MaryMag
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20 minutes of singing pirate queen and i have vocal nodesMan alive. Boublil and Schonberg did not write with any respect to the human voice. Chest voice has a tendency to kick in on open vowels and head on closed vowels, and they have me belting "ee" on an E.
Man a-fukking-live. What happened to the composers of the good old yellow 24 Italian Art Songs book? Our voices would be in tip top shape if they fed on that, instead of on this crap.
Seriously. Jesus Mary and Joseph. I am vocally destroyed.
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jesuiscommejesuis
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Every time I walk in the front door for my voice lesson, the bitch right before me is finishing out one of those 24 songs and arias in her nasty little hollow voice. It makes me want to kill somebody.
But yeah, sucks about Pirate Queen. Then again, I cant say that Ive ever heard anything good about Pirate Queen in the first place... 
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MaryMag
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| jesuiscommejesuis wrote: | | Every time I walk in the front door for my voice lesson, the bitch right before me is finishing out one of those 24 songs and arias in her nasty little hollow voice. It makes me want to kill somebody. |
Why does it make you want to kill someone? Cuz she has a small voice? We each got our vocal issues. I thought I was hot shitt forever cuz I had a crisp loud voice, but it wobbled as bad as... as all the monster wobble vibratos on any cast recording of a Boublil and Schonberg musical.
She's starting the right way, I bet. Starting small and just stretching little by little and adding piece by piece. Instead of trying too hard and giving yourself all sorts of problems that end up forcing you to see a vocal therapist, damn near. (The second is me.)
| jesuiscommejesuis wrote: | | But yeah, sucks about Pirate Queen. Then again, I cant say that Ive ever heard anything good about Pirate Queen in the first place... . |
Have you looked at the score? It is almost mindnumbingly simple musically and laughably pretentious lyrically. You'd never believe Les Miz came out of these people. I adore Les Miz. I laugh at Pirate Queen. And then cry a little. Cuz God knows we all wanted another Les Miz.
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Trevor reincarnate
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I STILL stand by my opinion that Pirate Queen is great. No Les Mis... but I still love the heck out of it.
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Bianca.
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I love all your topics, MM.
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jesuiscommejesuis
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Not because of her voice, I just am so sick of that book. I know all 24 by heart, every classical audition here requires such and such a voice part to memorize and present a few at auditions.
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Kiwi
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| Trevor reincarnate wrote: | | I STILL stand by my opinion that Pirate Queen is great. No Les Mis... but I still love the heck out of it. |
Agreed. I like the music quite a lot, but it's not life-changing or anything.
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MaryMag
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| Trevor reincarnate wrote: | | I STILL stand by my opinion that Pirate Queen is great. No Les Mis... but I still love the heck out of it. |
I think on first listen it's very good. But when I sat down with the sheet music and actually tried to pick out some cuts for an audition song, I realized how non-spectacular it is. It's just quarter notes. One 8 count pattern repeated over and over again, really simple harmonies.
I read some review on amazon that used the phrase "unearned emotion." I think that's very fitting. It's epic ballad after epic ballad. It doesn't have highs and lows. Just poor Stephanie Block being forced to sing angrily at men about discrimination for 3 hours.
That one song in gaelic is STUNNING though.
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dcrowley
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I just think Boublil and Schonberg like to harm the singer's voice... I mean, "I Dreamed a Dream does the same thing...
"and still I dream he'll come to mEEEEEEE... that we will live the years together.
but there are dreams that can not BEEEEE and there are storms we can not weather...
So Different now from what it SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMED."
When I sand that song for a charity event, my voice teacher had a wonderful time trying to help me belt those parts without doing harm to myself.
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MaryMag
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| dcrowley wrote: | I just think Boublil and Schonberg like to harm the singer's voice... I mean, "I Dreamed a Dream does the same thing...
"and still I dream he'll come to mEEEEEEE... that we will live the years together.
but there are dreams that can not BEEEEE and there are storms we can not weather...
So Different now from what it SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMED."
When I sand that song for a charity event, my voice teacher had a wonderful time trying to help me belt those parts without doing harm to myself. |
Was Les Mis originally written in French? Maybe it's the translators fault.
I am doing some major modification to the cut of Woman I'm auditioning with. I first tried to see if I could fudge some of the vowels - for example, turning stORm into stARm. That one worked. But I couldn't do anything with 'be'. So I'm just singing a different note. Once I get up to Ds and Es I have to do a lot of vowel modification to stay purely belting and not try to mix.
MaryMag is totally growing old and saying goodbye to her belt... she has either recently decided belting is ugly or she has recently discovered her own belt has always been ugly... either way, I'm gonna go the route of Celine in her old age and start mixing everything.
