyly
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I saw this a couple weeks back in the West End. What can I say, it's fun, Lee Mead done super as Joseph, but it didn't exactly leave me feeling any special emotion afterwards, and didn't occupy my mind days later. It's enjoyable to watch, I'll give it that, but the music and songs are just that - fun. Close Every Door is the obvious exception, and you can easily get caught up in the performance but if I'm going to spend money to go sit in a theatre I want to see something with a bit more substance to it, which Joseph didn't really supply. Lee Mead as Joseph easily was the best part of the show and I don't think I'd see it again without him.
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Marieke
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I saw it a couple of weeks ago to and I loved it. I might not be the best musical ever written, but it had me grinning from beginning to end. It was just great fun and I had a lovely evening. The cast was good, they really enjoyed the show, and Lee Mead is a great Joseph! I'm really looking forward to seeing the show again in January!
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