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kozafluitmusique
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Awww...that stinks MaryMag.
can anyone tell when they have vocal nodes? How do you know?
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lakmé
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Your voice teacher sends you to the ENT.
Well, that's what happened for me anyway. 
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MaryMag
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| kozafluitmusique wrote: | Awww...that stinks MaryMag.
can anyone tell when they have vocal nodes? How do you know? |
i am employing hyperbole. I don't actually have vocal nodes. I was just honestly in pain after a very short period of singing that music.
lakme, did you actually have vocal nodes?
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Quique
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| MaryMag wrote: | Was Les Mis originally written in French? Maybe it's the translators fault.
MaryMag is totally growing old and saying goodbye to her belt... she has either recently decided belting is ugly or she has recently discovered her own belt has always been ugly... either way, I'm gonna go the route of Celine in her old age and start mixing everything. |
Yes. Les Mis was first written in French. Original lyrics by Boublil, then translated by Herbert Kretzmer. Even worse, it was translated in record time at the last minute during rehearsals for the original London production. Not that they're awful as they are, but I bet they would've been better had there been more time.
Poor MaryMags. =( I hope your voice isn't damaged too badly. I'm not familiar with Pirate Queen yet, believe it or not. But from the few bits I've heard, it doesn't really appeal to me. And yeah, very belty. Hope your chords aren't like raw meat yet! lol.
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lakmé
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| MaryMag wrote: | | kozafluitmusique wrote: | Awww...that stinks MaryMag.
can anyone tell when they have vocal nodes? How do you know? |
i am employing hyperbole. I don't actually have vocal nodes. I was just honestly in pain after a very short period of singing that music.
lakme, did you actually have vocal nodes? |
Not fully developed ones (they weren't calcified or anything like that), and they didn't require surgery. I was 17...I had to go on a solid month of complete vocal rest (no talking, nothing), had to give up the lead in the spring musical (my senior year) and singing in All-State choir.
I pretty much thought my life was over at that point.
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Cake_in_Song
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I've never mastered a belt voice. It just feels so uncomfortable and ugly for me to sing that way. I will always be singing classically. I may be able to get a bit of a wispy pop voice, but no belt. I just sound like I'm trying to shout.
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ilovebway
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I saw when Pirate Queen was on The View. I thought 'Woman' was beautiful.
I haven't really heard much of its other music, though.
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MaryMag
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| ilovebway wrote: | I saw when Pirate Queen was on The View. I thought 'Woman' was beautiful.
I haven't really heard much of its other music, though. |
I watched that clip today. I wanted to see if Block's voice pinched on the E or if it was just the particular recording I'd heard. It does! she's a fantastic singer but the voice just sounds different belting up there, i think. I noticed that she was making a particularly angst-y face when she hit that high note. I don't think it's a coincidence that she makes that acting choice in that particular spot!
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ilovebway
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| MaryMag wrote: | | ilovebway wrote: | I saw when Pirate Queen was on The View. I thought 'Woman' was beautiful.
I haven't really heard much of its other music, though. |
I watched that clip today. I wanted to see if Block's voice pinched on the E or if it was just the particular recording I'd heard. It does! she's a fantastic singer but the voice just sounds different belting up there, i think. I noticed that she was making a particularly angst-y face when she hit that high note. I don't think it's a coincidence that she makes that acting choice in that particular spot! |
What word does the belted E come in at?
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wicked_diva
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I had nodes when I was 12, due to a huge cough I had for over a year. I was doing The Wiz at the time, and I was supposed to be a pit singer, as well as Aunt Em and an emerald city citizen. They made me stop being a pit singer, and they took down my solo song a step or two. And I had to learn not to cough, and I think I talked a lot less. They went away within a month or so.
As far as "Woman" goes, that's one of the songs I've added to my rep this semester, but I don't belt. I have an extremely strong mix, and I really think that song works just fine when mixed the whole way through.
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MaryMag
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| ilovebway wrote: | | MaryMag wrote: | | ilovebway wrote: | I saw when Pirate Queen was on The View. I thought 'Woman' was beautiful.
I haven't really heard much of its other music, though. |
I watched that clip today. I wanted to see if Block's voice pinched on the E or if it was just the particular recording I'd heard. It does! she's a fantastic singer but the voice just sounds different belting up there, i think. I noticed that she was making a particularly angst-y face when she hit that high note. I don't think it's a coincidence that she makes that acting choice in that particular spot! |
What word does the belted E come in at? |
"not STAY-ay below." The first part of stay is an E and slides down to a D for the second part.
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